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#1 Director

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Posted 03 June 2015 - 08:36 AM

For those who want to have a say, not quite as good as a referendum but better than nothing.

 

Provide your Government with your feedback directly by following the link below:

http://www.immi.gov....onsibility.aspx

Deadline for feedback is 30th June 2015

 

Direct link to questionnaire:

 

https://dibpau.au1.q...2oBvNXepUW2JF77


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Posted 03 June 2015 - 11:14 AM

Citizenship this is the word of the day.

 

We have dual citizenship where one is born in another country but also holds citizenship of Australia.

 

Then we have those born in Australia that automatically gets citizenship.

 

The problem is dual Citizenship why allow citizenship between 2 countries ,you can only live in one country. So if you live in Australia then that should be your only citizenship. When you become a citizen to Australia then that should nullify any other citizenship.


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Posted 03 June 2015 - 11:36 AM

Stupid Captcha system, took 3 goes before I could find something readable.

 

Done.  Though a good number of vague questions.  They'd probably have done better by just having 20 or so multiple choice questions.



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Posted 03 June 2015 - 11:44 AM

Stupid Captcha system, took 3 goes before I could find something readable.

 

Done.  Though a good number of vague questions.  They'd probably have done better by just having 20 or so multiple choice questions.

 

I hate captcha its a bane to those who have sight problems and also a bane to those who cannot make out what is in the box.


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Posted 03 June 2015 - 12:48 PM

They have it set to have one word too curled and the letters too close together.

 

I just had another look, out of about 5 refreshes only one was easy to read, one you'd probably have 50/50 with and the rest just big timewasters.



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Posted 03 June 2015 - 04:20 PM

Citizenship this is the word of the day.

 

We have dual citizenship where one is born in another country but also holds citizenship of Australia.

 

Then we have those born in Australia that automatically gets citizenship.

 

The problem is dual Citizenship why allow citizenship between 2 countries ,you can only live in one country. So if you live in Australia then that should be your only citizenship. When you become a citizen to Australia then that should nullify any other citizenship.

Citizenship has almost nothing to do where you live.

 

I live in Japan, one day I might have permanent residence in Japan, but I won't be a citizen of Japan, and I will continue to be a citizen of Australia.

 

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Posted 03 June 2015 - 04:29 PM

 

Citizenship this is the word of the day.

 

We have dual citizenship where one is born in another country but also holds citizenship of Australia.

 

Then we have those born in Australia that automatically gets citizenship.

 

The problem is dual Citizenship why allow citizenship between 2 countries ,you can only live in one country. So if you live in Australia then that should be your only citizenship. When you become a citizen to Australia then that should nullify any other citizenship.

Citizenship has almost nothing to do where you live.

 

I live in Japan, one day I might have permanent residence in Japan, but I won't be a citizen of Japan, and I will continue to be a citizen of Australia.

 

Rob.

 

 

I think it comes down to loyalty in the end ,which country do you feel more loyal too. 


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Posted 03 June 2015 - 04:41 PM

I really think citizenship can cause a lot of problems when the "my country wrong or right" bit rears its ugly head.

 

I'm a citizen of three countries but I could not say I'm spectacularly loyal to any of them, it's just a little difficult to get around without a passport from at least one and preferably two of them :)

 

Even the US has softened up on the dual citizenship issue, use to be you had to give up US citizenship if you became a citizen of Australia for example, not so any more.

 

I've never checked, is Abbot a dual citizen ? He'd be entitled.

 

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Posted 03 June 2015 - 05:10 PM

I got doubts about choosing based on loyalty.  It probably ranks around 2 or 3.

 

Top of the list would be personal gain as in pensions and paying less tax.



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Posted 03 June 2015 - 10:59 PM

I don't see why there is a question about what citizenship means.

Surely a good citizen does not shit in the place they choose to live in.

Even someone on a temp visa status can be a good citizen by not shitting in the place they choose to visit.

If you shit all over the place that offers you respite, then you need to redefine your idea of citizenship.

 

There wouldn't even need to be a question as to what citizenship was if people could just stop from being utter selfish pricks.


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Posted 05 June 2015 - 09:51 AM

I really think citizenship can cause a lot of problems when the "my country wrong or right" bit rears its ugly head.

 

I'm a citizen of three countries but I could not say I'm spectacularly loyal to any of them, it's just a little difficult to get around without a passport from at least one and preferably two of them :)

 

Even the US has softened up on the dual citizenship issue, use to be you had to give up US citizenship if you became a citizen of Australia for example, not so any more.

 

I've never checked, is Abbot a dual citizen ? He'd be entitled.

 

Cheers

Actually chrisg Abbott as a member of parliment is not entitled to hold dual citizenship, this comes under Section 44 of the constitution.

 

I personnally have no issue with people being citizens of more than one country, my neighbour is a 10 pound pom has still has his British citizenship as well as his Australian citizenship and has just been given permanent residency status in Greece becasue he brought a car while holidaying there. 

 

I do not think the government should be able to strip a citizen of their citizenship without due process, this isn't something that should be decided upon by the Attourney General of the day.


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Posted 05 June 2015 - 12:07 PM

For those who want to have a say, not quite as good as a referendum but better than nothing.

 

Provide your Government with your feedback directly by following the link below:

http://www.immi.gov....onsibility.aspx

Deadline for feedback is 30th June 2015

 

Direct link to questionnaire:

 

https://dibpau.au1.q...2oBvNXepUW2JF77

 

Surely you of all people D can't believe that they will take any notice of that feedback unless it reinforces their position? If the feedback they get contradicts their position they will just claim the feedback system was hijacked by a bunch of Lefty green gay socialists who want to bring about the destruction of "Australian" values.


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Posted 05 June 2015 - 01:11 PM

 

For those who want to have a say, not quite as good as a referendum but better than nothing.

 

Provide your Government with your feedback directly by following the link below:

http://www.immi.gov....onsibility.aspx

Deadline for feedback is 30th June 2015

 

Direct link to questionnaire:

 

https://dibpau.au1.q...2oBvNXepUW2JF77

 

Surely you of all people D can't believe that they will take any notice of that feedback unless it reinforces their position? If the feedback they get contradicts their position they will just claim the feedback system was hijacked by a bunch of Lefty green gay socialists who want to bring about the destruction of "Australian" values.

 

Yeah I know...but I live in hope that if the pollies see a vote or two in it then they'll follow the wishes of the people...*sigh*.


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Posted 05 June 2015 - 03:20 PM

 

Yeah I know...but I live in hope that if the pollies see a vote or two in it then they'll follow the wishes of the people...*sigh*.


 

 

As I see it only if those votes align with their already fixed beliefs and opinions.


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Posted 05 June 2015 - 04:06 PM

 

I really think citizenship can cause a lot of problems when the "my country wrong or right" bit rears its ugly head.

 

I'm a citizen of three countries but I could not say I'm spectacularly loyal to any of them, it's just a little difficult to get around without a passport from at least one and preferably two of them :)

 

Even the US has softened up on the dual citizenship issue, use to be you had to give up US citizenship if you became a citizen of Australia for example, not so any more.

 

I've never checked, is Abbot a dual citizen ? He'd be entitled.

 

Cheers

Actually chrisg Abbott as a member of parliment is not entitled to hold dual citizenship, this comes under Section 44 of the constitution.

 

I personnally have no issue with people being citizens of more than one country, my neighbour is a 10 pound pom has still has his British citizenship as well as his Australian citizenship and has just been given permanent residency status in Greece becasue he brought a car while holidaying there. 

 

I do not think the government should be able to strip a citizen of their citizenship without due process, this isn't something that should be decided upon by the Attourney General of the day.

 

I had thought there probably was some legislation to cover that, thanks.

 

I actually completely agree but I also do not really see how it is relevant to the morons running off to fight for ISIL, they can keep their citizenship but if they come back they get tried for international war crimes - simple.

 

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Posted 05 June 2015 - 07:11 PM

Looks like Dutton isn't alone in wanting to play god with people's lives ... although this guy could do with some

sort of change of address.


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Posted 05 June 2015 - 07:37 PM

I've heard discussion of them doing this to those who have the 'potential' to have dual citizenship. If a native born Aussie has, through his parents, the capacity to hold citizenship elsewhere, then they'll be vulnerable to this idiocy.

Yet they keep saying the the ALP is playing politics with 'security'.

ARGH!


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Posted 06 June 2015 - 03:19 AM

No shit, the last time there was a government in this country that seemed to go out of it's way to piss off the people in favour of small special-interest groups, Governor Bligh was waking up to find things were going to shit in Sydney. :p

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Posted 06 June 2015 - 03:41 PM

I've heard discussion of them doing this to those who have the 'potential' to have dual citizenship. If a native born Aussie has, through his parents, the capacity to hold citizenship elsewhere, then they'll be vulnerable to this idiocy.

Yet they keep saying the the ALP is playing politics with 'security'.

ARGH!

That's pretty much the front line of my family.

Let's hope they don't take offense to me calling Scott Morrison a cunt who is going to hell.


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Posted 06 June 2015 - 07:35 PM

this whole topic smells like nothing other than time-buying misdirection.  


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