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#21 Master_Scythe

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Posted 07 September 2016 - 08:45 AM




 

If a video is flagged for... say... weapons......
It'll get thrown into 'age restricted' but also have its ads derived from, fuck, I dunno, 'Johnsons Gun Emporium!' or some shit.

 

Age restricted videos can't be monetised. Never have been.

 

Thats a very closed attitude for you. You're acting like with new rules they cant create more new policies to help govern them.

 

If 60% of their income revenue starts getting flagged, they'll need 'adult ads' to keep their money coming in.

 

As you point out; adsense offers me adult stores while on porn sites; its pretty smart.


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#22 SquallStrife

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Posted 07 September 2016 - 09:33 AM

Thats a very closed attitude for you. You're acting like with new rules they cant create more new policies to help govern them.


Just being realistic.

Excluding age-restricted videos from monetisation has been there since day 1, I have no reason to believe they'd relax that, especially given the additional ineligible categories added last year.

Youtube is very stalwart. I'd like to think they could change and adapt, but I sincerely doubt they will, since they don't really need to.
 

If 60% of their income revenue starts getting flagged, they'll need 'adult ads' to keep their money coming in.


If that was even remotely close to being true, then sure, but look at the top 100 channels by views: http://socialblade.c.../100/mostviewed

What're the common themes? Music videos ([artist name]VEVO), content aggregators (Machinima, Movieclips, Watchmojo), media companies (EMI, GMM, Disney), and variety/comedy (Ellen Degeneres, Smosh, Pewdiepie).

If you switch over to top 100 by subscribers it's largely the same, but you start to see more of the variety channels like Vsauce, Dude Perfect, Slow Mo Guys, etc.

Those are the moneymakers, not the relatively niche channels affected by these policies.

Edited by SquallStrife, 07 September 2016 - 09:37 AM.

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#23 Master_Scythe

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Posted 07 September 2016 - 10:11 AM

 

Thats a very closed attitude for you. You're acting like with new rules they cant create more new policies to help govern them.


Just being realistic.

Excluding age-restricted videos from monetisation has been there since day 1, I have no reason to believe they'd relax that, especially given the additional ineligible categories added last year.

Youtube is very stalwart. I'd like to think they could change and adapt, but I sincerely doubt they will, since they don't really need to.
 

If 60% of their income revenue starts getting flagged, they'll need 'adult ads' to keep their money coming in.


If that was even remotely close to being true, then sure, but look at the top 100 channels by views: http://socialblade.c.../100/mostviewed

What're the common themes? Music videos ([artist name]VEVO), content aggregators (Machinima, Movieclips, Watchmojo), media companies (EMI, GMM, Disney), and variety/comedy (Ellen Degeneres, Smosh, Pewdiepie).

If you switch over to top 100 by subscribers it's largely the same, but you start to see more of the variety channels like Vsauce, Dude Perfect, Slow Mo Guys, etc.

Those are the moneymakers, not the relatively niche channels affected by these policies.

 

 

Oh I agree.

And with the broad stroke of the brush, they can all be offensive.

There are quite a few sexual themes, women with uncovered faces, videogames that might be M rated (pewdie), WWE has violence, Taylor swift has brushed on some pretty sexy topics before, Eminem is DEFINITELY red flagged, College Humor? For fucking sure!

Basically that entire list, with a couple of pointed kid related exceptions is FUCKED if they actually ENFORCE their rules.


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#24 SquallStrife

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Posted 07 September 2016 - 10:32 AM

Oh I agree.
And with the broad stroke of the brush, they can all be offensive.
There are quite a few sexual themes, women with uncovered faces, videogames that might be M rated (pewdie), WWE has violence, Taylor swift has brushed on some pretty sexy topics before, Eminem is DEFINITELY red flagged, College Humor? For fucking sure!
Basically that entire list, with a couple of pointed kid related exceptions is FUCKED if they actually ENFORCE their rules.


Age-restricted in Youtube parlance means 18+. M-level content is usually fine.

You're talking about this like YT have no visibility into what's on their network. They know what's on there, they know who their policy changes will affect, they can probably predict to within single dollars how much a given decision will affect the bottom line.

IMO: The policies are deliberately vague, a lot like our classification laws. They're designed to be a catch-all, but unlike our classification system where pieces of content are actively viewed by a panel and classified individually, Youtube (due to sheer volume) relies on viewer flagging and keyword heuristics, with a dispute system. At the dispute stage, judgement calls can be made.
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#25 Master_Scythe

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Posted 07 September 2016 - 11:50 AM

 

Oh I agree.
And with the broad stroke of the brush, they can all be offensive.
There are quite a few sexual themes, women with uncovered faces, videogames that might be M rated (pewdie), WWE has violence, Taylor swift has brushed on some pretty sexy topics before, Eminem is DEFINITELY red flagged, College Humor? For fucking sure!
Basically that entire list, with a couple of pointed kid related exceptions is FUCKED if they actually ENFORCE their rules.


Age-restricted in Youtube parlance means 18+. M-level content is usually fine.

You're talking about this like YT have no visibility into what's on their network. They know what's on there, they know who their policy changes will affect, they can probably predict to within single dollars how much a given decision will affect the bottom line.

IMO: The policies are deliberately vague, a lot like our classification laws. They're designed to be a catch-all, but unlike our classification system where pieces of content are actively viewed by a panel and classified individually, Youtube (due to sheer volume) relies on viewer flagging and keyword heuristics, with a dispute system. At the dispute stage, judgement calls can be made.

 

 

Yes but we've proven time and time again all it takes is a few hundred 'flags' to have it listed.

Yeah they can appeal it, but that's a lot of appeals to go through.

 

If I'm deadly serious for a moment;

If that new ruling doesn't ban Eminem from being able to Monetize, I'm going to completely nerd rage.

I cannot see a more offensive, adult themed channel on that list.

 

He has the right to "sing" about what he wants, but if we're flagging people with inappropriate content, I can't think of one song that qualifies as 'clean'.

Even his non swearing songs like the censored "stan" has VERY adult themes.


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"I don't care what race you are, not one f*cking bit, if you want to be seen as a good people, you go in there and you f*ck up the people who (unofficially) represent you in a negative light!"


#26 SquallStrife

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Posted 07 September 2016 - 11:54 AM

If I'm deadly serious for a moment;
If that new ruling doesn't ban Eminem from being able to Monetize, I'm going to completely nerd rage.
I cannot see a more offensive, adult themed channel on that list.
 
He has the right to "sing" about what he wants, but if we're flagging people with inappropriate content, I can't think of one song that qualifies as 'clean'.
Even his non swearing songs like the censored "stan" has VERY adult themes.


Something I'm not sure about are these MCN's like "VEVO" that seems to handle monetisation differently.

It could very well be that VEVO pays Youtube directly, and does their own out-of-band monetisation.

Edit: Eminem's videos are also HEAVILY censored on YT, not just the cuss words, but the keywords that make the songs make sense. But again, it comes back to judgement, the powers-that-be have obviously decided that Stan was "censored enough".

Edited by SquallStrife, 07 September 2016 - 12:02 PM.

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