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#1 eveln

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Posted 04 August 2015 - 08:50 PM

Not long ago in the WOYM thread there was a wee discussion about having to put up with

random children and their behaviour whilst trying to enjoy a meal in a restaurant.

As is the way of things, there were those that felt kids were fine whatever they dealt out and that it was

not up to a stranger / owner / staff person to try to curb the child's manner for the comfort of others in

the establishment. And then there were / are those (me) who felt it decidedly poor form for someone's

child to be foisted on to the restaurant en masse.

 

If the parents don't want to pay or can't organise a baby sitter, then they really need to rethink their

choice of meal arrangements. Why not hit the park if it's daytime with take-out food or a picnic ?

If it's night then go take-out again and have it in the freedom of your own home where your child can

carry on to it's heart's content.  - I will never be advising anyone to hit Maccas or the like, as an option

to feed their kid/s.-

One of the few times this would definitely not apply is when the family is travelling and making use of the hotel's

restaurant/s to feed their selves. If the hotel welcomes the whole family, then they must all be welcome

in the restaurants. Kids must not be left in hotel rooms unattended, ever.

 

For parents to say they are acclimatising their kids to the social niceties of public dining I call bullshit !

That shit's done at home with kids tea sets and pretend fun and games.

 

Anyway, there's a place in Yungaburra, not far from Cairns who've got the spotlight on themselves just

now, due to the fact they had an altercation with a two year old's dithering parents.

 

http://www.news.com....i-1227469379484

 

These guys have said no body under the age of six. " Good on 'em." ... I say :)

 

/ at the bottom of the link is some stuff about the place in the USA that we were previously discussing

in WOYM ... LOL


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 10:09 PM

I had lunch at a new place in town today, to kill some time before work.  There were two mothers I noticed off in the background - the place has a lot of hanging curtains to help deaden sound and give the illusion of privacy - with some young kids, chatting and eating and drinking.  On their way out they were very apologetic about the noise their kids had made.  I just looked at them dumbly, because apart from noticing the kids when I noticed the mothers, I didn't even register them making any noise.


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 10:39 PM

Sounds like an interesting place. Someone used their brain when designing the layout. I wish more

places would go back to the idea of more intimate / secluded areas within the floor space.

Trouble is the focus is more on number of covers for profit rather than what would be good for the customer's

experience of their establishment. Most figure their food is all that matters. And well yes ultimately, if you're

paying someone to feed you it's got to be good at least ;) ...and then of course the only barrier from table to table

is the walkway dividing them. And then there is no boundary for the kid/s.

 

Also, it must be said that more often than not the reason the kid/s is a pain for other customers is actually the fault

of the attending adults ( of the kids) , mostly.

 

edit :clarity " ( of the kids )"


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Posted 04 August 2015 - 11:08 PM

I wish more places would go back to the idea of more intimate / secluded areas within the floor space.


The real trouble is that sound-deadening materials are either a fire hazard, or very expensive.

I'm willing to bet the curtains in the place Nich was at were the former, and the operators either didn't realise or didn't GAF.

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Posted 04 August 2015 - 11:34 PM

The place is filled with timberwork on walls and furniture.  Not sure some nylon curtains between a bunch of tables/sections is going to help, but not sure it'll be tooo bad.

Not sound deadening in a true sound deadening sense, but it's enough to stop sound bouncing around too much from concrete floor/ceiling.


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Posted 05 August 2015 - 03:05 AM

We have all types in the shop
Some parents are great, they give the kid two choices and let them decide
Other parents think nothing of their little darlings running behind the counter


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The bad parents will eventually blame everyone else because they raised a little shit

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 06:54 AM

In the end, there are good parents, and there are bad parents
The bad parents will eventually blame everyone else because they raised a little shit

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 06:59 AM

Yeah I don't get it, I guess a LOT of people these days just want kids (kinda like they 'want' and iphone or a n Hybrid car?) but they don't really want to be parents.  It's pretty sad really but I see it all the time.  And shit, it's not like you have to know what you're doing, we certainly didn't/don't but when junior was going through the terrible twos we simply disciplined him when appropriate, not with an in-depth discussion on the merits of selflessness and mutual respect in the hopes of a harmonious society (that came later) but with a short sharp smack on the bum.  Must have done something right cos he's pretty good now.  And on the rare occasion where discipline didn't work we simply left the place where we were so others couple enjoy the peace and quiet.  We did ban him from supermarkets for about a year during that time too. :)


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Posted 05 August 2015 - 07:00 AM

 

I wish more places would go back to the idea of more intimate / secluded areas within the floor space.


The real trouble is that sound-deadening materials are either a fire hazard, or very expensive.

I'm willing to bet the curtains in the place Nich was at were the former, and the operators either didn't realise or didn't GAF.

 

I'd say it's the expense more than anything here. Ultimately the whole idea of the business is to make money.

So doing that with a minimalist approach is the go ... just a pity though. Makes it hard to sit and people watch with out

the people you're watching getting all in your face for giving them the heebies for watching them :D

As for the fire hazard. Wouldn't that be a council / health box to tick ?


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Posted 05 August 2015 - 07:17 AM

As for the fire hazard. Wouldn't that be a council / health box to tick ?


Dunno who give the all-clear on that, but it's irrelevant to the business, really
. Without the tick, you don't trade. As soon as the Authorities are looking at you, anyway - seems to be a lot of people breaking some rule or other and getting away with it.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 01:50 AM

The correct way to deal with screaming children is only one, when at a fancy restaurant.

Isolation.

 

Ive seen it only once or twice in my life,

 

Child gets fussy.

Is asked to quiet down.

Wont.

Begins to Scream!

Is picked up, taken outside. Sat down and talked to (or cradled, age depending) untill its quiet again.

Come back inside.

 

I know this is the age of ultimate lazyness, but come on, surely you can hold your damn kid.


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Posted 12 August 2015 - 07:29 PM

I wish there was child free dining in melbourne. I'd be there every second day. So many times I've turn around and left a cafe on seeing it was overrun with kids with more food on their person and floor than in their mouths, not to mention parents trying to force huge prams into spaces they clearly don't fit ... complete with screaming contents, disrupting everyone in their wake. One woman even changed a disgusting nappy in full view in the dining area. Fed up.

There are a tonne of child friendly places. Where are the adult friendly locations ?
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Posted 12 August 2015 - 07:46 PM

There are a tonne of child friendly places. Where are the adult friendly locations ?


Dunno if it's true where you are, but I've found kids to be inversely proportional to the expense of the establishment. By the time you get to silver-service, they're a rarity.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 09:13 PM

Babysitting costs too much and turds use this as an excuse to " show their little darlings a bit of life whilst still under the

protective wing of [ fill in the parent make-up here ] ".

 

We used to get taken camping, and have outdoor barb-e-cues and the like. That's how we experienced life under our folks

protective wing. On the occasions the olds went out one of us babysat the rest free of charge ;)

 

Back in the dark ages lots of places really frowned on the kids coming to dinner.


 

There are a tonne of child friendly places. Where are the adult friendly locations ?


Dunno if it's true where you are, but I've found kids to be inversely proportional to the expense of the establishment. By the time you get to silver-service, they're a rarity.

 

Not so much these days ... and when those with parents of 'well-to-do-ness' go to dinner their tantrums take on a pitch

to be much admired by sopranos. << I mean the operatic not the mafia kind.


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Posted 12 August 2015 - 10:21 PM

I wish there was child free dining in melbourne. I'd be there every second day. So many times I've turn around and left a cafe on seeing it was overrun with kids with more food on their person and floor than in their mouths, not to mention parents trying to force huge prams into spaces they clearly don't fit ... complete with screaming contents, disrupting everyone in their wake. One woman even changed a disgusting nappy in full view in the dining area. Fed up.

There are a tonne of child friendly places. Where are the adult friendly locations ?

theres a few.. I had a great cheap steak at Cotta in crown... https://www.crownmel...ts/casual/cotta
and you have to walk through the gaming floor so guaranteed, no kids.
I arrived just after 5:45 on a thursday, lots of seating, fast staff, and I had a great steak and beer for under $19.

Just avoid the roulette tables :(


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Posted 13 August 2015 - 08:20 AM

As a married man I never bothered about kids or babies, even crying ones at restaurants. It was just part of life.

Now as a father, when little Sofia acts out I feel bad for other patrons so I take her outside for a change of scenery, calm her down and bring her back in.

There don't need to be child-free restaurants.

But there do need to be restaurants that throw out irresponsible parents.
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Posted 13 August 2015 - 10:07 AM

As a married man I never bothered about kids or babies, even crying ones at restaurants. It was just part of life.

Now as a father, when little Sofia acts out I feel bad for other patrons so I take her outside for a change of scenery, calm her down and bring her back in.

There don't need to be child-free restaurants.

But there do need to be restaurants that throw out irresponsible parents.

 

Unfortunately its so much easier to just ban them rather than kicking out those that cause issues.

 

The irresponsible parents also tend to be the ones that scream loudest too (parent like child you could say).



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Posted 13 August 2015 - 08:35 PM

Now as a father, when little Sofia acts out I feel bad for other patrons so I take her outside for a change of scenery, calm her down and bring her back in.
 

Chibi hasn't arrived yet, but that's exactly how we plan on conducting ourselves. Obviously I can't say for sure how life is - or I am - going to change, but one thing/ideology/ethos we really want to subscribe to is to minimise the impact we have on others. Now, that's not to say that a baby or small child is going to be perfectly behaved all the time, when out in public. However, I hope I have the option of removing myself and chibi if and when the situation arises that it gets fussy/noisy/loud/annoying. And if the place we're going to is limited in how I can do that, then we will seriously reconsider even going. Case in point: live tennis tournament, such as the Brisbane International, wherein movement is restricted between points. Won't be taking chibi there.

 

This is our choice, not something the whole world needs to deal with on our behalf. If chibi fusses, he/she gets removed until he/she calms down. If we want to go to a nice restaurant, chibi gets a babysitter. But I'll be damned if I'll sit there and let the kid scream loudly and subject everyone else to that. 

 

Hell, when I was a kid, we had BBQ's and picnics and bushwalking. We were exposed to plenty of life that way :-p

 

So if a restaurant wants to restrict its patronage to people above a certain age, I'm all for it. That's their prerogative as a business owner. Got no problem with them doing that :-)


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Posted 13 August 2015 - 09:20 PM

" we really want to subscribe to is to minimise the impact we have on others. "

 

I would very strongly suggest that those of the above type sentiment are very rarely the cause of anyone else's displeasure.

 

If you can afford the venue then that's all that matters for some. They figure they're paying they can do as they feel inclined.

Which includes sharing the turbulent mood swings of their precious offspring. Everyone must respect their right to have the meal

how they desire it. Others don't come in at second placing, they don't rate at all. This is what sends me round the twist.

 

I've been in restaurants where the child of another table is obviously bored, so they might approach and chatter a bit till a parent

calls them back. I've no problem communicating with two footers, I just do not feel the need to share the tantrums of them or

their parents.

Totally different story were I at a park or some such, sharing an outdoor area with all and sundry. << this is not a likely event :P


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Posted 14 August 2015 - 06:59 PM

It's all fun and games until the child realises they can get a lot of attention by making a scene to be escorted out of a place they may not like for a number of reasons not including the noise level.


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