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#2121 Jeruselem

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Posted 25 May 2018 - 12:23 PM

If you're on fixed wireless NBN ... no 100Mbps for you because ... they are incapable or just a bunch of derps (you'll be lucky to get 50 ...)

 

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Posted 25 May 2018 - 01:16 PM

It depends how much over-subcribtion is going on.

 

100Mps is very achievable point-to-point, but of course that is not how the RSPs do it,

 

I used to use point-to point all the time for companies that had offices just a few blocks away - far cheaper than running fibre, but that is not the way NBN works.

 

It's just a crock of shit really, fibre to the home was always the way to go, until pollies who can't spell IT became involved.

 

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Posted 25 May 2018 - 01:19 PM

It depends how much over-subcribtion is going on.

 

100Mps is very achievable point-to-point, but of course that is not how the RSPs do it,

 

I used to use point-to point all the time for companies that had offices just a few blocks away - far cheaper than running fibre, but that is not the way NBN works.

 

It's just a crock of shit really, fibre to the home was always the way to go, until pollies who can't spell IT became involved.

 

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 04:51 PM

NBN Boss blames ... gamers ... for congestion

https://www.sbs.com....-nbn-congestion

 

Nothing to do with people watching 4K videos ...


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Posted 06 June 2018 - 09:31 AM

NBN Boss blames ... gamers ... for congestion

https://www.sbs.com....-nbn-congestion

 

Nothing to do with people watching 4K videos ...

Ye the man is a cretin.


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Posted 06 June 2018 - 09:43 AM

NBN Boss blames ... gamers ... for congestion

https://www.sbs.com....-nbn-congestion

 

Nothing to do with people watching 4K videos ...

 

 

Hold on....

 

"higher-than-expected take-up and consumption"

 

What number did they honestly expect were going to say "Internet? Nah, thats OK" in these days?


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Posted 06 June 2018 - 09:59 AM

If NBN wanted to stop congestion, block youtube. That would work!

No more pesky 720p, 1080p, 2K or 4K video stream to clog up the aussie Internets.


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Posted 06 June 2018 - 01:46 PM

If NBN wanted to stop congestion, block youtube. That would work!
No more pesky 720p, 1080p, 2K or 4K video stream to clog up the aussie Internets.


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Posted 06 June 2018 - 04:34 PM

I had an incoming call yesterday - committed to 18 months contract with TPG.  I'd been meaning to do more research but from the arriving junk mail iPrimus were the only offer close and would have been $10 more than TPG.

 

So, I selected the "44 mbit guaranteed during offpeak" type plan with unlimited data.  Phone is included, no cost-saving opt out available.  Going to cost me $70 which is $10 more than I'm paying now for unlimited data + home phone.  Not sure what if anything changes in the phone side but I virtually never use the thing, got a mobile plan where I get free calls and TXT.

 

Looking like my install date will be the 29th.  Hoping I don't cop too much of an outage, as it happens I swapped the mobile phone to a lesser plan with 4 Gig instead of 10 Gig data as I was barely using it.



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Posted 07 June 2018 - 01:50 PM

Want fibre to your place for about 7km? That will be 1.2 million thanks (it's about $171 per metre)

 

http://www.abc.net.a...nection/9842444


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Posted 15 June 2018 - 10:27 PM

? for people who've got it already or have had some experience using others.

 

What's the typical time you should expect after power cycling the modem?  I did one the other day on a socket which I was told should be an extension of the original line but it did nothing for 5+ minutes so I assumed the extension was a dud.

Then returned it to the original socket and it still seemed to take longer than you'd expect to come up.



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Posted 15 June 2018 - 10:39 PM

 

 

What's the typical time you should expect after power cycling the modem?

FTTN? Several minutes at least and depending on modem chipset and line condition can be out to 10 minutes or so from a couple of comments on Whirlpool.

You also really need to get rid of all extra phone points and have one continuous line from where the line enters the building to where the phone socket is (preferably Cat5e). The less joints the better. Apart from potentially improving line sync it makes it easier to get faults fixed.

If you have old internal wiring and/or multiple phone points NBN will claim that is the cause of any line problems. Getting them to admit the fault is on their copper is apparently quite difficult. At least that is the impression I and others are getting from complaints on Whirlpool.


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Posted 15 June 2018 - 10:45 PM

Cheers.   I assume it was a kerbside FTTN job.  I did a speedtest and though the cheapest plan, was somewhat unimpressed.  Barely better than my ADSL at around 11-12 mbps down, was expecting up to be somewhat better but barely scraped in around 0.9.  The ping of 9ms was about the only thing worth writing home about.

 

Mine should be online in 2 weeks - looking forward to it but hope I get what I'm paying for.



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Posted 16 June 2018 - 12:12 AM

Hold on....

 

 

"higher-than-expected take-up and consumption"

 

What number did they honestly expect were going to say "Internet? Nah, thats OK" in these days?

 

That statement highlights their own incompetence and lack of foresight. Higher than expected consumption? You failed to meet the demands of customers in the digital age.

 

Fools. The purpose of this network was to meet the demand of our interconnected world. Suddenly they didn't realise how much data consumption or take up there would be? "We didn't know people wanted internet... let alone fast internet!"

 

You have to feel a bit sorry for them... these are the guys who have to stand before the media and blame something when they know it was the Abbot government who gave them a poo sandwich to eat, but if they blame the pollies they'll get the sack.


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 09:41 AM

 


You have to feel a bit sorry for them..

 

Nope you don't. Anyone with half a brain would have known the MTM was going to be a complete poo sandwich and stayed well away from it. But these people took the management jobs anyway.

 

Fuck em they will get zero sympathy from me.


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Posted 18 June 2018 - 10:58 AM

 

 


You have to feel a bit sorry for them..

 

Nope you don't. Anyone with half a brain would have known the MTM was going to be a complete poo sandwich and stayed well away from it. But these people took the management jobs anyway.

 

Fuck em they will get zero sympathy from me.

 

 

I agree.

While the rollouts design may be government mandated, they company could still have opted\demanded a much more strict set of rules, otherwise refuse the project.

 

Just a random crapshoot of an idea with 0 research but, how about:

FTTN in new subdivisions (less than 30 years old) ONLY. Guaranteeing good new copper, and a  planned cable layout that is likely STILL correct on paper, as it is in the ground.

Considering the new master-cables, there is likely enough for bonded pairs to MOST houses, so people could likely easily get 50/20 or so, if they're willing to pay, with 20/5 or whatever it is as the base plan.

Anywhere that has an aging suburb and properties (and therefore, infrastructure) gets FTTP.

Anywhere that has HFC, should have the option to respond to a query; "What if your stability like?" If it's good, HFC can continue there.

Anywhere with density less than X, fixed wireless, and DON'T cut the current copper. Meaning people can say, surf on the ADSL and Stream on the 4G.

 

While they may have been scared of losing a government contract that big; They're the "NBNCo."

It's literally the 'Fast Food Rockers' of the Business World ( if you don't know what I mean by that reference, ..... of course they're going to be a 1 hit wonder).

 

.....Also, I regret being alive during this song, and knowing about it :P

 

The NBNCo. is not going to do anything else. They were offered the contract for a reason. They must have had SOME power in the decision making process.

 

In the end;

All this has really meant, is that the government has lost out on a lot of sign-ups, and it will remain in the red; and that Telstra, Optus, and especially Vodafone have had skyrocketing sales in 4G home services.


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Posted 18 June 2018 - 02:03 PM

Which means 4G networks get congested and well, all Aussie internets are seen as crap.


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Posted 18 June 2018 - 04:29 PM

While they may have been scared of losing a government contract that big; They're the "NBNCo."

 

 

All this has really meant, is that the government has lost out on a lot of sign-ups, and it will remain in the red; and that Telstra, Optus, and especially Vodafone have had skyrocketing sales in 4G home services.

NBN Co was created and is owned by the Australian Government. They don't lose government contracts... their existence is to fulfill government contracts.

 

So they have to put into action exactly what the Government legislates.


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Posted 19 June 2018 - 09:55 AM

 

While they may have been scared of losing a government contract that big; They're the "NBNCo."

 

 

All this has really meant, is that the government has lost out on a lot of sign-ups, and it will remain in the red; and that Telstra, Optus, and especially Vodafone have had skyrocketing sales in 4G home services.

NBN Co was created and is owned by the Australian Government. They don't lose government contracts... their existence is to fulfill government contracts.

 

So they have to put into action exactly what the Government legislates.

 

 

Oh really?

Shit you're right. hmm.

 

They still have an appointed CEO, so there must be a set of staff in there pulling the red-tape around.

I've worked a significant amount of public sector; I still maintain that there would be enough sway from within to have put down a more strict set of rules, regarding connection types and where.

 

That said; Doesn't that open them up to a whole bunch of antitrust lawsuits from any other stakeholder in Australia's Internet?


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Posted 19 June 2018 - 04:15 PM

 

 

While they may have been scared of losing a government contract that big; They're the "NBNCo."

 

 

All this has really meant, is that the government has lost out on a lot of sign-ups, and it will remain in the red; and that Telstra, Optus, and especially Vodafone have had skyrocketing sales in 4G home services.

NBN Co was created and is owned by the Australian Government. They don't lose government contracts... their existence is to fulfill government contracts.

 

So they have to put into action exactly what the Government legislates.

 

 

Oh really?

Shit you're right. hmm.

 

They still have an appointed CEO, so there must be a set of staff in there pulling the red-tape around.

I've worked a significant amount of public sector; I still maintain that there would be enough sway from within to have put down a more strict set of rules, regarding connection types and where.

 

That said; Doesn't that open them up to a whole bunch of antitrust lawsuits from any other stakeholder in Australia's Internet?

 

Well being government owned... by legislation they are the sole provider of broadband connection services to the nation, and services are delivered by contract licencees (Telstra, Optus, etc.). 

 

And while it operates in a business fashion with the purpose of making money and paying for itself and future upgrade/expansion, it answers to the finance minister and communications minister. So... basically under the thumb of the gross ineptitude of government ministers. 

 

I would call it a special government department. I think any executive who takes on the role is taking a poisoned chalice because the fault lies with the Mixed Technology legislated by parliament. 


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