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#2141 Jeruselem

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Posted 27 June 2018 - 03:33 PM

Malcy is happy to give undersea cable Internets to Vanuatu but not fibre to us. Good one Malcy

 

http://www.abc.net.a...t-cable/9904270


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Posted 28 June 2018 - 07:53 AM

gah

 

Neighbour was complaining to my landlady that he was the only person in the street that wasn't connected to NBN...

 

I told her that NBN is not due to start construction here until some time next year, so no-one in the street has NBN yet. (Showed her the NBN website)

 

but the next day, there were three NBN vehicles and a bunch of NBN dudes swarming all over the neighbour's lawn... I don't know what was going on.


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Posted 28 June 2018 - 09:15 AM

gah

 

Neighbour was complaining to my landlady that he was the only person in the street that wasn't connected to NBN...

 

I told her that NBN is not due to start construction here until some time next year, so no-one in the street has NBN yet. (Showed her the NBN website)

 

but the next day, there were three NBN vehicles and a bunch of NBN dudes swarming all over the neighbour's lawn... I don't know what was going on.

 

Maybe he complained so loudly they had to act ???


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Posted 29 June 2018 - 04:58 PM

No modem arrived in the mail, my install date was supposed to be today.

Did some digging and got the run around by one incompetent then rang back and got some action.

Looks like 9th July is my install date now.



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Posted 29 June 2018 - 05:19 PM

Telstra?


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Posted 29 June 2018 - 05:51 PM

TPG.  I don't know where the fuckup was.  I'm pretty sure there was specific info for my area on the NBN rollout page but now there isn't.  So either some admin fuckup @ TPG or just a delay.



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Posted 17 July 2018 - 12:30 PM

100Mps is very achievable point-to-point, but of course that is not how the RSPs do it

It's not an RSP issue. FW towers don't have fibre running to every single one, so if you're unlucky you'll be 3+ towers down the daisychain, each tower connecting all of its users to the next tower via radio links. Which are point to point. And pretty limited in their capacity.
 

I used to use point-to point all the time for companies that had offices just a few blocks away - far cheaper than running fibre, but that is not the way NBN works.
 
It's just a crock of shit really, fibre to the home was always the way to go, until pollies who can't spell IT became involved.

So are you advocating for fibre-for-all, or point-to-point being better and sometimes heaps cheaper?

 

 

 

Malcy is happy to give undersea cable Internets to Vanuatu but not fibre to us. Good one Malcy

 

http://www.abc.net.a...t-cable/9904270

 

IKR?  They already have money on Vanuatu, too, but we keep sending our money there as well!  It's a disgrace.


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Posted 18 July 2018 - 01:54 PM

http://www.abc.net.a...copper/10007774

 

Since October an additional 4,478 kilometres of copper has been bought, enough to trace the path by road from Sydney to Perth.

The latest investment, revealed as part of Senate estimates, takes the total copper tally to more than 21,000 kilometres.

 

Me thinks someone has shares in copper mines ...


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#2149 Rybags

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Posted 18 July 2018 - 03:10 PM

A surplus of recyclable copper would send the ore price down, so why would you bother with mining shares?



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Posted 18 July 2018 - 03:10 PM

 

100Mps is very achievable point-to-point, but of course that is not how the RSPs do it

It's not an RSP issue. FW towers don't have fibre running to every single one, so if you're unlucky you'll be 3+ towers down the daisychain, each tower connecting all of its users to the next tower via radio links. Which are point to point. And pretty limited in their capacity.
 

I used to use point-to point all the time for companies that had offices just a few blocks away - far cheaper than running fibre, but that is not the way NBN works.
 
It's just a crock of shit really, fibre to the home was always the way to go, until pollies who can't spell IT became involved.

So are you advocating for fibre-for-all, or point-to-point being better and sometimes heaps cheaper?

 

 

 

Malcy is happy to give undersea cable Internets to Vanuatu but not fibre to us. Good one Malcy

 

http://www.abc.net.a...t-cable/9904270

 

IKR?  They already have money on Vanuatu, too, but we keep sending our money there as well!  It's a disgrace.

 

I've always been  an advocate of FTTH, by far the most sensible and in the end inevitable solution.  but since politicians fiddled in things they don't understand we have to take what we can get, it's a debacle.

 

Understand the fibre build list can be confusing to some, glass itself is cheap, connectors are not, but getting cheaper, interfaces are still expensive, duct laying or even direct burial is not a cheap exercise but if existing ducts can be used it is a non-issue.

 

Wireless by comparison has a much lower build cost on average, but is not easily scaled, fibre is if you change interfaces.

 

We should have bitten the bullet two decades and more ago, bit late now.

 

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Posted 18 July 2018 - 04:04 PM

We should have bitten the bullet two decades and more ago, bit late now.


a) Yes, we should have; but b) bollocks - it's cheaper now, but also is now just catching up rather than leaping ahead. "Too late" would be when everyone else is installing long-distance tunneling links that communicate faster than light. So... A long time.

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Posted 18 July 2018 - 04:24 PM

 

We should have bitten the bullet two decades and more ago, bit late now.


a) Yes, we should have; but b) bollocks - it's cheaper now, but also is now just catching up rather than leaping ahead. "Too late" would be when everyone else is installing long-distance tunneling links that communicate faster than light. So... A long time.

 

Relative to inflation it's not actually much if anything cheaper at all. glass is about as cheap as it gets, connectors have come down and become easier to work with, interfaces in real terms have remained about the same, avalanche Photodiodes, the core of interfaces remain expensive.

 

It's chicken and egg of course, a nice big order would see them much cheaper.

 

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Posted Yesterday, 06:02 PM

Had a dropout last night, no idea why.  It reconnected prettymuch straight away.

Modem log not much help, it seems to keep 24 hours and no more, so unknown if it's beeen a regular thing.






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