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#101 gamble

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 08:00 PM

Similar to what Dasa posted, memory clock has large impact it seems:

http://www.eteknix.c...en-performance/

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Posted 06 March 2017 - 10:06 AM

I spotted a YT review on the 1600x but it was like 1 hour long so I didn't watch it ...


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Posted 06 March 2017 - 03:05 PM

Looks the Vega is the RX560, RX570 and RX580.

Some think these are like rehashed RX400 GPUS which isn't what we wanted.


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#104 Dasa

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Posted 06 March 2017 - 08:16 PM

some info on vega here

seems there updating gcn

http://www.anandtech...itecture-teaser


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Posted 07 March 2017 - 02:14 AM


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Posted 07 March 2017 - 04:59 AM

Very interesting Cybes!


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#107 Cybes

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Posted 07 March 2017 - 06:52 AM

Very interesting Cybes!

 

I sub'd to him as soon as I saw someone else link him here last year.  He's always interesting - even if I have to admit to having to listen to a couple of things twice to get past the accent. ;p


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Posted 07 March 2017 - 08:15 AM

he has some good points but his very one eyed

completely side stepping the ipc of the cpu in programs that care about cache\memory performance

 

saying games are running 300fps at low res now sure some games others are under 60fps due to the cpu this will improve a bit as bios\windows updates come out

his example of rainbow six siege is one that i tested which is still gpu bootlicked even at low res cherry picked!

 

bf1 results amd vs 7700k being near max sure if the game can make use of over 8 threads otherwise ryzen may well be at its max already as well

also bf1 is known to be buggy with 100% cpu usage for some people and only ~40% for others with the same cpu

 

programing bottlneck no shit same can be said for every program in existence none are perfect some worse than others but if one cpu is powerful enough in some areas to make up for that and the other isnt...

 

indicating bulldozer was better as 4 years later the second revision is able to beat the 6 year old 2500k in some new games afer putting up with years of sub 60fps performance....

focusing on average percentages to hide the fps deficiency

 

and again showing ipc in synthetics that only care about cpu performance not the cache system performance he really is pushing his side sorry but he is full of shit

https://www.techpowe...ccx-compromises

aida64 may not be accurate for ryzen at this stage but there is memory performance problems there

 

 

on the final note true low res results are not a indication of future performance when improved multithreading is taken into account its only a indication of future performance for current games with a faster gpu or future games  that continue to use old engines

but they are a better indicator than high res results as at least you can still get a rough idea of how the cpu will scale with the extra cores

with high res results you can see nothing but the gpu's performance in many games

 

 

conclusion most amd fans will now admit bulldozer was a failure

somebody that is still trying to justify it... epic fanboy


Edited by Dasa, 07 March 2017 - 08:47 AM.

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#109 Jeruselem

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Posted 07 March 2017 - 08:35 AM

Bulldozer was ill conceived and a false dawn. Ryzen learnt things from intel, that single core performance is still important.

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Posted 07 March 2017 - 09:08 AM

he has some good points but his very one eyed

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somebody that is still trying to justify it... epic fanboy

 

I said "interesting" - not "correct".  Personally, I wouldn't know one way or another, and would have to check in several places before drawing a conclusion.


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#111 Dasa

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Posted 07 March 2017 - 09:10 AM

truth is i dont think any of us will know for sure for some time yet

there is much work to be done before we will get a real look at how it performs in programs like games

 

edit

apparently he said bulldozer is crap in that review so i may have gone to far with my fanboy comments above


Edited by Dasa, 07 March 2017 - 10:27 AM.

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Posted 07 March 2017 - 03:21 PM

DirectX and driver improvements will only go so far.  Game patches the same.  At the end of the day it's x86 code being run, sure the AMD and Intel offerings can have special capabilities or compilation requirements that can produce some optimisations.

 

The thing is, every chance the Dx and driver stuff will flow through.  As for games, don't be so sure.  There's been a fair history of games that favour one GPU type over the other, to say nothing of games that plain never worked properly on ATI/AMD hardware and next to nothing was done about it.



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Posted 07 March 2017 - 06:35 PM

I'm guessing most games have intel optimised code due the compilers they use, and most gamers use some form of intel. No one is gonna bother optimising for bulldozer k10 but Ryzen might get that. Ryxen probably just killed of the k10 now

Edited by Jeruselem, 07 March 2017 - 09:14 PM.

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#114 Dasa

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 12:52 PM

another review this one actually shows a improvement to min fps from smt in two games

http://www.techspot....ng-performance/

 

 some overclocking info

Silicon Lottery:

Ryzen 7 1700
93% reach 3.8GHz @ 1.376V CPU VCORE (Or less)
70% reach 3.9GHz @ 1.408V CPU VCORE (Or less)
20% reach 4.0GHz @ 1.440V CPU VCORE (Or less)

Ryzen 7 1700X
100% reach 3.8GHz @ 1.360V CPU VCORE (Or less)
77% reach 3.9GHz @ 1.392V CPU VCORE (Or less)
33% reach 4.0GHz @ 1.424V CPU VCORE (Or less)

Ryzen 7 1800X
97% reach 3.9GHz @ 1.376V CPU VCORE (Or less)
67% reach 4.0GHz @ 1.408V CPU VCORE (Or less)
20% reach 4.1GHz @ 1.440V CPU VCORE (Or less)

 


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#115 Jeruselem

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 03:25 PM

So you're lucky to get over 4Ghz ...


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 03:52 PM

unless your game to see how your chip scales past 1.44v and have the cooling\vrm to cope


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Posted 09 March 2017 - 01:36 AM

Real-world test, not just numbers - and without needing your Scottish-filter! ;)

 


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Posted 09 March 2017 - 02:41 AM

has anyone seen the recommended voltage for 24/7?  Cant seem to find anywhere saying "stay under X".  Seems like after 1.4v it really heats up much more.

 

Also, at the end of the techspot report for 16 games, basically at the end, they avg everything but at 1080p Ryzen is 12% slower than the 6900k and 3% on 5960x.  1440 it is 4% slower than the 6900k and on par with 5960x.  I mean for the price, I think that is reasonable vs the 6900k and 5960x in gaming performance.  1700 non X is probably the best value if you OC it just some.  7700k and 6700k are still kings of games, I dont see that shifting much but possibly for future games if they get optimized.  


Edited by gamble, 09 March 2017 - 02:57 AM.

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#119 Jeruselem

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Posted 09 March 2017 - 05:42 PM

From the looks of current testing, get 1700 because the 1800 isn't much better by much.

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Posted 09 March 2017 - 06:21 PM

plus your going to smash my 6700k firestrike physics score with ryzen :)


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