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#21 chrisg

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 12:25 PM

Black ice is a bastard, it takes a while to melt even if air temperature rises.

 

Growing up in the UK we were hyper aware of it but it still gave us the odd scare, in Surrey in January when I had a Mustang, not the the most grippy of cars I'd swoop out the regular tires for studs via a mate I had in a tyre shop - cost a few quid but when you hear that crunch you know it was worth it...

 

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 12:31 PM

You don't get ice unless the temperature has been freezing for a decent amount of time.  Black ice is the worst, called that because you don't see it.  In ice you'll almost always get understeer first as a clue that it's around.  Ice can linger if it's in shade or foggy conditions though fog usually means cloud cover and that usually means it stays above freezing.

My guess would be more along the lines of something like a fluid (oily) spill that's unsettled the rear end.

 

Ive been humming and harring and figuring out what could have possibly ended up happening.

My theory is thus.

 

The road is a 70kmph road.

The mountain is popular for hoons because even at 70kmph the mountain is a dangerous, challenging drive. (aka drive hard, no chance of being got for speeding).

I entered the corner at roughly 60km, a little below I'd wager, and felt the weight of the car go 'odd'. I can't explain how, it was just 'wrong'.

Clearly it was too fast for that corner, despite driving that mountain nearly 4 times a week.

 

This is where I have to start guessing;

Being a right hander, the rear would have overtaken the front by swinging left

I remember countersteering it and jumping on the gas (FWD, trying to pull it straight, I've done 2 skid control days, and 2 defensive driving courses).

 

I don't remember actually getting any traction, and I know for absolute fact that DC5's have a horrible counter lock.

 

Long story short, the front of the car clearly went off the cliff first, and nearly straight, as it was unharmed (so must have been a 4 wheel diagonal slide at this point)

The rear quarter collected a tree and managed to stop me falling off the 7m drop at the edge of the cliff.

 

Theory 1: I fucked up beyond description

Counter: The person behind me said they didn't see me do anything odd, no sudden braking or jolting steering.

 

Theory 2: Something was on that road. It managed to unhinge my Pirelli P7's, which is quite a feat; even doing handbrake turns on wet grass, they want to hold.

It had JUST started spitting rain, so, there's always that....

 

Theory 3: One tire was hissing to flat as I got out of the car. I didn't hit anything with that side of the vehicle. It's possible I had a tire let go.

 

I'll never know. But the loss of my car still hurts. It meant the world to me. My escape from the demons in my head late at night.

 

Ah well, just gotta buy a new one ASAP.


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Posted 05 July 2017 - 12:48 PM

Depends where you are but here there's usually long periods of dry and the first rain in some weeks usually turns the roads into skating rinks until the accumulated crud gets washed away.



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Posted 05 July 2017 - 04:11 PM

Oh hell yeah, after a long dry spell around here and then it rains I drive like I'm on skates for a day or so and believe me, I've driven in some VERY icy places and have damned good tyres.

 

The old saying about really you only have four handprints on the road is so true...

 

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Posted 08 July 2017 - 08:27 AM

 

 

 

I tend to get stuck with one big conflict though.

I dont want an XR6T.

But I'd like a RWD car that's comfortable, fast, and able to be modified.....

which means I want an XR6T.... which I dont.....

blech.

 

 

 

big, comfy, rwd and loves the mods? I feel like I've driven you around in something that meets those criteria.


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Posted 08 July 2017 - 10:52 AM

 

 

 

 

I tend to get stuck with one big conflict though.

I dont want an XR6T.

But I'd like a RWD car that's comfortable, fast, and able to be modified.....

which means I want an XR6T.... which I dont.....

blech.

 

 

 

big, comfy, rwd and loves the mods? I feel like I've driven you around in something that meets those criteria.

 

 

You just wont rest untill i'm in a Cefiro will ya? :P


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Posted 08 July 2017 - 11:03 AM

Cefiros are great, float like a maxima, sting like a skyline.

 

I miss mine sometimes.

 

I do suggest you seriously look in to something LS powered though, they're cheap these days and anything the Barra can do, the LS can do better. The only real reason it's taken so long for me to get another one is that I want a manual in a car that isn't red or black.


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Posted 10 July 2017 - 11:58 AM

I wrote off my first car by losing it on an unsealed bend, hitting a tree. The tree actually stopped me from plummeting down a 50m embankment.  I can tell you for sure I wasn't going over the speed limit, but I was obviously going too fast for the conditions.  Cops didn't get involved, I rang the police, but they said if I reported it I could be charged with negligent or dangerous driving, and the insurance company didn't insist. But I learned a very important lesson that day. I wasn't injured, nor was my brother who was in the passenger seat. Neither of us ended up going to the hospital.  Later that night, I suffered some minor shock (weak, nausea, cold sweat etc) but ultimately recovered ok.

 

The insurance company took the wreck, the excess (and underage excess), the rego (10 months worth) and the rest of the premium, and sent me a cheque for $1700

 

Unfortunately, I spent the meagre insurance cheque on some outstanding debts, and went about 5 years without another car.


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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:33 AM

I wrote off my first car by losing it on an unsealed bend, hitting a tree. The tree actually stopped me from plummeting down a 50m embankment.  I can tell you for sure I wasn't going over the speed limit, but I was obviously going too fast for the conditions.  Cops didn't get involved, I rang the police, but they said if I reported it I could be charged with negligent or dangerous driving, and the insurance company didn't insist. But I learned a very important lesson that day. I wasn't injured, nor was my brother who was in the passenger seat. Neither of us ended up going to the hospital.  Later that night, I suffered some minor shock (weak, nausea, cold sweat etc) but ultimately recovered ok.

 

The insurance company took the wreck, the excess (and underage excess), the rego (10 months worth) and the rest of the premium, and sent me a cheque for $1700

 

Unfortunately, I spent the meagre insurance cheque on some outstanding debts, and went about 5 years without another car.

 

Sounds similar to be honest.

 

Luckily the laws seem to have changed a bit.

I don't have an age excess anymore; and while the Insurance takes the Rego, they add that to the payout.


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Posted 13 July 2017 - 08:52 AM

Cefiros are great, float like a maxima, sting like a skyline.

 

I miss mine sometimes.

 

I do suggest you seriously look in to something LS powered though, they're cheap these days and anything the Barra can do, the LS can do better. The only real reason it's taken so long for me to get another one is that I want a manual in a car that isn't red or black.

 

I can't go LS, the rego is too much because I always own 2 cars and a bike.

Id make the exception for a 'fixed' swap; RX7\8, BRZ, Silvia, etc. I'd pay to have an LS one of those.

 

I ended up finding a Honda Accord Euro with low K's and grabbed that.

Honestly? I hate it.

Test driving in the city, it felt nippy and 'light' for a medium sized car.

Also, coming from a K20 powerplant, I felt confident in the K24.

 

On the open road, it's heavy, disconnected, and uninspiring.

 

There's nothing wrong with it, it's in near perfect nic. Had one shopping centre ding in the door, and the interior is perfect (rare) black leather.

I got a real steal! and if it was a family car for going to the gold coast weekly, It'd be AMAZING, but I'm a single guy. and it's "Too much car" (features, not power) for me to enjoy it.

 

However, the owner was a long-term tourist from France who left 2 months rego on it for me, so I have 2 months to find something I like and sell this Euro to someone else who needs a bargain.

 

I'm happy I got a crazy deal, and it's SUPER NICE, it's just not "my car"....


Edited by Master_Scythe, 13 July 2017 - 08:52 AM.

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Posted 13 July 2017 - 09:33 AM

Bemusing feeling is that, I once had the reverse.

 

My ex-wife without my knowledge traded MY Fiat X1/9 in on a Fiat Regatta, for the right reason, kid on the way, but the Regatta in town was horrible. The only time I ever enjoyed it was on a country drive to see my folks in the Barossa. I don't know what Fiat were thinking about with that car.

 

I certainly did not keep it long, a Lancia Beta coupe far better suited and actually cost less.

 

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Posted 13 July 2017 - 11:54 AM

Bemusing feeling is that, I once had the reverse.

 

My ex-wife without my knowledge traded MY Fiat X1/9 in on a Fiat Regatta, for the right reason, kid on the way, but the Regatta in town was horrible. The only time I ever enjoyed it was on a country drive to see my folks in the Barossa. I don't know what Fiat were thinking about with that car.

 

I certainly did not keep it long, a Lancia Beta coupe far better suited and actually cost less.

 

Cheers

 

Yeah this car wont be around long.

I'll polish up the shopping centre ding as best I can (one reason I got it cheap), and re-secure the corner of the front bar (same incident).

That's the only external damage.

 

Internal is near spotless!!!!

 

Driveline seems fine.

 

Just gotta get rid of it. It's too big. I really want a Silvia or another Integra, early Civic would work.

It's a shame MX5's look so Girly.

 

Might consider bosozoku styling a Daihatsu Mira, is is the craze at the moment in QLD.

Dunno.

 

This is just a bank managers car really. Someone who wants 6 speaker, 6 airbag, and might take a family out.

 

It really didnt feel that bad in the test drive. But it's because I was zipping around the city. Top speed of 60.

Lesson learnt I guess.


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Posted 13 July 2017 - 02:11 PM

:)

 

Take an MX-5 for a drive and put your boot down - it wont feel girly then :)

 

I don't think you could get one of my beloved Peugeots in your budget, but you never know, 307 and even 308s are pretty good on the second hand market and owners tend to look after them. If interested don't be afraid of high mileage, the engines are bullet-proof :)

 

Also don't believe the crap about Euro parts being expensive, they are not, especially with French cars.

 

However it sounds like you want to stay Japanese, can't help much there, last I owned was a forgettable people mover - kids :) I do occasionally drive my wife's Lancer, nice car, probably not your style, but for around town it is good :)

 

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Posted 13 July 2017 - 04:30 PM

:)

 

Take an MX-5 for a drive and put your boot down - it wont feel girly then :)

 

I don't think you could get one of my beloved Peugeots in your budget, but you never know, 307 and even 308s are pretty good on the second hand market and owners tend to look after them. If interested don't be afraid of high mileage, the engines are bullet-proof :)

 

Also don't believe the crap about Euro parts being expensive, they are not, especially with French cars.

 

However it sounds like you want to stay Japanese, can't help much there, last I owned was a forgettable people mover - kids :) I do occasionally drive my wife's Lancer, nice car, probably not your style, but for around town it is good :)

 

Cheers

 

We have a 307 in the family.

 

It drives like a bucket of shit, always has.

 

Its had an engine stutter for over 40'000kms and the dealership cant fix it, despite spending over $5k in "Diagnostics".

 

Everything about the 307 (it's a 2006 or 2008....)  is absolute GARBAGE


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Posted 13 July 2017 - 06:45 PM

:)

 

Mine's a 2003, maybe they messed up later ;)

 

Some idiot left a ding in my rear bumper yesterday, plastic, looks like it will pullout ok :)

 

I think I'm getting to be just over cars - too many hassles and expenses, but have your fun - I did at your age :)

 

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Posted 13 July 2017 - 11:10 PM

 

So get an XR6T.

I'm 2 years into my non-turbo XR6 and I love it.

Screw the haters. You don't need a ricer.

 

No, I'm luckily i'm past the 'need a ricer' stage too, I just prefer them.

XR6T's are just so pedestrian.

Fast, fun and cool... but.... 4 door sedan with boring lines.

 

Supra's and Skyline's are pretty cheap. But not 3 grand cheap.. you'll have to get a loan.

 

Not sure you how went from Accord Euro to XR6T though Scythe. :D hahaha


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Posted 14 July 2017 - 08:57 AM

 

 

So get an XR6T.

I'm 2 years into my non-turbo XR6 and I love it.

Screw the haters. You don't need a ricer.

 

No, I'm luckily i'm past the 'need a ricer' stage too, I just prefer them.

XR6T's are just so pedestrian.

Fast, fun and cool... but.... 4 door sedan with boring lines.

 

Supra's and Skyline's are pretty cheap. But not 3 grand cheap.. you'll have to get a loan.

 

Not sure you how went from Accord Euro to XR6T though Scythe. :D hahaha

 

 

I like a lot of shit :P

and I thought I'd practice what I preach for a change, Euros have been my number 1 suggestion to anyone wanting an amazingly featured, safe, cheap car.

 

It's actually a super pleasant drive! But that's the problem. No driver feedback and too much "smart computer shit" making the drive smooth. No, when I stomp on the gas, I expect acceleration, even if I make you bunny hop!

 

I also have 2 inner CV's to change on it. I'll do that this weekend.


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Posted 14 July 2017 - 09:39 AM

That's a good outcome.

 

My brother was in a single vehicle accident a few years ago and the first cop on the scene literally rode his ass for being such a terrible person and he copped a fine for "Losing Control of a Motor Vehicle" ... my blood was boiling when I heard his story.


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Posted 14 July 2017 - 12:54 PM

If you want a project car, find a little Charade and do an after-market turbo job ;p


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Posted 14 July 2017 - 06:01 PM

 

 

 

So get an XR6T.

I'm 2 years into my non-turbo XR6 and I love it.

Screw the haters. You don't need a ricer.

 

No, I'm luckily i'm past the 'need a ricer' stage too, I just prefer them.

XR6T's are just so pedestrian.

Fast, fun and cool... but.... 4 door sedan with boring lines.

 

Supra's and Skyline's are pretty cheap. But not 3 grand cheap.. you'll have to get a loan.

 

Not sure you how went from Accord Euro to XR6T though Scythe. :D hahaha

 

 

I like a lot of shit :P

and I thought I'd practice what I preach for a change, Euros have been my number 1 suggestion to anyone wanting an amazingly featured, safe, cheap car.

 

It's actually a super pleasant drive! But that's the problem. No driver feedback and too much "smart computer shit" making the drive smooth. No, when I stomp on the gas, I expect acceleration, even if I make you bunny hop!

 

I also have 2 inner CV's to change on it. I'll do that this weekend.

 

CV joints... eesh.


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