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#41 Jeruselem

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 01:04 PM

http://www.abc.net.a...ll-says/8451512

 

That "armada" supposedly to be sent to NK was sent to .. Australia


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 01:28 PM

That "armada" supposedly to be sent to NK was sent to .. Australia



...Getting the feeling that the DoD is kinda giving Trump an unplugged controller on this game.

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 02:15 PM

I don't think you quite understand the tactics going on or the over-dramatised language.

 

First, we are an ally and as such a good staging point for the USN plus we share the same aircraft so if any F/A-18s need maintenance beyond what can be done on-board we have the skills to assist.

 

Second, a carrier group is not an "armada," the Carl Vinson group currently consists of some significant warships but primarily they are there to defend the carrier, not forming part of an attack group. The whole point is to have the carrier far enough out to make it difficult to attack and have the air wings do the strikes. It may surprise some but having been on a number of US and other nation's carriers they in general do not have a great deal in the way of self-defense capability beyond CWIS and some anti-aircraft missiles, but not many of the latter, the Ticonderogas are there for just that reason. After all, launch all your aircraft and you had best have other means of protection if the other guy comes at you - I'd not recommend tangling with a Ticonderoga...

 

Third, it's Washington brinkmanship to a degree, announce one thing do another, there is a second carrier group not too far from the east coast of NK, certainly close enough to strike what matters.

 

I don't like Trump much, I guess that is obvious, but this game is being played quite well.

 

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 06:02 PM

I don't like Trump much, I guess that is obvious, but this game is being played quite well.


I don't like Trump at all, and I will point out that he's actually made a point of saying that he delegates everything - and by that he pretty much has to mean "This department is yours, now fuck off and don't bother me unless the house is on fire - I have 6 hours of Fox to watch today".  If the game is being played well, it's because somebody in the Pentagon knows what they're doing.  Which is next to miraculous, considering every other appointment he's made (who seem to have been chosen specifically to destroy their portfolios).


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 04:38 AM

Hmm,

 

The Pentagon can be an odd place but he's not going to be removing the decision-makers from there, I'll bet the ones that matter already have a dirt file on him ;)

 

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 09:47 AM

Hmm,

 

The Pentagon can be an odd place but he's not going to be removing the decision-makers from there, I'll bet the ones that matter already have a dirt file on him ;)

 

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 02:09 PM

:)

 

I THINK I'm still welcome there but I doubt I'll ever bother to go again.

 

I've never quite come to terms with a place that controls more firepower than anywhere else on earth but you have to check your firearms at the entrance under the watchful gaze of guards who are literally armed and armored to the teeth :)

 

There are many stories I could tell of my stints there - crazy place :)

 

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 02:13 PM

:)

 

I THINK I'm still welcome there but I doubt I'll ever bother to go again.

 

I've never quite come to terms with a place that controls more firepower than anywhere else on earth but you have to check your firearms at the entrance under the watchful gaze of guards who are literally armed and armored to the teeth :)

 

There are many stories I could tell of my stints there - crazy place :)

 

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What's this red button do?

 

:P


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 03:41 PM

 

:)

 

I THINK I'm still welcome there but I doubt I'll ever bother to go again.

 

I've never quite come to terms with a place that controls more firepower than anywhere else on earth but you have to check your firearms at the entrance under the watchful gaze of guards who are literally armed and armored to the teeth :)

 

There are many stories I could tell of my stints there - crazy place :)

 

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What's this red button do?

 

:P

 

:) From the Pentagon?

 

Provably an auto coffee order, the big red button is in Cheyenne Mountain, among other places, with supposed adults :)

 

It doesn't work that way of course but it sort of has to be fast and fast to shut down as well - MAD is just that...

 

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 03:12 PM

Hmm,

 

The USAF is apparently deploying a WC-135 to South Korea.

 

They've not to my knowledge ever bothered to do that before. That aircraft is kind of ancient -all the -135 series are Boeing 707 based but no one has really ever seen a reason to replace them, they do the job and do it well.

 

The WC- is probably the rarest of them all, packed full of air sampling and radiation sensors, they are usually in Europe, I flew top cover on them a few times way back when.

 

Usually a nuclear test by NK is so obvious there's little point but apparently someone knows something that has not been made public.

 

Should keep the local fighter jocks in business for a few days :)

 

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Posted 22 April 2017 - 08:40 PM


The world will tolerate anything they can't see.

A few weeks ago we bombed some place in Mosul, 200 civilians dead. But because there weren't reporters at the scene, everyone's already forgotten about it.

Israel kills 3 kids on a beach playing among Hamas naval military installations and it's news for weeks because every reporter is in there, covering every inch of the joint.

The media and the UN are the reason the world is so fucked up. We're not allowed to finish wars any more.

All that does is perpetuate the conflict. Look what happens when a war is allowed to finish between a civilian government and terrorists - LTTE.

As for saturation bombing, sure we don't have that many B-2s or B-52s any more but we have A-10s as well now. Sure they're not as good, but they do quite a nice job with infantry, artillery, tanks, etc.

The other advantage we have is that the North has absolutely nothing. After a very short air war (a la 1967) we'll have total sky supremacy.

For fucks sake, at that point you could take a page out of Assad's book and start barrel bombing the North Korean troops.

But to your question as to how we'd reduce the North to rubble... may I suggest a few thermobaric weapons - they weren't available during WW2 but they're extremely effective against people and structures.

BLU-96, MOAB, etc.

It's not the weapons, FAEs are very effective but delivery is the issue.
 
The USAF keeps trying to get rid of the A-10 and its numbers are down as well, but it's a tank killer, not a strategic bomber, very ill- suited to task. No, if you wanted to go heavy bomb assault, which I don't think is such a good idea, you;d have to go see what might be stored up at Davis Monthan and then see if anyone still knows how to fly let alone maintain them.
 
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The A-10 deals nicely with infantry as well.

And while their numbers are down... There's still almost 300 of them with a service life to at least 2022 and maybe even 2040.

300 A-10s with thermobaric/fae payloads will really, really fuck shit up, especially if the B-52s and B-2s get involved over the cities.

The North Koreans aren't like the Viet Cong. They're not rice farmers living in forest. I don't think they could pull off what the VC did.

Admittedly they have a shitload of forest, it's almost 75% of the country but half the land area of Vietnam's.

I don't like Trump much, I guess that is obvious, but this game is being played quite well.


I don't like Trump at all, and I will point out that he's actually made a point of saying that he delegates everything - and by that he pretty much has to mean "This department is yours, now fuck off and don't bother me unless the house is on fire - I have 6 hours of Fox to watch today".  If the game is being played well, it's because somebody in the Pentagon knows what they're doing.  Which is next to miraculous, considering every other appointment he's made (who seem to have been chosen specifically to destroy their portfolios).

The reason the world is so fucked up, even more so than after Bush, is because Obambi didn't let people do their jobs or make decisions.

Pentagon decisions were made in the WH.

He was that annoying middle manager that was the bottleneck for everything and infantilised everyone by taking their decision making powers.

The reason ISIS is/was in Iraq is because Obambi overruled advice to stay in Iraq, calling ISIS a junior varsity player.
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Posted 23 April 2017 - 03:32 AM


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On another note, the reason I dropped off the map for a week is that I'm currently in Thailand and was on Koh Samed with my wife, little one and my parents in law.

They're the ones who tell me the internal situation in Russia and I extrapolate it to North Korea.

Russia raised pensions this year by 0.3%. My mother-in-law's pension has gone up by 20 roubles a month. My father-in-law's, by 7.

I dare anyone to convert that to dollars.

I double dare you.

Russia cannot afford much more of Syria. The sanctions are crippling the regional areas.

It started with the villages.

It's now hit regional centres. Businesses where my in-laws live in Kurgan, are closing. People aren't buying.

I'm going to start giving them $300 a month. To live a better life in that shit hole of a country.

That is double the average wage in that city. Even accounting for the ruble's fall, that kind of money was average wage less than a year ago when I took the family there in August '16.

I don't know a single North Korean to ask them about the economy. I know it looks worse than Russia's from the outside.

And they're supporting a massive army, living on the edge of starvation.

I don't think Russia has the capability to extend itself much further. The adventure in Syria, so far from borders + sanctions is really really hurting.

Can North Korea sustain supply lines and any kind of economy with a war in its own territory, as its cities lie in ruins?

I don't think so.
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Posted 23 April 2017 - 05:04 AM

:)

 

Lets get something straight Leo, I have thousands of hours of flying time and most of my closest friends still do the job, I'd love to but my health sort of prohibits it and quite possibly will continue to do so, my race might be run, but we'll see :)

 

A-10s are built around an enormous cannon, specifically designed to kill tanks, yes they have wing hard-points, typically two will be taken up by self-defense Sidewinders and one by a jam pod, they cannot exactly run away in a hurry. That does not leave much room for FAE bombs and I'm told they never carry them nor do they have an anti-infantry mission, their biggest enemy really is a single infantry-man with a MANPAD- they'd probably survive the hit but they'd have to leave the battle,

 

In short, anti-infantry is not their mission, they have always been AT.

 

CAS anti-infantry is too much like hard work, if you think FAEs will work, fine, drop from altitude from F-15Es, but be aware the modern battlefield rarely has a lot of troops in any one place...It's not like past set-piece battles...

 

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Posted 23 April 2017 - 06:07 AM

Do you have flight time and experience on the A-10?

Because I swear I don't, yet here I am reading about it providing CAS to infantry, shooting at opposing infantry.

The thing about an A-10 is that it was brought out as a tank/artillery killer, but it's a lot more now - it's great for infantry too. Its GAU-8 is obviously a first choice - that thing will really fuck up a platoon - especially when using HEI ammo.

But besides that... it carries the CBU-87, a cluster munition. And if you really want to give someone a headache, the A-10 can carry a CBU-89 GATOR mine system - which is both anti-personnel and anti-tank.

It also carries the MK general purpose bombs which do just fine against infantry given their extensive blast radius and fragmentation. It can also hold HEI rockets in its pods.
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Posted 23 April 2017 - 09:41 AM

Well yes, it CAN do all that but not on one air-frame at any one time, systems interconnections do not quite work that way.

 

In answer to your question. no, not really I flew intercept, but I did do about a dozen hours on the A-10 out of pure curiosity- at some exercise somewhere, I used to do so many but it was probably a Red Flag, as easy to fly as a Cessna, and I'd guess that was design intent.

 

It's never quite that simple in CAS Leo, nice to know what the need is before you load up and most of the time the ground guys don't really know, or know what you can load...

 

We intercept guys tend to be lazy - same load every time :)

 

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Posted 23 April 2017 - 12:25 PM

A10 is a tank killer, it's not designed for anti personnel or other types of missions. It's a flying gun gattling with effectively with additional ordinance.

That's why we have multi role hornets, falcons and eagles.

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Posted 23 April 2017 - 12:29 PM

A10 is a tank killer, it's not designed for anti personnel or other types of missions. It's a flying gun gattling with effectively with additional ordinance.


What it was designed for and what it now does are different things.

It IS a tank killer.

But it has been fitted subsequently with a weapons layout that only makes sense of anti-personnel work.

The MK general purpose bombs would only really kill a modern tank if you ripped it into the open hatch.

The air-deployed mine field is good against light tanks and personnel.

The cannon is good against anything that moves but with HEI ammo, it wreaks havoc on personnel.
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Posted 23 April 2017 - 03:34 PM

In a way you are right Leo but most of that "role expansion" is the USAF wanting to make the A-10 remain relevant because for a time when the USSR fell apart it was not particularity of use. Now, with the resurgence of Russia, it is just about the only weapon that could be a deterrent to the T-14.

 

I know a very seasoned infantry guy who after taking a look at intel on that thing remarked you need either a pony- nuke or an A-10 to stop it, forget anti-tank rockets.

 

Having twice seen an A-10 firing pass, the first in utter awe the second with a bit more attention to detail, I can only agree with him, that gun was unreal 25 years ago, I'll bet it is even better now.

 

I'm well and truly on record here and many other places as finding DU shells despicable but hell, not much armor can withstand them.

 

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Posted 23 April 2017 - 04:49 PM

I reckon a few A-19s on a strafing run can pretty much demoralised any army without CAS.

That gun plus the other nifty things you can strap onto an A-10, make it the close equivalent of carpet bombing.

But it's not just A-10s you could use.

There's the AC-130Us. There's only 50 of them, but the basics are, it has a cannon out the port side (or 2) and it pylon turns around the target.

That thing really really fucks personnel up.
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Posted 23 April 2017 - 05:20 PM

:)

 

 You hit the wrong key, 9 next to 0 but never mind, I think we understood :)

 

AC-130 is a completely different weapon , only ever seen one once, reminded me why the army was not a force I wanted to join :)

 

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