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#21 SceptreCore

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 12:45 AM

Steve Walton's review:

https://www.techspot...-core-i7-8700k/

He really rates the 8700K

 


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Posted 06 October 2017 - 08:26 AM

8600k $389au 4.9ghz with avx 5.3ghz without

its a bit of a beast for games although there is a few games that seem to benefit in the min fps with ht on the i7

 

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 11:49 PM

https://youtu.be/ysAdXfhqGtU

 

The Core i3 could be the new budget gaming king. The only thing stopping is it lack of budget chipset boards, and they won't be available till Q1 2018 (What the hell?)

 

Also... It seems that retail versions might not overclock to the same high frequencies to the ones that Intel sent out to reviewers.


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 01:15 PM

 

The 8700k is definitely an impressive CPU. It even smashes productivity workloads at 5GHz, matching an 1800X @4GHz, and sometimes besting it by loads, but that might be down to a lack of good optimization, or Ryzen's lack of IPC

 

Zen is definitely a server product first. AMD don't have the money to do a ring bus style interconnect, and make two different kinds of CPU's. I guess that's why they're pushing cutting edge nodes like 7nm to try and make up any difference. If they can work out how to get higher clocks, and IPC improvements on 12nm then they may be able to be close to Coffee Lake in gaming and retain that productivity advantage.

 

They want to hope it's good enough though, because when the cheaper CL boards arrive, then the i3's and i5's will put them back down again.


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Posted 26 October 2017 - 08:33 PM

http://www.tomshardw...-cpu,35632.html

 

https://www.ebay.com...ssPageName=GSTL

 

Short supply has resulted in some serious scalping.


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Posted 31 October 2017 - 03:30 PM

Intel will ship low volumes of its first 10-nanometer chips this year

 

It seems that manufacturing of Intel’s follow-up to its Coffee Lake chips—the 10-nanometer Cannon Lake—is on target. The new CPUs are due to arrive in 2018, but Intel has confirmed that low volumes will be shipping before this year is out.

 

Intel’s chips have been stuck on the 14-nanometer process since Broadwell was released back in 2014. There have been refinements and optimizations, of course, culminating in the recently released 14nm++ Coffee Lake CPUs, but we’ve been waiting impatiently for the delayed jump to 10-nanometer parts, which were supposed to arrive in 2016.

 

At the company’s latest earnings call, CEO Brian Krzanich said Intel is “on track to ship our first low-volume 10-nanometer part by the end of the year.” But they're unlikely to make their way into the hands of consumers until production increases in 2018. Krzanich expects “high volume and system availability in the second half of 2018.”

 

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In August, Intel suggested that Cannon Lake will fall under the same 8th-generation Core series umbrella as Kaby Lake Refresh and Coffee Lake. It's Cannon Lake’s follow-up, Ice Lake, that will be the first 9th generation Core chip.

 

It’s speculated that Canon Lake will be focused on smaller, mobile CPUs that are easier to make when chip yields are poor. The larger Ice Lake desktop processors will arrive once the fabrication process has been improved and refined to 10nm+. Don’t expect to see these until late 2018, or perhaps even 2019, though we'll probably find out more at CES in January.

 

So... okay. Kaby Lake Refresh is also mobile CPU's and part of the 8th gen series.

 

I'm confused. Intel releases and replaces things too damn fast.


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Posted 31 October 2017 - 05:26 PM

lol 10nm products will be popping up before there is even sufficient stock of 14nm coffelake


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 03:24 PM

HOLY FLIPPING CRAP BATMAN!!!

 

https://newsroom.int...k-thin-devices/

 

New Intel Core Processor Combines High-Performance CPU with Custom Discrete Graphics from AMD to Enable Sleeker, Thinner Devices

 

 

The new product, which will be part of our 8th Gen Intel Core family, brings together our high-performing Intel Core H-series processor, second generation High Bandwidth Memory (HBM2) and a custom-to-Intel third-party discrete graphics chip from AMD’s Radeon Technologies Group* – all in a single processor package.

 

It’s a prime example of hardware and software innovations intersecting to create something amazing that fills a unique market gap. Helping to deliver on our vision for this new class of product, we worked with the team at AMD’s Radeon Technologies Group. In close collaboration, we designed a new semi-custom graphics chip, which means this is also a great example of how we can compete and work together, ultimately delivering innovation that is good for consumers.

 

“Our collaboration with Intel expands the installed base for AMD Radeon GPUs and brings to market a differentiated solution for high-performance graphics,” said Scott Herkelman, vice president and general manager, AMD Radeon Technologies Group. “Together we are offering gamers and content creators the opportunity to have a thinner-and-lighter PC capable of delivering discrete performance-tier graphics experiences in AAA games and content creation applications. This new semi-custom GPU puts the performance and capabilities of Radeon graphics into the hands of an expanded set of enthusiasts who want the best visual experience possible.”

 

I... Am... Shocked....

 

Who of us even thought we would see this is in our lifetime? AMD and Intel collaborating on something! Intel simply aren't a company you can trust. But I hope they're honorable in this case. I hope that AMD thought it through to protect their market and sales, their lawyers plugged every loophole, and their IP is protected.

 

Vega is less than great in the high-end as we've seen, but shows it can work great in DX12 titles, but where Vega really shines is when it's scaled down to low power performance.

 

Oh man... someone slap me.


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 04:27 PM

^^ Why is not one single person talking about this?


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 04:49 PM

Dunno... CPU integrated graphics just doesn't interest me much.  Recent experience also sees me asking WTF should we need to enable it to use the video encode ASIC?

I'd rather have more cache, another core or something just... useful, than something that's about equivalent to a -4 generation low to midrange vid-card that you'd otherwise spend about 20 bucks on.



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 06:15 PM

only thing that interests me about it is hbm2 if the cpu has access to it it as a l4 cache it could be better for games than the 8700k but unfortunately its only a quad core


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 09:27 PM

only thing that interests me about it is hbm2 if the cpu has access to it it as a l4 cache it could be better for games than the 8700k but unfortunately its only a quad core

Well... a kaby Lake Refresh quad core with more than likely - Vega graphics.


Dunno... CPU integrated graphics just doesn't interest me much.  Recent experience also sees me asking WTF should we need to enable it to use the video encode ASIC?

I'd rather have more cache, another core or something just... useful, than something that's about equivalent to a -4 generation low to midrange vid-card that you'd otherwise spend about 20 bucks on.

I was thinking more about the Intel and AMD collaboration actually. just that in itself is confounding. 


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 11:11 PM

only thing that interests me about it is hbm2 if the cpu has access to it it as a l4 cache it could be better for games than the 8700k but unfortunately its only a quad core

 

From what I've read EMIB is only used between the HBM2 and the GPU, the connection to the CPU is PCI-E.

 

AdoredTV over at Youtube provides a bit of analysis of what Intel & AMD have got going with this:

 


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Posted 10 November 2017 - 12:44 AM

AdoredTV over at Youtube provides a bit of analysis of what Intel & AMD have got going with this:

 

 

Old Jim might change his opinion after this shock revelation:

 

Raja Koduri Joins Intel as Chief Architect to Drive Unified Vision across Cores and Visual Computing

 

Koduri, 49, joins Intel from AMD, where he most recently served as senior vice president and chief architect of the Radeon Technologies Group. In this role, he was responsible for overseeing all aspects of graphics technologies used in AMD’s APU, discrete GPU, semi-custom and GPU compute products. Prior to AMD, Koduri served as director of graphics architecture at Apple Inc., where he helped establish a leadership graphics sub-system for the Mac product family and led the transition to Retina computer displays.

 

 

Koduri will officially start in his new role at Intel in early December.

 

Loyalty is to pay cheques these days.


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Posted 15 November 2017 - 08:04 AM

The only people loyal to AMD are their product fans.

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 09:33 PM

The only people loyal to AMD are their product fans.

Nah... there are a few there. At least one I know of on the board.

 

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Posted 21 November 2017 - 10:34 PM

Intel increases production of Coffee Lake while Ryzen gets cheaper

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Posted 21 November 2017 - 11:21 PM

The Price of Intel Corporation’s 10-Nanometer Failure

 

Intel is now claiming it will "introduce" its first 10nm products by the end of 2017, with serious volumes coming in 2018. Credible leaks have revealed that Intel is targeting availability more in the middle of 2018.

 

A delay in the mass-production start from the end of 2015 to the end of 2017 is a delay of two years, or roughly a full generation, at least back when an Intel generation was defined as roughly two years.

 

As if it couldn't get any worse, by Intel's own admission, its first- and second-generation 10nm technologies -- 10nm and 10nm+, respectively -- will offer worse performance than its upcoming 14nm++ technology . Intel says the company's 10nm technology won't open up a clear performance lead over its 14nm++ technology until its third iteration -- known as 10nm++ -- which should go into production sometime in 2020.

 

Interesting article. I can't seem to get my head around it as Intel are unstoppable, or at least appear to be. Even... how the hell how does a smaller process not increase performance?

 

Seems like this might be enough of a struggle for them for AMD to catch up and we can have a bit more balance in the market place.

 

Writer of the article has shares in Intel, so it's not a bash piece.


Edited by SceptreCore, 21 November 2017 - 11:34 PM.

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Posted Yesterday, 03:56 AM

Very interesting article.  Curious to see if AMD can come up with something next year with the zen2 that closes the gap some more.  Intel's latest releases have been impressive though.  


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Posted Yesterday, 04:52 PM

Very interesting article.  Curious to see if AMD can come up with something next year with the zen2 that closes the gap some more.  Intel's latest releases have been impressive though.  

Intel definitely have the best 14nm silicon in the world. They've had plenty of time to get the best out of it after all. And of course Core in its 8th generation... very mature architecture, who knows how many more changes it will see before the next ground up.

 

It all hangs on 7nm I would say. This is not a licensed product either.. this is all GF, so GF better deliver and not screw it up like the last two process nodes.

 

Exciting times in the CPU world.


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