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#21 The Tick

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 08:31 AM

http://forums.atomic...s...t&p=1134419.

Yeah I think krispy hits the nail right where it should go.


The Greens seem to be the only ones opposing this entirely. I do not believe for one minute these measures will be restricted to "terrorism".

When I start to consider Greens policy I realise just how much I hate this country's political system.

Then again, freedom isn't free I guess.


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Posted 06 August 2014 - 09:03 AM

That money was going to be sent overseas to contribute to a foreign research program, not domestic.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 09:58 AM

That money was going to be sent overseas to contribute to a foreign research program, not domestic.

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Rob.


BIG international drug companies, not the Australian economy, will reap the profits from the $20 billion medical research fund financed by the new fee on GP visits, experts warn.
Health Minister Peter Dutton has raised the ire of researchers by ruling out using money from the $20 billion medical research fund to commercialise Australian medical breakthroughs.
“The government with taxpayers money is not a hedge fund, we’re not an entrepreneur with a huge appetite for high risk, high return,” Mr Dutton said


http://www.news.com....m-1226941785144



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Posted 06 August 2014 - 10:05 AM

That money was going to be sent overseas to contribute to a foreign research program, not domestic.

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Rob.


BIG international drug companies, not the Australian economy, will reap the profits from the $20 billion medical research fund financed by the new fee on GP visits, experts warn.
Health Minister Peter Dutton has raised the ire of researchers by ruling out using money from the $20 billion medical research fund to commercialise Australian medical breakthroughs.
“The government with taxpayers money is not a hedge fund, we’re not an entrepreneur with a huge appetite for high risk, high return,” Mr Dutton said


http://www.news.com....m-1226941785144



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That's not even close to what you earlier suggested was happening with the medical fund...

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 10:08 AM

BIG international drug companies, not the Australian economy, will reap the profits from the $20 billion medical research fund financed by the new fee on GP visits, experts warn.
Health Minister Peter Dutton has raised the ire of researchers by ruling out using money from the $20 billion medical research fund to commercialise Australian medical breakthroughs.
“The government with taxpayers money is not a hedge fund, we’re not an entrepreneur with a huge appetite for high risk, high return,” Mr Dutton said

Don't be swayed by Australian "big pharma's" (for lack of a better term) commercial motives.

It makes quite a lot of sense that the money would be used for research instead of commercialization.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 10:21 AM

I think i would rather our scientists have a crack at finding something then we can make billions off selling our discovery to the world. Then put the profits of that back into the health system. I hate Big Pharma. Gofaster - what do you mean its not even close? the money is going to international drug companies not domestic Australian research. I dont like that

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 10:27 AM

Gofaster - what do you mean its not even close? the money is going to international drug companies not domestic Australian research. I dont like that


Not it's not, the article you posted said that as the government would not use the research fund to fund the commercialisation of medical research, then it would likely be picked up by large international pharmaceutical companies. That is very different to not funding local research.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 11:52 AM

"There will be no Carbon Tax under a government I lead"

She said nothing about a carbon price, otoh. That everyone since has chosen to (mis)represent it as such since is beside the point.


And of course the second half of the sentence that we all insist on forgetting.

No broken promise there.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 11:53 AM

"There will be no Carbon Tax under a government I lead"

She said nothing about a carbon price, otoh. That everyone since has chosen to (mis)represent it as such since is beside the point.


And of course the second half of the sentence that we all insist on forgetting.

No broken promise there.


What second half of that sentence? The one made up by new Matilda or what she actually said?
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#30 Hlass

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 11:59 AM

the title is actually a rhetorical question, i think

some time ago i gave my opinion that tony abbott would prove to be our worst prime minister ever, although to be fair i can only remember back to living under ming and his successors, so maybe prior to the middle of last century we had worse leaders

anyway, several people offered a dissenting opinion at the time, so i thought it was germane to revisit the subject and ask if there are any people out there who might be able to offer a positive spin on this bunch of hooray henries

don't let me single out the p.m. though - feel free to comment on joe hockey, christopher pyne and george brandis too, to name just the worst other offenders on the front bench


i don't think i've been as embarrassed to admit australian citizenship since the latter days of the howard regime, but i would be pleased to have somebody enlighten me as to the significant positive changes to australia since the last federal election... although i must accept that the defeat and retirement of kevin rudd stands up as one shining plus



knock yourselves out


Hockey. Entitled fool. Determined to punish the poor.

Brandis. Deeply vindictive

Pyne. Terrible at being a politician. Even worse at being a minister.

Bishop the elder. Most partisan speaker in living memory

Bishop the younger. Mildly retarded?

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains

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Roll on your rifle, blow out your brains

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 01:30 PM

Stop being such a misogynist Hlass, Julie Bishop is awesome

http://www.news.com....k-1227015446245

She is winning

Edited by xnatex, 06 August 2014 - 03:36 PM.


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Posted 06 August 2014 - 02:05 PM

This government is as crap as all those before it and those that will come after it. People who couldn't care less about me or you, pretending to care about me and you.

What a load of shit...


Pretty much this.

My 2c though is simply along the lines of blaming the kiddies who find themselves left alone with the keys to the lolly shop but the idiots who keep on giving them the keys in the first place despite the decades of prior experience of what happens when they do.

So you just go ahead and vote for whatever labour (or liberal) puppet is thrust in your face next time, because you know, next time it will be 'different'.


Edited by Director, 06 August 2014 - 02:06 PM.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 02:38 PM

I don't have a problem with a bit of austerity to reign in what appears to me (uneducated in the details of economics) to be have been excessive spending by the previous governments. Smarter people than me will argue the finer points of how much stimulus was essential to avoid recession/depression, how much made it comfortable, and where to draw the line of excess that was crossed. But I don't understand where the belt tightening mandates taking a cricket bat to social justice across so many areas. I don't even see a logical linkage between the "saving money here" while "blowing megabucks over there to step on a bunch of people's necks". In the future when we look back I think the legacy of this government might be: 1. Judged as having "done good" on the budget/economic issues - maybe solid 'B' Grade. 2. I can't see any way in which they will have been judged to have displayed good leadership and vision - They can't sell any message to the public without screwing up the delivery. In terms of effectiveness they seem as dysfunctional as Labor was (yet labour had leadership issues you could clearly point to for their instability). - Grade - scraping through with 'C minus' 3. Judged with shame and regret on social/humanitarian/global issues. - An emphatic 'F'.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 03:06 PM

nice video, director although it is more succinctly put as "no matter who you vote for, you get a politician" i have no doubt that all alleged political "service" is self-interested at the heart, but the quality of those climbing over the corpses of their opponents and conspirators seems to get worse with each passing election, although i realise maybe my advancing years makes me even more sceptical of the farce of proportional representation as for budgetary balance - labour spends like a drunken sailor, but has some degree of social conscience; the liberals seem obsessed by extinguishing the national debt by neglecting essential spending and selling assets neither manage their balance of income and expenditure with the due diligence that i as a single income family manage to have done for over 3 decades, in the meantime paying off a major debt without fail .... being in surplus is the necessity; being crazed by the possibility of going debt free in a hurry having sold my house seems to be the liberal way maggie thatcher opined that "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend" the alternative idea that life is purely a matter of financial interest while the planet burns is idiocy no wonder i never vote for either major party - the pirate party have the most reasonable concepts for a lot of big issues, but have no hope of power even if it's just due to stupid marketing - their ideas may be yaaaar! but they don't have the cachet of established hierarchy (as they don't agree with the premise of hierarchy) if there was a box that said "none of the above, they are all shit-full" i reckon that party would gain a seat hmm, there's an idea whose time has come

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#35 Leonid

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 03:12 PM

if there was a box that said "none of the above, they are all shit-full" i reckon that party would gain a seat


hmm, there's an idea whose time has come


Clive Palmer?
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Posted 06 August 2014 - 03:54 PM

And as ICAC is showing us rorting is in the LNP's very soul.

Brian Loughnane, the Federal Director of the Liberal Party, has been drawn into the scandal embroiling the party with evidence given to a corruption inquiry that he rubberstamped the use of federal channels to subvert the NSW ban on donations from property developers.


http://www.smh.com.a...806-100vlc.html


Two more Libs gone.

http://www.smh.com.a...806-10113q.html

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Roll on your rifle, blow out your brains

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 04:50 PM

Told ya.

Hockey. Entitled fool. Determined to punish the poor.

Brandis. Deeply vindictive

Pyne. Terrible at being a politician. Even worse at being a minister.

Bishop the elder. Most partisan speaker in living memory

Bishop the younger. Mildly retarded?


You forgot Scott Morrison - irredeemable cunt.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 04:57 PM

Told ya.

Hockey. Entitled fool. Determined to punish the poor.

Brandis. Deeply vindictive

Pyne. Terrible at being a politician. Even worse at being a minister.

Bishop the elder. Most partisan speaker in living memory

Bishop the younger. Mildly retarded?


You forgot Scott Morrison - irredeemable cunt.


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She did well with the Pakistan Chief of Army too

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She is the best politician in government, her performance at the UN has earned her News reports from around the world talking about her, she is shinning so bright it is distracting away from how dull the rest are.

I hope she takes leadership so we can have the first female PM that isn't embarrassing on the world stage.



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Posted 06 August 2014 - 05:01 PM

The Greens seem to be the only ones opposing this entirely. I do not believe for one minute these measures will be restricted to "terrorism".

And the Pirate Party, who I think are more reasonable than the Greens in many areas.

Anyway, reading through this tread reminded me of the article How Politics Makes Us Stupid.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 05:16 PM

The Greens seem to be the only ones opposing this entirely. I do not believe for one minute these measures will be restricted to "terrorism".

And the Pirate Party, who I think are more reasonable than the Greens in many areas.

Anyway, reading through this tread reminded me of the article How Politics Makes Us Stupid.


Both lib/lab have been stinging to get their hands into the internet for years. Terrorism will get expanded to crime and crime is downloading the new game of thrones season




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