For some reason it won't let me log in with my other account, it's been fucked since it was 'renamed'...
I may have been a bit all over the place in that post, not sure I can articulate what I mean well but will try again, with less words.
Apt is shit. Everything command line is shit. It's literally the most user-unfriendly method of interacting with the computer possible. This is 2013, and if you think general users who just want to read their email are going to wade through a command line to do so, you're empirically, objectively, provably wrong.
"This is because Canon suck, and I won't buy one of their products again."
Lots of businesses own multiple $20000 Canon plotter printers. Do you expect them to just throw them away? You're crazy!
I don't understand your point here, in order to read email, you don't need to use the command line, if you're a regular joe, you don't need to use the command line. If you're just trying to read email, you won't run into any of the issues with obscure packages that aren't in the repos and as such, will never need to touch the command line.
I still think it's quicker and easier to type 'special + t' to open a terminal, then 'apt-get install whatever' than it is to open software center, search for what you want, click some stuff, agree to something etc. it takes at least 5 times longer. It's about options, you have the option to use any package manager you want. If you don't know, the default does a decent job for the average joe.
Where did I say that business users using business grade equipment should throw them away, nowhere, I just said that I personally won't be buying canon again as their low end linux support is non existent so it causes me headaches when I need to print. I have probably got more experience in this area than you, given I work with large malfunction and business machines regularly as part of my job, unless you also do the same. I know what does and doesn't work, and once a network port is added to a printer, it's a different game. Doesn't make me and more likely to buy a canon with my next purchase though, if the equivalent HP or lexmark etc. has linux support.
It's your job to fix computers, but people are "lazy or just don't care" because they call on you?
I don't think a solicitor would think you were "lazy or just don't care" if you didn't try to settle a real estate transaction by yourself, but instead called him to do it for you in the first instance. You're not expected to know property law, just like a solicitor shouldn't be expected to read a man page, or even know what one is.
The computer is a means to an end. When it stops working, you stop being productive, no matter which OS you're using. The reason it stops working is irrelevant to the person using it.
I am not trying to say they are lazy for calling a professional to fix their issue, it's my job I do it gladly, but if you are calling me to do extremely simple tasks you should just know how to do as someone who uses a PC every day, it's what I call lazy. For example I get asked to help people share calendars all the time, all they need to do is right click and share it with the user they wish, but that's "too hard" because they are lazy, it's not hard at all. It actually takes more time to write an email asking for someone to do it, then to just do it yourself. People are just getting lazier and lazier as computers do more and more work for them. In some ways this is good, it saves us time, but in other ways it's bad, as people are less self reliant when there is every resource in the world available to them.
I had an issue with my car a few months ago, it was misfiring regularly and so I took the intake manifold off to get to the plugs, and upon removing the plugs I found that some of them were bad, so I just replaced the lot. The coils tested fine so I just put it back together and it's been running fine since. I was quoted $900 by an auto elec to check and replace all plugs and coils on my car, it took me about an hour and I learned something. I'm not a mechanic, if it was a gearbox issue, I would have taken it to a trans shop but I considered this a simple task and so I put in the effort and just saved myself some time, and now I am better off because I gained knowledge.
Why do they "need to"? What's the benefit over what they're doing now? (Think to Bryan's presentation, what's the real actual benefit of apt over yum?)
I suppose they don't need to, but it would be a nice option to have, see below though.
Wrong for a few reasons.
Schools are generally covered by the government's Software Assurance agreement with Microsoft. Windows and Office are practically free. In addition, the Software Assurance agreement provides support. Microsoft is on-hand in case an OS patch kills something.
Ubuntu can be downloaded and installed free of charge. This comes with no warranties, no support (other than forum-loads of unmoderated noise), nothing. Companies like RedHat offer "Software Assurance" style agreements for open source software, but they sure as hell are not free, in fact they're quite pricey.
I'll concede this point, I wasn't aware schools got so much for free from Microsoft, I guess this has helped with windows market share significantly. Something similar from canonical might help increase ubuntu market share then? My point was more that people just use what they are used to, so if they got used to ubuntu it would probably be their preference at home too, which would also help to increase market share. The average user doesn't really care what their OS is, as long as facebook and email work etc.
I don't know the exact answer, but I think that education will play a big part. The only reason we don't need to educate windows users further is because they are already so familiar with it, but it would have had to happen at some stage, probably in school using free windows from microsoft :)
Edited by p0is(+)n, 27 August 2013 - 05:22 PM.