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#1 chrisg

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 01:23 PM

:)

 

I hang out on PPrune a bit, a pilots rumour site, more to see what is going on and if any old friends crop up go have a chat.

 

There is a discussion running over Qantas wanting to do Oz to London non-stop - they have been doing it out of Perth for years. I've used it myself a few times. Ever since the 747-400 came along with a light load it is not a problem.

 

How does that happen ? Circle routes, Qantas often rotate aircraft via Perth back to Europe, not expecting to pick up a lot of passengers but often do get a lot of freight and if they can balance a load to operate direct they save on interim landing and handling fees - Perth is pretty inexpensive in that regard.

 

I've no idea if they are doing it at the moment, I've not had to go to the UK for several years but when FIFO was at its peak over here they could fill a 747 from the east coast very easily. Then they would pick up a load and whatever passengers, a lot of English folk here so always get some, and re-position the aircraft to Heathrow for probably neutral cost and have a profitable load-out for the return.

 

Amazing but a lot of commercial pilots really do not understand the economics of the industry.

 

Sydney to London direct, bit of a different story, Perth really is a lot closer and the climate conditions are usually more friendly for at least a part of the trip.

 

I'm asking some friends at Boeing but on paper even the 777ER could not do that, at least not legally.

 

I can't be bothered telling them, they never really listen anyway :)

 

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 01:28 PM

It was on the news but I wasn't paying a lot of attention.  Supposedly Qantas has laid down the challenge to Airbus and Boeing to increase range on some of the smaller types like 787 so they can do the London and NYC routes without a stop.



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Posted 26 August 2017 - 01:57 PM

Hmm,

 

Boeing are pretty confident they can do it with the 787, in cooperation with Rolls Royce who are in development of a yet more efficient Trent engine anyway.

 

Airbus.. dunno, don't have any real relationships there but they can sure pull the rabbit out of the hat :)

 

I don't know if crews are going to like it or not - for that long a haul they will have to swap pilots, but the airlines often forget the cabin crew work long hours on such flights. I tend to do one of two things on long flights, either curl up and sleep down the back or if insomnia bites, being I'm back there anyway go chat to the, mostly, stewardesses.

 

The hours those girls tell me they spend on their feet is ridiculous - one girl on a JAL flight told me she liked turbulence, she was able to sit down :)

 

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 06:08 PM

Huh? I thought Perth to London direct will start operating from next year?


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Posted 29 August 2017 - 06:26 PM

Huh? I thought Perth to London direct will start operating from next year?

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 Must be a decade ago but I've flown it direct.

 

I can do the numbers if you wish, with somewhere over 12,000 hours of logged flying I guess I can do that, but I confess I was a bit bemused by having a direct flight - years ago, and not exactly many pax:) I've flow so many miles either in the cockpit or usually asleep in the cabin but I really didn't notice until a friend picked me up at Heathrow :)

 

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 08:23 PM

Is there any demand for this flight

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 09:56 PM

The flight/route isn't the issue.  Supposedly what is being requested is that the manufacturers start making more types that can do the uninterrupted long haul flights.



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 10:12 PM

777-200lr could make the distance

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Posted 30 August 2017 - 12:49 AM

777-200lr could make the distance

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Yes, certainly could, but Boeing actually want to wind back production of the 777 and focus on the 787 whilst at the same time paying more attention to their military side that makes them more profit anyway.

 

As for demand, yes, there is, I'm like a lot of biz pax, I just want to get there, not mess around in interim stops, and the freight side of an airlines business, that often shows them best margin, favors non-stop over interim.

 

There is the thrombosis issue I suppose, after the number of hours I've spent cramped up in tiny cockpits I don't think that is a problem for me but it is a real health issue.

 

I don't actually like the 777 much, they never really sorted out the cabin aircon properly which led to many uncomfortable sectors for me in Asia a few years back.

 

The 787 I don't know, yet to fly on one.

 

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 09:10 AM

https://www.ausbt.co...bus-a350-900ulr

 

Airbus A350 or Boeing 787-9


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 03:03 PM

:)

 

The 787-9 does make the most sense, although Qantas has an enduring challenge of being both a domestic and international airline which even in a country as large as ours means different demands. Personally I dislike the 737 intensely whereas every Airbus I've ever flown on has been quite enjoyable.

 

It's as much as anything a maintenance issue, the training and experience side of aircraft maintenance when working against the clock of high rate schedule turnarounds means you prefer your engineers to be familiar with one family of aircraft and both Boeing and Airbus, whilst having good similarities in their aircraft have somewhat different ideas on design - in particular Airbus aircraft are far more fly-by-wire although if I read correctly that is the case with the 787 to a degree.

 

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 11:57 AM

http://www.abc.net.a...ndon-st/8859790

 

In related news, QANTAS is ditching Dubai as a stopover for Singapore when flying to London.

I think it was because no one really wanted to stopover in Dubai anyway.


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Posted 04 September 2017 - 12:12 PM

:)

 

I don't remember the last time I was in Dubai, the duty-free if I recall was pretty good but it is in Singapore as well and at least in Singapore if your connection is a few hours apart you can hop a cab and go get some decent food :)

 

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 05:54 PM

Never stopped over in Dubai. But had to stop over in brunei to get to Malaysia. Omg that airport one of the most boring ever.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 07:13 PM

Never stopped over in Dubai. But had to stop over in brunei to get to Malaysia. Omg that airport one of the most boring ever.

:)

 

Yeah, agree on that, KL on the other hand... I get there early because there is so much to do :)

 

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 03:18 PM

Pfffft, easy solution of new longer distance flights - mid-air refuelling.     :)

 

Solid concept tried 'n true, the military has been using to go blow the shit up out of people for yonks.

 

One way they could even make some pocket money with a tanker sitting around doing nothing, eh 'chris?


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Posted 06 September 2017 - 03:27 PM

Pfffft, easy solution of new longer distance flights - mid-air refuelling.     :)

 

Solid concept tried 'n true, the military has been using to go blow the shit up out of people for yonks.

 

One way they could even make some pocket money with a tanker sitting around doing nothing, eh 'chris?

 

What could go wrong with mid-air refueling? Err ...


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Posted 06 September 2017 - 05:24 PM

Pfffft, easy solution of new longer distance flights - mid-air refuelling.     :)

 

Solid concept tried 'n true, the military has been using to go blow the shit up out of people for yonks.

 

One way they could even make some pocket money with a tanker sitting around doing nothing, eh 'chris?

:)

 

I'm not quite sure I'd trust in-flight refueling for a big airliner, then again they've been doing it with B-52s for decades :)

 

It's something I did a lot of, you sort of have to pay attention - adrenaline city in other words, but not massively difficult in a small jet, not sure about an airliner but then again never flown one - not sure how they would handle wake turbulence. In a small jet you can duck under that, in a big jet your rudder would be in it regardless.

 

I think, must ask a mate, it is why they refuel the -52s with a boom, so they can sit below the tanker wake, although I had forgotten, it's been a while, but you do get much higher fuel transfer rate off a boom than you do from drogue and probe.

 

Never much mattered to me, I have done both but never in large aircraft, I suppose it might in a -52 :)

 

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