I've been doing this for the better part of 14 years, and I've never seen a non-nerd, non-IT person use a phone as makeshift portable storage (unless you count media to be played on said device).
At the small end, there's a "dump everything in here" network share, and burning disks or (more recently) using USB keys.
Where I work now, there are almost too many ways to transport files between people, and in/out of the organisation. Network shares, OneDrive for Business, Skype for Business, EDM system, Office365, etc etc etc. All secured and audited.
Transporting files on a phone really seems like a bit of a bodge to me. Sure, you /can/, doesn't mean you should.
That's really odd to me, I believe you, but since 'Cloud Storage' became a thing, "One Drive" (with local copy enabled) has been like a key feature on peoples phones in my world.
As has Office365 mobile. and Adobe Acrobat.
Documents carried via phone has become totally norm the last 3 places I worked..... It's odd we've had such different experiences :)
Just very curious!
I meant in terms of what's on the market now, or at any given time. iPhone is ONE choice. You have dozens available to you. Why are you upset that this ONE choice doesn't cater to your personal usage habits?
Because this discussion started when you responded to me, saying I can now wave Android in the face of "Huur Durr, buy iPhone, is SO MUCH BETTER, for reasons I'm too derp to convey" crowd...
The whole discussion is based around defending myself from the ever more common "Outspoke iPhone elitist" crowd. Not about what I use, want, or need.
It's easy for you to say "just make that feature unsupported, just put it in an advanced area", but that's not how it works.
But it SHOULD be.
Because it's how every other device works.
FirefoxOS, Ubuntu Mobile, Windows Phone, Android, MeeGo, Symbian, BlackberryOS and I'm sure I'm forgetting a few.
They all offer support, many 1-on-1 (in the case of BB and MS, for sure), and they all have "advanced features" hidden away, with a nice super friendly user front experience for the 'general public'.
Really, your defence there is "apple can't be bothered helping it's users do anything complex". Which is kind of the point i'm making.
Sideloading being difficult (not impossible*), reinforces the value of the App Store platform. App developers can be more certain (not absolutely certain, but more certain) that their apps probably won't be pirated, because it's nowhere near as simple to pirate iOS apps, as it is to sideload an APK.
Sure it isn't impossible, but it's a path of sufficient resistance such that it makes it a more lucrative platform than Play Store. This is backed up by the numbers. Play Store has more downloads, but App Store makes way more money.
* (In the latest version of XCode, you can compile your own software and run it on your own iDevice, and also re-sign other people's IPA files and run them on your device.)
Does it though? If you take into account the money from Google Ads going to Google, PLUS the app developers income, does it make more? (actual question, not sarcasm).
I suppose that's a decent argument if correct, but that's one specific issue.
They covered that fine with 'Signatures' back in Symbian days.
Once again, hard but not impossible to pirate. Why not let me backup my signed apps to a unique ID'd IPA so I can reinstall offline?
Ah right, they want to profile me, always remember, in a controlled ecosystem, "the user is the product".
Themselves. Their product image. Their brand. App developers. Their platform.
Again with the victim complex, Apple aren't doing anything *to* the 10%, they just don't care about them. Not part of their target market. Ignoring them.
Yeah, we've done that in society before.
Ignoring the needs of the minority always makes for a well received and respected superpower.... or not.
Who gives a shit?
I thought it was pretty clear I do.
I value intelligence. And yes, it makes my blood boil when 'Captain 10k in debt' who doesn't even know what he actually owns, gets intellectual credit for 0 knowledge and 100% cash.
I've long theorized this is why people write malware.
In fact if iOS didn't exist, Android would probably be the same clunky piece of shit it was on my HTC Dream.
I'd have hoped they'd still have tried to reach BBOS or WinPhone and get a market share.
But maybe they'd have just given up?
As far as the "morons" are concerned, you can have your IRC.
Thank fuck! And where would we be without it?
I don't think there's a single more valuable source of information in existence.
I mean, I met the Japanese dude who helped program a specific IC of an ECU I was trying to decrypt, just by posting in the ECU development group.
Where else do you find those people?! They sure dont want to deal with the 'masses'.
"'Keep' us offline? Fuck you." - The lay folk.
My point 110%.
Yet us (clearly fucking meek) nerds, go out of our way to enable that sort of behavior.
We're like parents who give their obese kids 3rds of desert.
Enabling that sort of 'head in sand' behavior is just irresponsible.
Have you seen what those people post online?
If you're not willing to learn how to use a tool, then you can't use a tool.
I don't ask, nor expect... say... drop-saw companies to stop me being able to slice my arm off, they expect me to learn how to use a drop saw.
Yet we're expected to protect them from phishing, viruses, and "make it safer".
Making something safer, ultimately makes it less useful.
Note, "easier" is not the same. That's called an innovation, making something nicer without losing functionality.
Arguably it has moved forward, just not in a way that you would have personally done it.
Arguably is darn right.
Bluetooth is still a valid and heavily used communication stack, I'd expect it to work.
"Familiar" to you, as a long-time enthusiast desktop computer user. Remember that.
I don't know any, because I'm an introverted loser, but my sister has heaps of friends in their early to late 20s that own smartphones and don't own computers.
Sure, they use computers at school and work, but the concepts of files and folders are rote-learned as "thing to click to do or see X".
To them, the way smartphones handle photos and videos and messages as abstract objects, rather than forcing the user to deal with files, is far more natural.
It's not about "bringing everyones IQ down" (wtf are you serious?), it's about making the user more productive.
No, familiar to me as a smart phone user.
I used smart phones since the day they were invented. Back in 2000 with a Nokia Communicator; then a 7250, then Ngague, then NgagueQD, N95, the list goes on!
Symbian, WinPhone, BB, Android, MeeGo; all folders and files.
I have 2 friends who are 'phone only' users, no PC. They're 21yo's.
Something they CONSTANTLY struggle with, is how abstract it is.
They're often asking what's local and whats online, because in Australia, we don't have unlimited data.
It's so abstract, they're not sure whats on their phone, vs "in the cloud". And in many, many, many, countries, that's still important.
How is removing an area of access from a user, not denying knowledge?
Yep. Standard iOS 10 complaint. Related to the addition of lockscreen widgets.
It can mostly be fixed in Accessibility.
I don't notice because I use TouchID, and by the time I would have pushed the button again, I'm ID'd and the phone is unlocked, so eh.
And this is where my theory of "Apple keeping the free thinkers away" comes from.
And it's also the type of attitude all my research and time gets put toward defending against.
You bring a complaint to an apple user, and they are now OK, with "so eh" being a response. Can you fucking believe it?!
Yes, you heard correctly!
They find a fault with their (almost multi) THOUSAND DOLLAR device, and ACCEPT IT, as opposed to FIX IT (mainly, because THEY CAN'T ANYMORE!!!!!).
There ain't no registry edits, no custom build.prop, no .config file to fix this, its just "Bad" and they're "OK" with it.
These are the people you have to calmly prepare yourself to strap into a good 8 hour discussion with them, because their mind is already warped to complacency.
Probably going to take a while to 'wake them up'.
See comment Re: Xcode.
Fair cop, that's new, but, you're right.
It's still no replacement for compiling a "fixed kernel" but it's a step in the right direction.
Edited by Master_Scythe, 12 January 2017 - 11:53 AM.