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#41 raradawg

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 06:55 PM

Seeing the i7 940s and 965s are dissapearing... you could change that Insanity rig with a 975?

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Posted 28 June 2009 - 07:50 AM

hey dasa,

Im jsut about to start getting parts for my pc build. Just thought id look into atomic and see what people were recommending and came upon your thread.

Any particular reason you rate patriot memory over the rest? namely corsair?


Just though i'd add that they have a life time warranty. Not sure if Corsair does but i know patriot does (and they have cool heat sinks).

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 12:51 PM

added a few more links a while back and just added a new amd build which looks like decent value to me

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CPU AMD Phenom II X2 Dual Core 550 3.1GHz 7MB $138 - OR - Phenom II X3 Triple Core 720 2.8GHz 6MB $188
MB GA-MA770T-UD3P $126
RAM GSkill G.Skill Trident 4GB Kit (2GB X 2) DDR3 1600 F3-12800CL8D-4GBTD 8-8-8 $101
HDD 320g 16m 7200 sata $63
CASE\PSU Antec NSK6580 $158
TOTAL $586-636+gpu

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 01:20 PM

You can check out the builds I wrote on my blog too. http://www.vitocassi...om/archives/235

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 01:45 PM

added a few more links a while back and just added a new amd build which looks like decent value to me

Low Budget gamer 2
CPU AMD Phenom II X2 Dual Core 550 3.1GHz 7MB $138 - OR - Phenom II X3 Triple Core 720 2.8GHz 6MB $188
MB GA-MA770T-UD3P $126
RAM GSkill G.Skill Trident 4GB Kit (2GB X 2) DDR3 1600 F3-12800CL8D-4GBTD 8-8-8 $101
HDD 320g 16m 7200 sata $63
CASE\PSU Antec NSK6580 $158
TOTAL $586-636+gpu


Yeah those are a very viable alternative to Intel - and with that setup you'll likely have much more of an upgrade path than with 775.
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Posted 13 July 2009 - 02:20 PM

thanks for the link .:Cyb3rGlitch:. looks good shame 4g ram cant be fit into the sub $600 build and i find it amusing that the $2000 build has potential to be faster than the $2500 build but its all good i would probably try to squeeze these part into the last build Scythe Mugen 2 $79 GSKILL G.Skill PI 8-8-21 Tri Channel 6GB Kit (3 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 PC-12800 $145 HD4890 OC 900mhz 1000mhz $285 x3 Corsair HX-750 $245 sapphire 4890 vaporx HD4890 Vapor-X, 870Mhz 1050Mhz toxic 960Mhz 1050Mhz is worth a look to as it seems to be much quieter than the stock cooling while beeing cooler to but then its ~$330-370 vs ~$280 still a good option for someone who wants low noise though philo-sofa thanks for the feedback im not as familiar with amd gear as i would like nowdays

Edited by Dasa, 13 July 2009 - 02:49 PM.

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 11:32 AM

Suggestion for HDD's - the Seagate 7200.12's seem to be materially faster than the WD Blacks and are also significantly cheaper: $142 - $150 for the 1TB WD vs $119 - $125 for the Seagate.

There aren't all that many reviews out yet (one from Bit-Tech), however user testing seems to support their being the new top peforming 7200RPM platter drive. The 500GB and 1TB 7200.12's are based on 500GB platters.

Oh.. and no reports yet of them mysteriously bricking themselves ;)

Edited by philo-sofa, 17 July 2009 - 12:27 PM.

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 11:48 AM

Yeah, I heard they were trying to beat the Spinpoint F1... Just didn't know they were out yet.

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 01:46 PM

yer the seagate drive is a decent opion the larger platters give it better read speeds but bad firmware and i guess bad platter maturity gives them lower write times and bad seak times which dont mater as much for game load times as loading is just reading and seaking isnt much of a problem if the drive isnt fragmented the blacks extra cost is partialy the extra 2 years warranty to

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 01:59 PM

Hmm. The warranty thing is a bit fail - thought Seagates had a 5 yr :/ From the above article in spite of apparent bad seek times, the drive performs well in read ops, and in write operations, however does less well in simulataneous read & write. Still have a suspicion it's on top, but does seem to bear waiting for more in depth analysis before it could be declared faster than the black.

Edited by philo-sofa, 17 July 2009 - 02:05 PM.

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 03:27 PM

they did have a 5 year warranty but they scraped it when a lot of drives started to fail... but on the up side seagate drives are cheaper now

the 7200.12 dosent do as well in this rview but then the review was before release so firmware may have improved performance a bit
http://techreport.co...icles.x/16472/5

there is a detailed review here
http://www.xbitlabs....b-2tb-hdds.html


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change case\psu from antec nsk 430w on budget builds since its price keeps going up to
PSU 525W Enermax 82+ $125 -OR- Silverstone 500W St50F $75 (one is qulity other is cheap)
CASE Gigabyte GZ-X $50
and updated the prices

Edited by Dasa, 18 July 2009 - 01:03 PM.

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 12:52 PM

Just came back from a study camp for three days... Then I went on facebook... So I heard Corsair are building cases and cooling products.

http://www.facebook....=...LzYG&ref=mf

http://www.facebook....=...LzYG&ref=mf

Haha Dasa, you should plan to make a "Corsair Computer" XD

Its starting to appear on their website too...

I hope this comes around soon.

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 10:27 AM

expanded on the cooling side of things CPU hsf's Xigmatek HDT-S1283 $55 Cogage Thermalright TRUE Spirit $59 Scythe Mugen 2 $79 Fan's D12SM-12 Yate Loon 120x25mm 0.30A 1650RPM 70.5CFM 33dB $9.95 (great value) Yate Loon 140mm D14SL-12: 1000RPM 46.9CFM 25dBA .7Amp $12 Scythe S-FLEX 120mm 1600rpm / 63.7CFM / 28.0dBA / 0.20A. $26 (very quiet just a bit of a woosh from the air) Scythe S-FLEX 120mm 1900rpm / 75CFM /35.0dBA / 0.24A $26 Scythe gentle typhoon 1850RPM / 0.083A / 28dBA / 98 m│/h / 57CFM $27 (high pressure low power draw and low air-noise but has some bearing-noise) Scythe Ultra Kaze 120mm Fan 2000rpm / 87.63CFM / 32.91dBA $21 (powerful) Scythe Kaze Maru 140mm 1200rpm 61.3CFM at 26dBA $27 WATERCOOLING PARTS EK-Supreme LT - Acetal 775 1366 $57.05 Swiftech MCW60 VGA Waterblock $64 (depends on gpu and will need hs on mem\pwm but this is a flexible good value\performance block) Swiftech MCP355 Pump $99 XSPC Laing DDC Top/Reservoir Combo $49.95 (optional increases pump performance) Swiftech MCR320-QP Radiator $109 $329-379+ extras HEATKILLER« CPU Rev3.0 1366 $119 Swiftech MCW60 VGA Waterblock $64 (depends on gpu and will need hs on mem\pwm but this is a flexible good value\performance block) Swiftech MCP655-B 12V Pump $129 Primochill Typhoon III mcp655-res for dual loops $?New ~$312+ rads and extras some good radiators to chose from you will want two TFC Xchanger - Double Radiator 240 $109 Swiftech MCR320-QP Radiator $109 TFC Xchanger - Quad Radiator 480 $179 ThermoChill PA120.4 Radiator $199.50 ThermoChill PA140.3 Radiator$209.50 extra costs to the above barbs clamps fans 7/16" ID tubing works well as it is a snug fit over 1/2" barbs but is more flexible than 1/2" tube but both are ok if you dont get a res to save space\cost you will want a T piece

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 12:00 PM

Dasa, you might want to replace the Phenom II X2 550BE in the cheap section and replace that with the Athlon II X2 250. Basically, it's just a 550 without the unlocked multi and Lv3 cache. Should be a good cheap dual core and costs only $115 so that saves an extra $20.

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 12:17 PM

yer it may be worth putting in the 250 its a good cpu but the l3 cache dose help games performance a fair bit and $20 isnt much imo
http://www.xbitlabs....x2_9.html#sect0
hmm not that much difference and 250 is clocked lower i didnt realise the 250 had more l2 cache
what about the x3 is it worth it?

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 12:18 PM

Dasa, you might want to replace the Phenom II X2 550BE in the cheap section and replace that with the Athlon II X2 250. Basically, it's just a 550 without the unlocked multi and Lv3 cache. Should be a good cheap dual core and costs only $115 so that saves an extra $20.


It's an interesting difference... the loss of cache (and the 100MHz extra clock) does have a pretty signifcant (10% drop in FPS for gaming) effect on performance:

http://www.anandtech...aspx?p=97&p2=96

That having been said, the 250 runs a bit cooler, and although it has a locked multi in good hands it tends to overclock a tad further than the 550 (~3.9 vs ~3.8). For gaming I might still tend towards the 550 for the extra cache.
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Posted 27 July 2009 - 08:41 PM

yer it may be worth putting in the 250 its a good cpu but the l3 cache dose help games performance a fair bit and $20 isnt much imo
http://www.xbitlabs....x2_9.html#sect0
hmm not that much difference and 250 is clocked lower i didnt realise the 250 had more l2 cache
what about the x3 is it worth it?


But if you note the graphs, the difference between the Athlon II X2 and the Phenom II X2 is barely a few percent which isn't worth it unless you're truly gunning for maximum performance. Yeah, $20 doesn't sound like much but that difference for an extra shot of performance isn't worth it for this performance bracket. After all, who's going to be using a possible $500/600 max computer for anyway? That's the key of it. The Athlon II can do most multi-tasking so it sounds reasonable in comparison to the older 7750 or the 7850.

I would position the Phenom II to be at least a low budget gaming (in the case for the X2) to about mid range (using the X3).

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 09:59 PM

550 is ~9% faster in games and costs ~17% more so yer 250 is better value but there really isnt much in it

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 11:52 PM

http://www.legitrevi...article/1036/1/
The smxc beast is unleashing into the wild!
This Corsair case will live up to the standards of Lian Li and Silverstone.
$299 USD... >.<
= $450+ here when it actually comes here.

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 10:16 AM

http://www.legitrevi...article/1036/1/
The smxc beast is unleashing into the wild!
This Corsair case will live up to the standards of Lian Li and Silverstone.
$299 USD... >.<
= $450+ here when it actually comes here.


looks like a beautifull case with just small 3 flaws that i can see
there is a lack of inflow one 140mm fan although the rear fan could be turned to make in inflow then with a rad and 3 exhausts on the top would probably work out fairly well but you might want to add a dust filter to the rear fan
while a mount spot for a 3x120 rad is great why not go a bit further and make it able to handle 4x120 or 3x140 as the case seems to have the room but thats nothing a little hacking away wouldnt fix
price but then its one hell of a case

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