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#41 Takoma

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 08:41 AM

Cool, that lens tech page will come in handy.

I'm still struggling with the focal length descriptions, though. For example, what I know of macro photography is that it's intended to produce images life size, or magnified. Like taking extreme close ups of insects. Right? But then this is apparently a macro lens, and it's listed as 200mm. I have a 55-200mm lens, and that's a zoom.

What do these focal length measurements mean, and why are they seemingly arbitrary between different lenses? (I know they're not, but it seems that way.)


To add to what Squall said, the difference between your 200mm lens and that macro 200mm lens is the macro is able to focus a lot closer to the subject. Most lenses, especially longer focal lengths, can't focus very close. FYI, Nikon calls their range of macro lenses 'Micro'.


Although I don't exactly like referring to Ken, here we go:

http://www.kenrockwe...on/nikortek.htm


Edit: Found this on the way :P
http://www.bahneman...._Rockwell_Facts


A warning for Tak - most photographers think Ken Rockwell is a knob. Take what he says with a grain of salt.


Isn't he the left-handed-Nikon guy?


Not sure, but I know he says the D40 and 18-200mm lens is all anyone ever needs, and if you have more expensive equipment you're an idiot and you're trying to compensate for being a bad photographer.

But isn't that true?




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#42 Athiril

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 08:44 PM

Well a zoom lens is a compensation for a lazy photographer. :P

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#43 hectorbustnuts

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 09:05 PM

Fuck, I feel so inadequate in these forums.

I have ONE camera. THIS camera.

That's it.

/hangs head in shame

#44 Takoma

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 12:28 AM

Fuck, I feel so inadequate in these forums.

I have ONE camera. THIS camera.

That's it.

/hangs head in shame

And yet you take great pictures. Don't worry about it :)
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#45 orinjuse

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 08:34 AM

Not sure, but I know he says the D40 and 18-200mm lens is all anyone ever needs, and if you have more expensive equipment you're an idiot and you're trying to compensate for being a bad photographer.

But isn't that true?


People sometimes to try to compensate for a lack of skill with a lot of equipment, but you can't deny the better image quality pro series gear gives you. It's just some people don't know how to use that quality.
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#46 SquallStrife

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 11:23 AM

Well a zoom lens is a compensation for a lazy photographer. :P

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It is my firm belief that EVERY household in Australia owns or has owned at least one mattress with that nasty orange print on it.

I suggest that you trigger ALL those flashes simultaneously. Try to set something on fire with pure light. >:)

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#47 orinjuse

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 11:30 AM

Well a zoom lens is a compensation for a lazy photographer. :P


Some of us work for a living, and like to tell our bosses we did get the shot, rather than "Oh no, I was changing from my 50mm to my 85mm at the time" : p.

Plus, have you ever weighed a 70-200mm f2.8 lens? Carrying that blunderbuss around isn't something a lazy photographer does.

Oh wait, of course you wouldn't have, Tokina didn't make any of those in the '70s : D.

Edited by orinjuse, 29 May 2009 - 11:33 AM.

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#48 Athiril

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 12:04 PM

Well a zoom lens is a compensation for a lazy photographer. :P

Here is my stuff that sees usage and is not in pieces
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It is my firm belief that EVERY household in Australia owns or has owned at least one mattress with that nasty orange print on it.

I suggest that you trigger ALL those flashes simultaneously. Try to set something on fire with pure light. >:)


Already thought of that, I plan on making a better beamer for wild life fill... also would like to stack fresnel sheets or use a lens and focus the flash down to a single point and fire full power at something.. maybe your window while you're sleeping >:)


Well a zoom lens is a compensation for a lazy photographer. :P


Some of us work for a living, and like to tell our bosses we did get the shot, rather than "Oh no, I was changing from my 50mm to my 85mm at the time" : p.

Plus, have you ever weighed a 70-200mm f2.8 lens? Carrying that blunderbuss around isn't something a lazy photographer does.

Oh wait, of course you wouldn't have, Tokina didn't make any of those in the '70s : D.


Is it heavier than my RB67? :P

The olympus SLR on the left has a 65-200mm f/4 on it :P

I do have a zoom lens though, the 12-24mm as you can see there :P

I believe in zooms for extreme focal lengths, really want the 300-800mm f/5.6

But I do plan on getting the Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 II, though I might just end up with the 120-400 or 150-500.
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Posted 29 May 2009 - 12:45 PM

Well a zoom lens is a compensation for a lazy photographer. :P

Here is my stuff that sees usage and is not in pieces
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It is my firm belief that EVERY household in Australia owns or has owned at least one mattress with that nasty orange print on it.

I suggest that you trigger ALL those flashes simultaneously. Try to set something on fire with pure light. >:)


Already thought of that, I plan on making a better beamer for wild life fill... also would like to stack fresnel sheets or use a lens and focus the flash down to a single point and fire full power at something.. maybe your window while you're sleeping >:)


Four at once? TAAAAAME!
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#50 Athiril

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 04:11 PM

Well a zoom lens is a compensation for a lazy photographer. :P

Here is my stuff that sees usage and is not in pieces
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It is my firm belief that EVERY household in Australia owns or has owned at least one mattress with that nasty orange print on it.

I suggest that you trigger ALL those flashes simultaneously. Try to set something on fire with pure light. >:)


Already thought of that, I plan on making a better beamer for wild life fill... also would like to stack fresnel sheets or use a lens and focus the flash down to a single point and fire full power at something.. maybe your window while you're sleeping >:)


Four at once? TAAAAAME!
:P


Taking on 12 at the same time? That's just slutty ;P
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#51 Takoma

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 07:39 PM

What's the difference between an external flash unit and the pop up job I have on the top of mine? In the short time I've had a decent camera, I've learned to hate the flash. Everything just looks like arse. How do external flash units improve that?
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#52 SquallStrife

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 07:46 PM

What's the difference between an external flash unit and the pop up job I have on the top of mine? In the short time I've had a decent camera, I've learned to hate the flash. Everything just looks like arse.

How do external flash units improve that?


The light doesn't have to be blasted straight at the subject, it can be bounced off the ceiling, or a wall, or a bounce card, or a diffuser.

The only reason your on-camera flash makes things look flat and sterile, is because it destroys the subtle shadowing that you'd see with your naked eye under "normal" lighting.
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#53 Athiril

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 08:16 PM

What's the difference between an external flash unit and the pop up job I have on the top of mine? In the short time I've had a decent camera, I've learned to hate the flash. Everything just looks like arse.

How do external flash units improve that?


Light has a properties - colour, hard/soft (non-diffused/diffused), and the direction it's coming from.

On camera flash is front lighting, and hard, you can try softening with some tissue paper, or bouncing it off the ceiling with a mirror to get it up (or white card even).

I use several flashes, on cheap light stands/tripods, so I can light a subject with light weight portable equipment exactly how I want like I can in a studio, and use closed down apertures and slow ISO :)
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#54 SquallStrife

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 08:24 PM

Demo time!

Flash Difference by squallstrife, on Flickr
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Left is head on with the on-camera flash, right is bounced off the ceiling with a butchered Sunpak hotshoe flash.

Edit: Looking at it on another screen, it seems like the one on the right is a little underexposed, but it's still easy to see how much more "naturally" the subject is lit.

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#55 Mademan

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 09:54 PM

Sold the LX3 a week or so ago, will have to post a pick of my new SLR setup tomorrow, using the little $120 Pentax I got mum for mothers day.

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 11:36 PM

Fuck, I feel so inadequate in these forums.

I have ONE camera. THIS camera.

That's it.

/hangs head in shame


The best camera there is is the one you have with you at the time ;)

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#57 andrewnarit

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Posted 01 June 2009 - 04:35 PM

heres my camera gear taken with my iphone
missing from the picture is my other 70-200 f4L
camera: eos30d with 17-40 L
lens 70-200 f2.8L
sekonic 358 light meter
canon m80 harddrive
580exII flash
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#58 orinjuse

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Posted 01 June 2009 - 04:59 PM

Can you fill us in on the details? I can't read the names : p.
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#59 Mademan

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 10:06 AM

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Camera - Pentax K200D (with Da 21mm f/3.2 LTD), Pentax Da 40mm f/2.8 LTD, Pentax 70mm f/2.4 LTD, Sigma 50mm f/2.8 Macro, Sigma 18-50 f/2.8

Looking to get a Pentax 360 Flash in the near future

Don't think I've seen you around here before Andrew, so welcome. Nice seeing the old 30D still popping up here and there, I had one of those untill earlier this year, and the 17-40 too. Are you studying photography somewhere - I ask because I noticed the Sekonic light metre, a device which seems to have gone the way of the dodo in the photographic world, for better or worse.

#60 SquallStrife

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 02:12 PM

One of my workmates has the K200D. Let me know how you go with it, he's been a little disappointed with the AF in low light. You might do better with your Pentax hotshoe flash, if it offers an AF assist beam.
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