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#41 tastywheat

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 02:16 PM

Incidentally, you can install Mavericks from a USB installer too (apparently).


I can confirm this. It also allows you to setup DIY fusion drives with a few terminal commands.

New multi monitor support feels like it's turned me into a multitasking God. So ridiculously productive. I'm also finding the updates to iWork and iLife pretty substantial. Fixed a few annoying issues, streamlined processes, and added new features. It's amazing that they're now giving it away for free.

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 02:21 PM

Office is slow as balls on my windows machine compared. Its a 4.2ghz quad core i7, Libre opens instantly, Office takes about a 3 second count,


I think you need to re a-quaint yourself with the definition of "slow as balls".

As for the authentication thing - a portable hotspot would most likely suffice as a work around rather than "taking it back to an Apple store".

Still, I'll bite. I have a MacBook Pro which I needed to reinstall. I'm making a USB installer and will ensure there is no internet access to it and try it. Would be good to know if it's the case although I doubt I would ever hump a MAC back to a Mac store on a regular basis. If the network needs to support it, it would be up to the IT dept to allow it to occur otherwise, as suggested, a portable hotspot for the occasion.

I hope the people responsible didn't pay these people.


Yes, my definition of slow as balls is very intolerant on my main rig, since its so streamlined to my needs. If it had spell check I'd just use write.exe, but it doesnt.

Nope. was all covered under warranty.

and yeah, would be nice if it was allowed access, but due to child safety etc etc. they're over cautious and anything with a 'cloud' attached is outright banned, with no look in.
As for a hotspot, I coulda turned my phone on, yeah, but its like 4c a MB and it didnt tell me how much it wanted to use, it just demanded 'an internet connection'. I shouldnt have to anyway.

Edited by Master_Scythe, 29 October 2013 - 02:24 PM.

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 02:44 PM

Just loaded Word 2013 on my Lenovo X220 with a Samsung SSD - Windows 8.1. 1 second. I did a full shutdown and restarted. Still 1 second.

Just installed OSX Mountain Lion off a USB Drive without any internet connection. When prompted for a network, I just hut continue and it skipped it. Didn't have a problem. Downloading Mavericks now so I have a copy of that too to create an installer should I need to. I doubt I would have a problem with that also.


and yeah, would be nice if it was allowed access, but due to child safety etc etc. they're over cautious and anything with a 'cloud' attached is outright banned, with no look in.
As for a hotspot, I coulda turned my phone on, yeah, but its like 4c a MB and it didnt tell me how much it wanted to use, it just demanded 'an internet connection'. I shouldnt have to anyway.


You are right - you shouldn't have to. Lucky for me, I ensure my mobile data is covered with my contract.

The problem however is that if your clients want MACs, and if if network access is required, they should allow it. If they can't allow it, they should pay for the work around.

Maybe your should try the installation without any network connection until after it was completed.

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 03:18 PM

apparently mountain lion will work. Its Lion that wont. They offered us the upgrade but we're not allowed to move on untill head office says OK

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 07:40 PM

As for the experts, I was watching. They had a USB HDD with the Lion installer package on it. They did the apple+R (i think?) to get into the recovery boot mode; then selected their package. It would hang there, and complain it couldn't reach the internet and will not continue.
They then tried a genuine DVD (was a graphical disk with a lion on the front of it) and it hit the same wall. Cant do a complete reinstall without internet (apparently).


If it was indeed Command+R, then your tech support people aren't too good.

Booting from a USB or the DVD (including the original install media) means holding Option while powering up to get the boot menu, OR holding C while powering up to boot from CD/DVD specifically.

Holding Command+R will attempt to boot from the recovery partition, or, if this has been deleted (or you've installed a new blank HDD) then it will attempt Internet recovery, which obviously needs a connection.
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Posted 29 October 2013 - 07:55 PM

Well i'm the only tech support on site, I openly admit I have no apple experience. It was the Apple Care guys, and Data#3 who failed (if thats where they fucked up)

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 08:37 PM

Perhaps it's best not to state things as fact if you're not sure.

To be honest, I think this has been side tracked enough. The opinions on LibreOffice and Lion's activation policies have little to do with the roundup of Apple's new products.

This bit of news is making me a little sad.

http://www.macrumors...ll-meet-demand/

Really looking forward to a Retina iPad mini.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 08:37 AM

Perhaps it's best not to state things as fact if you're not sure.

To be honest, I think this has been side tracked enough. The opinions on LibreOffice and Lion's activation policies have little to do with the roundup of Apple's new products.

This bit of news is making me a little sad.

http://www.macrumors...ll-meet-demand/

Really looking forward to a Retina iPad mini.


Re: me stating things, I don't think its that presumptuous to have considered it fact when told by 3 apple specialists, and apples own paid phone support. I had it on "4 very reliable sources" which I guess turned out to be fools? I used to think AppleCare was a great thing, but if they cant even give correct instructions to restore their own OS... I don't know. A lot of the drama was workplace specific and not apples fault. So whatever.

Onto ipads;
Was it a little short sighted? or was it just a massive hit elsewhere? I went by the local apple store on launch day, and... yeah it was busy... but it wasn't insane, I doubt the store would have sold out; the Pokemon launch was bigger tbh.


I'll continue my apple noob trend, and ask: why is Retina (on the ipad) so amazing?
From my understanding, most people use ipads to enjoy web content, which is usually at a fixed resolution (or at least, no where near 'retina' levels).

On a PC I can kind-of see the appeal if you work in graphics or something. But as my friend found out, Retina is just a pain when you try to bootcamp any other OS.
While that's not apples concern, isn't the same issue going to arise on almost all applications (apple native too) that aren't 'retina aware' where things are tiny?

Just curious :)

Edited by Master_Scythe, 30 October 2013 - 08:40 AM.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 11:56 AM

Perhaps it's best not to state things as fact if you're not sure.

To be honest, I think this has been side tracked enough. The opinions on LibreOffice and Lion's activation policies have little to do with the roundup of Apple's new products.

This bit of news is making me a little sad.

http://www.macrumors...ll-meet-demand/

Really looking forward to a Retina iPad mini.


Re: me stating things, I don't think its that presumptuous to have considered it fact when told by 3 apple specialists, and apples own paid phone support. I had it on "4 very reliable sources" which I guess turned out to be fools? I used to think AppleCare was a great thing, but if they cant even give correct instructions to restore their own OS... I don't know. A lot of the drama was workplace specific and not apples fault. So whatever.

Onto ipads;
Was it a little short sighted? or was it just a massive hit elsewhere? I went by the local apple store on launch day, and... yeah it was busy... but it wasn't insane, I doubt the store would have sold out; the Pokemon launch was bigger tbh.


I'll continue my apple noob trend, and ask: why is Retina (on the ipad) so amazing?
From my understanding, most people use ipads to enjoy web content, which is usually at a fixed resolution (or at least, no where near 'retina' levels).

On a PC I can kind-of see the appeal if you work in graphics or something. But as my friend found out, Retina is just a pain when you try to bootcamp any other OS.
While that's not apples concern, isn't the same issue going to arise on almost all applications (apple native too) that aren't 'retina aware' where things are tiny?

Just curious :)


Launch date is tomorrow.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 12:00 PM

Well I guess thats why. I heard about it on the radio on the way to work last week, and went via the mall on the way home. So that would mean I was there on Announcement day as opposed to Launch day..... yeah that'll do it..... /face I'd be even more embarrassed if I made a special trip for it ><

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 12:51 PM

First reviews of the air.

http://www.macrumors...ing-tablet-yet/

What to do. Do I take the punt on the air and forego the mini if and when it eventually comes out and there is actually stock?

Edited by The Tick, 30 October 2013 - 12:54 PM.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 01:11 PM

Heh, one of those reviewers referred to "The iPad 4". I was working for an apple authorized store at the time, calling it that was a HUGE no no; the official product name is "The New iPad". We did all have a laugh about the next one; being "the Newer Ipad" "The newest ipad" and "the future ipad". I'll admit, it looks neat. very neat. If only they'd 'borrowed' the surfaces built in stand idea, I'd honestly consider one of those. I guess I'm just still struggling to see the usability improvements (except size) from the last one.... I guess its the old philosophy, build it and they will come. Be interesting to see what this one can do the old ones can't!

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 01:37 PM

Heh, one of those reviewers referred to "The iPad 4".
I was working for an apple authorized store at the time, calling it that was a HUGE no no; the official product name is "The New iPad".
We did all have a laugh about the next one; being "the Newer Ipad" "The newest ipad" and "the future ipad".

I'll admit, it looks neat. very neat. If only they'd 'borrowed' the surfaces built in stand idea, I'd honestly consider one of those.
I guess I'm just still struggling to see the usability improvements (except size) from the last one.... I guess its the old philosophy, build it and they will come.
Be interesting to see what this one can do the old ones can't!


What was this authorised store? How long did you work there?

I am guessing Apple wasn't their bread and butter.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 01:43 PM

Nah, was an independent. And no, apple was only probably 20% of their sales. It was funny, because the boss\owner kept calling it the 'iPad 4' and the apple rep (who decides if you're allowed to stock their product or not, and how much) kept staring daggers at him, considering he'd just given us the "no iPad 4" speech, lol.

Edited by Master_Scythe, 30 October 2013 - 01:44 PM.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 02:25 PM

Yeah - I just keep trying to figure out why on one hand you would keep mentioning your work experience as if it was giving you some sort of cred and then on the other, stating that you really know nothing about Apple products. Thread derailed again!

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 03:27 PM



Onto ipads;
Was it a little short sighted? or was it just a massive hit elsewhere? I went by the local apple store on launch day, and... yeah it was busy... but it wasn't insane, I doubt the store would have sold out; the Pokemon launch was bigger tbh.


Launch date is tomorrow.


Sorry - need to correct myself. Launch date is Friday.

Edited by The Tick, 30 October 2013 - 03:28 PM.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 05:01 PM

Yeah - I just keep trying to figure out why on one hand you would keep mentioning your work experience as if it was giving you some sort of cred and then on the other, stating that you really know nothing about Apple products.

Thread derailed again!


Oh, I can quote the sales pitch and training videos untill the cows come home. Doesnt mean I know how to admin them.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 07:18 PM

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 08:29 PM

I'll continue my apple noob trend, and ask: why is Retina (on the ipad) so amazing?
From my understanding, most people use ipads to enjoy web content, which is usually at a fixed resolution (or at least, no where near 'retina' levels).

On a PC I can kind-of see the appeal if you work in graphics or something. But as my friend found out, Retina is just a pain when you try to bootcamp any other OS.
While that's not apples concern, isn't the same issue going to arise on almost all applications (apple native too) that aren't 'retina aware' where things are tiny?

Just curious :)


Having more pixels in the same physical area means things can be rendered in finer detail, while remaining the same visible size. It's not about fitting more crap on screen at once.

Think text readability. It's not about the X pixels by Y pixels, it's about the pixels per inch.

That's why mobile apps (even on Android) aren't designed in pixels, they'll use points, pels, %, or some other DPI-aware unit of measurement.

Edited by SquallStrife, 30 October 2013 - 08:34 PM.

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 08:57 AM

Thanks for that Squall; so the desktop application of Retina is actually the less sensible one. That being because mobile apps use a % for scaling, where most desktop programs, and webpage layouts are a pixel size?

Edited by Master_Scythe, 31 October 2013 - 08:57 AM.

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