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#1 grifter

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Posted 04 May 2016 - 11:25 AM

Hey all,

 

Thanks so much for making me feel welcome in my Green Room "hello" post.

 

So, I really want to build a top notch gaming PC.

 

This came on after really enjoying playing games on my MacBook Pro. So I want to go deeper and discover what it's like to play games with max settings in the comfort of my own little battle station/home getaway zone. Sounds like a really enjoyable hobby that isn't "blowing heaps of money at the pub".

 

I have no experience in the tech side of computers (or tech anything else), so I'm greener than the Hulk. Although Bruce Banner would know how to do this in an instant!

 

So far, I've worked out what I think are the steps to PC building success:

 

Step 1: Research all the parts I need and work out if they play nicely together.

 

Step 2: Work out where to buy them in Australia, then surrender my wallet.

 

Step 3: Put it all together.

 

(Step 4: Instantly plan next build.)  ;)

 

I've heard this video is one of the most helpful:

 

I've watched it several times, and I'm still confused about how he knows what to plug in where. And do you need to buy all the cables separately?

 

Also, it seems like a bit of a lucky dip that the components you buy will fit in the case you choose. Or, are they rather universal slots?

 

And for picking parts, should I just browse forums and read recommendations? 

 

Thanks for coming along with me on this one guys. Will post pics and all the rest as things progress. 


Edited by grifter, 04 May 2016 - 11:26 AM.


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Posted 04 May 2016 - 03:58 PM

this one goes for close to two hours safe to say i havent watched it but it comes recommended for those that want extra detail

 

with cases & mb there is eatx atx matx itx

middle two are most common

some cases list a limitation for hsf height and gpu length otherwise there fairly universal


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Posted 04 May 2016 - 04:19 PM

I've watched it several times, and I'm still confused about how he knows what to plug in where. And do you need to buy all the cables separately?

 

Not usually. All of the cables required come with the parts, your power supply (PSU) will have the cables required to power all the other parts.  The plugs will match up to the receptacle on the part you are powering, pretty hard to stuff it up.

 

Also, it seems like a bit of a lucky dip that the components you buy will fit in the case you choose. Or, are they rather universal slots?

 

The slots on the motherboard are, as long as you take note to buy the right RAM (DDR3 or DDR 4 etc depending on the mobo), same goes with the CPU, you need a socket 1156 motherboard for a socket 1156 CPU. etc.  If you get a large video card then you might have trouble getting in to fit into a smaller case, ask here, or google or ask your retailer if the the parts you want to order will all fit together.

 

And for picking parts, should I just browse forums and read recommendations?

 

Decide what you want, (gaming, video editing or just web browsing/ desktop work), decide on a budget and then ask for advice.  You'll get parts recommendations that you then research from there.


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Posted 04 May 2016 - 04:32 PM

Thanks for the replies guys!

 

So I had an easy day today and attempted to put some parts together that I think seem like a good fit.

 

I'm guessing that the top results on PCPARTPICKER are the most popular?

 

What does everyone think? 

 

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/wZvHvK

 

Was trying to get a CPU cooler that had the thermal paste pre-installed.

 

Not sure about the case, wondering if it's too small? (Actually, not sure about everything! But they seem like quality parts.)


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Posted 04 May 2016 - 05:27 PM

Big spender eh?  :)

 

I'm not up on current prices sop can't help you there but 1) is 500gb going to be enough storage for you?  2) Note that the new nvidia graphics cards are due out fairly soon so you might see some discounting on the GTX-980 or spend the same amount on the new hardware when it arrives?


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Posted 05 May 2016 - 12:50 AM

you want at least a 3000mhz c14\c15 ram kit not a huge deal but it will improve cpu performance ~10% in games and costs very little extra

you could save some cash on the mb dont get me wrong its a nice mb for those that want to tweak there system but ~$200-250 gets you a decent mb

corsair h100i tend to be loud and dont really perform any better than a big hsf like nh-d15 provided the case has good airflow

new gpu should be out next month that are as fast as the 980ti but cheaper and use less power they should also perform better in dx12


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Posted 05 May 2016 - 09:36 AM

AMD are bring out a dual Fury X (overpriced) and nVidia are releasing the GTX1080, so prices should start moving down to get rid of old stock.

The Intel 6850K is also coming out soon.


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Posted 05 May 2016 - 11:30 AM

AMD are bring out a dual Fury X (overpriced) and nVidia are releasing the GTX1080, so prices should start moving down to get rid of old stock.

The Intel 6850K is also coming out soon.

its already out

$2199 https://www.pccasege...-r9-pro-duo-8gb

 

amd is also releasing Polaris around june with any luck

r7 460 to r9 490x which should compete with gtx1080 and 980ti performance

https://www.techpowe...lose-to-r9-390x


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Posted 05 May 2016 - 11:41 AM

"Fury X" - WTF.  Nice ripoff, did they ask Kingston if they minded that they stole their "HyperX Fury" branding?



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Posted 05 May 2016 - 12:42 PM

Big spender eh?  :)

 

I'm not up on current prices sop can't help you there but 1) is 500gb going to be enough storage for you?  2) Note that the new nvidia graphics cards are due out fairly soon so you might see some discounting on the GTX-980 or spend the same amount on the new hardware when it arrives?

 

Maybe I am being a bit full on, but I always spent around 3 to 4K on my laptops, so thought I'd just put that amount of cash into a desktop. Overkill?

 

I thought 500gig would be okay to start, then I can upgrade later. But maybe that's a pain and I should just do it all now.

 

Also, thanks for the warning about the new graphics cards.

 

Sounds like I should wait a few months... BUT I REALY DON'T WANT TO!  :(


you want at least a 3000mhz c14\c15 ram kit not a huge deal but it will improve cpu performance ~10% in games and costs very little extra

you could save some cash on the mb dont get me wrong its a nice mb for those that want to tweak there system but ~$200-250 gets you a decent mb

corsair h100i tend to be loud and dont really perform any better than a big hsf like nh-d15 provided the case has good airflow

new gpu should be out next month that are as fast as the 980ti but cheaper and use less power they should also perform better in dx12

 

Okay thank you mate.

 

I'll have to some research as not sure what those numbers mean in relation to RAM.

 

Sounds like I picked a dud CPU COOLER, will keep looking. Was kinda trying to find one that didn't require me putting on thermal paste.

 

And is the new GPU you're talking about the new graphics cards mentioned above? Thank you for your time.


AMD are bring out a dual Fury X (overpriced) and nVidia are releasing the GTX1080, so prices should start moving down to get rid of old stock.

The Intel 6850K is also coming out soon.

 

Okay thanks. Maybe I could still get the graphics card I picked, but for a much cheaper price if I wait for the new stuff to come out.


Edited by grifter, 05 May 2016 - 12:39 PM.


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Posted 05 May 2016 - 12:43 PM

500 Gig total storage won't go far for modern gaming.  Some games these days come in over 50 Gig installed.  Plenty more use over 10.



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Posted 05 May 2016 - 12:44 PM

 

AMD are bring out a dual Fury X (overpriced) and nVidia are releasing the GTX1080, so prices should start moving down to get rid of old stock.

The Intel 6850K is also coming out soon.

its already out

$2199 https://www.pccasege...-r9-pro-duo-8gb

 

amd is also releasing Polaris around june with any luck

r7 460 to r9 490x which should compete with gtx1080 and 980ti performance

https://www.techpowe...lose-to-r9-390x

 

 

Polaris is the new GPU/graphics card everyone is mentioning?

 

Also, what does the 1080 and 980 mean? Is that the speeds?



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Posted 05 May 2016 - 12:56 PM

1080, 980 - just model numbers.

 

But with graphics cards the model number usually gives a clue to the capability.  The system they use has been fairly consistent for years, used to be 4 digit numbering system but is now mainly 3.

 

e.g. old numbering system HD4870 (ATI/AMD) 8800GT (nVidia).

new system R9-380 (AMD) GTX750 (nVidia).

 

First number in both cases is the series/generation.  Tends to be cyclic going from 0 to 9.  New series releases are anything from 6 to 24 months apart.

Second number is the important one, refers to capability within the series.  0 to 3 is low end stuff.  4 to 6 is midrange.  7 to 9 is high end.

Last number/s often just zero, usually used to distinguish among variants of a particular model.

 

With comparing inter-generational cards from each company.  A 2 generations old high end card will often be similar in capabilty to current midrange card.  But it's not consistent.  Sometimes a "new" generation will just be a process size shrink with little else changing other than less power usage and heat generation.



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Posted 05 May 2016 - 12:56 PM

No that's just what nVidia call those cards, it's just a name.


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Posted 05 May 2016 - 02:19 PM

1080, 980 - just model numbers.

 

But with graphics cards the model number usually gives a clue to the capability.  The system they use has been fairly consistent for years, used to be 4 digit numbering system but is now mainly 3.

 

e.g. old numbering system HD4870 (ATI/AMD) 8800GT (nVidia).

new system R9-380 (AMD) GTX750 (nVidia).

 

First number in both cases is the series/generation.  Tends to be cyclic going from 0 to 9.  New series releases are anything from 6 to 24 months apart.

Second number is the important one, refers to capability within the series.  0 to 3 is low end stuff.  4 to 6 is midrange.  7 to 9 is high end.

Last number/s often just zero, usually used to distinguish among variants of a particular model.

 

With comparing inter-generational cards from each company.  A 2 generations old high end card will often be similar in capabilty to current midrange card.  But it's not consistent.  Sometimes a "new" generation will just be a process size shrink with little else changing other than less power usage and heat generation.

 

Thanks, this is really helpful.

 

So what does everything think, keep researching yet hold off buying until the new graphics cards are released? Or, stuff it and go ahead, as you have to jump in at some time and the GTX980ti will still beat out the new Pascal stuff for some time anyway?


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Posted 05 May 2016 - 05:27 PM

Rumours are nVidia pascal GTX1080 and GTX1070 will be released in May. I got no idea with AMD Polaris.

Have you got an old video card you can use in the meantime?


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Posted 05 May 2016 - 06:10 PM

you wont see anything much faster than 980ti till next year just cheaper and more efficient so if your happy to pay the premium go for it

 

to give you an idea of what the ram numbers mean

the higher the frequency the faster the ram but it has to be balanced with timings where the lower the better

all the numbers in the middle here are a rough calculation on the performance difference between them

for example 2133 divided by 12 =178

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the real world difference it makes is only evident when a game is cpu bound as faster ram improves cpu efficiency it doesnt help the gpu which has its own memory

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Edited by Dasa, 05 May 2016 - 06:13 PM.

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Posted 05 May 2016 - 07:16 PM

Rumours are nVidia pascal GTX1080 and GTX1070 will be released in May. I got no idea with AMD Polaris.

Have you got an old video card you can use in the meantime?

 

Nope. Just a very old MacBook Pro :D

 

And thank you DASA, that's very helpful.

 

With regards to price, how much do video cards generally drop when a new one comes out? Are we talking a dramatic drop straight away, or a gradual drop the older it gets?


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Posted 05 May 2016 - 09:24 PM

sometimes they dont drop in price

 

this time its not so much the 980ti that will drop in price but the new cards being made should offer similar performance at a lower price point

initial prices ore often still high  though if there is low stock


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Posted 05 May 2016 - 11:16 PM

I'm also a little confused about power supply.

 

How do you know what wattage you need?

 

And is the difference between gold, platinum, and all the other ratings a gimmick?

 

 

Also, if you get an M.2 SSD, should you just put the operating system and a few games on it? With most of your other games on a regular SSD?

 

 

Thanks guys.


Edited by grifter, 05 May 2016 - 11:17 PM.





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