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#41 @~thehung

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 08:29 PM

so you saw it in 1982 in a cinema?  its hard to underestimate the difference in terms of lasting first impressions when compared to censored 80s TV :D   the sheer spectacle of it must have ruined you considering how well it holds up even today.

 

yeah, its still mostly about pacing...but i wont say more because i am trying to empty my mind.  its been long enough since i saw to the directors cut to give the final cut its due sometime soon.  i want clean the slate as best i can.  btw, do you see that as the definitive one?


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Posted 12 October 2017 - 08:54 PM

so you saw it in 1982 in a cinema?


Yup. Three times. Which matches my viewing record for Star Wars, except that SW hasn't held up nearly so well - though some of that is down to Lucas constantly dicking around with it.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 10:25 AM

My (concise) thoughts on the new one: Really enjoyed it!!!

 

I'd recommend watching the Final Cut version of the original before seeing 2049 (if you haven't seen it for a while)

 

Definitely going to watch again

 

(It Is a bit long, but not overly so- more a problem for my knees at the end more than losing any interest in the film)



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Posted 20 October 2017 - 12:14 PM

so you saw it in 1982 in a cinema?  its hard to underestimate the difference in terms of lasting first impressions when compared to censored 80s TV :D   the sheer spectacle of it must have ruined you considering how well it holds up even today.

 

Yeah, I know, replying twice - and so long after the fact.  Bear with me.

 

I found a clip of Denis Villeneuve's reaction to seeing the original at that time, and it's very very similar to mine.  You can see in his face what he doesn't have words for, and his accent is nicer. ;)

 


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Posted 20 October 2017 - 12:49 PM

somewhat unrealistically, in their vision of the future, not a single person is obsessed with their mobile phone


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Posted 20 October 2017 - 07:45 PM

somewhat unrealistically, in their vision of the future, not a single person is obsessed with their mobile phone

 
In '82, nobody had thought of a mobile 'phone.  They also hadn't thought of an internet for said mobile to hook into.
 
Actually, thinking about it, I think the first shadow of modern comms I can remember was a kind of dark reflection of social media - something very like Star Trek's Borg, only without the assimilation: humans who netted themselves together voluntarily via radio links to communicate.  'Course, being fiction, they soon started acting as a hive mind, running "distributed computing" style; disconnecting any of them from the gestalt resulted in a gibbering blob of flesh.  (That was Vacuum Flowers by Michael Swanwick, from '87.)


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Posted 20 October 2017 - 08:11 PM

it's pretty strange that sci-fi writers hadn't predicted the ris of the "constantly connected" situation of today

 

my take on it is that those sci-fi writers of old were too asperger in their inclination to even consider how much the ability to connect to other people would change "normal" people, for whom constant approval and interaction would usurp breathing, if that were the only choice


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Posted 20 October 2017 - 10:02 PM

It's funny Cybes ( not haha ) that when you said ... " In '82, nobody had thought of a mobile 'phone." it recalled to mind the second phone we had at home ( slightly before '82), it was a stand alone cordless thingy. For a little while we had it upstairs, but I think the phone bills could have nixed that. Teenagers ...

 

Seems to me the focus was more about androids /robotics / Asimov etc.etc. maybe mobile phones were not deemed important enough. I still wonder why Hari Krishnas made it in :P


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Posted 20 October 2017 - 11:08 PM

It's funny Cybes ( not haha ) that when you said ... " In '82, nobody had thought of a mobile 'phone." it recalled to mind the second phone we had at home ( slightly before '82), it was a stand alone cordless thingy. For a little while we had it upstairs, but I think the phone bills could have nixed that. Teenagers ...

 

Seems to me the focus was more about androids /robotics / Asimov etc.etc. maybe mobile phones were not deemed important enough. I still wonder why Hari Krishnas made it in :P

 

hari krishnas were "big" at the time

 

maybe the producer thought they were going to blossom by 2019, like christianity did  in the roman era


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Posted 20 October 2017 - 11:39 PM

Ok Mac Dude, you're off the hook. This movie is fabulous !
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Posted 21 October 2017 - 01:04 AM

In '82, nobody had thought of a mobile 'phone.  They also hadn't thought of an internet for said mobile to hook into.


its worth noting though, that William Gibson had coined 'cyberspace' in 1982's Burning Chrome two years before expanding on it in Neuromancer: 

 

“The Matrix has its roots in primitive arcade games,' said the voice-over, 'in early graphics programs and military experimentation with cranial jacks.' On the Sony, a two-dimensional space war faded behind a forest of mathematically generated ferns, demonstrating the spatial possibilities of logarithmic spirals; cold blue military footage burned through, lab animals wired into test systems, helmets feeding into fire control circuits of tanks and war planes. 'Cyberspace. A consensual hallucination experienced daily by billions of legitimate operators, in every nation, by children being taught mathematical concepts... A graphic representation of data abstracted from the banks of every computer in the human system. Unthinkable complexity. Lines of light ranged in the nonspace of the mind, clusters and constellations of data. Like city lights, receding...”

 

interestingly, wiki says:

After viewing the first 20 minutes of landmark cyberpunk film Blade Runner (1982), which was released when Gibson had written a third of the novel, he "figured [Neuromancer] was sunk, done for. Everyone would assume I’d copied my visual texture from this astonishingly fine-looking film."


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Posted 21 October 2017 - 07:21 AM

interestingly, wiki says:

After viewing the first 20 minutes of landmark cyberpunk film Blade Runner (1982), which was released when Gibson had written a third of the novel, he "figured [Neuromancer] was sunk, done for. Everyone would assume I’d copied my visual texture from this astonishingly fine-looking film."

 

Yup - that quote made into a fan mag at some point, iirc.  Funnily enough, the BR cityscape is not what I had pictured at all for cyberspace - it's far too dark and bleak.  My vision was more like Hong Kong, but as far as the eye could see in every direction.

 

And on the social media angle... Whilst people certainly could socialise in specific 'places' in cyberspace, that wasn't its purpose.  Like the internet itself, the thing was set up as a means to interact with companies and data - not other people.  Even in Gibson's novels most of the interaction between people was face to face in the real world, at least until the real world was showing that people were using virtual connections more than real ones (Idoru?  I need to reread.)


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Posted 21 October 2017 - 11:47 AM

'the BR cityscape is not what I had pictured at all for cyberspace'.  i think you meant The Sprawl or Chiba City there.

 

as for the matrix of cyberspace, i always found it confusingly (but necessarily) abstract and really hard to visualise.  key point was that people could 'jack in' and interact remotely in real time through a conceptual medium more sophisticated and far less audiovisually literal than multimedia as we know it, but yeah, although my quote above hints at the tech being democratised enough to be widely used for stuff like education and maybe even incidental frivolity, i dont remember the social angle ever being hinted at. 


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Posted 21 October 2017 - 12:51 PM

i think you meant The Sprawl or Chiba City there.

 

Yeah.  Dunno what happened there, but glad you got it anyway.


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Posted 21 October 2017 - 02:06 PM

 

i think you meant The Sprawl or Chiba City there.

 

Yeah.  Dunno what happened there, but glad you got it anyway.

 

:)

 

I THINK I have everything Gibson has ever written and I assume he has spent a deal of time in Japan but I don't recall him ever elaborating on that.

 

Chiba is around the Bay from Tokyo, if you want a wild night in Japan go to Chiba, but keep your wits about you and your hand on your wallet :)

 

I've been there a few times, always with Japanese friends, it's fun, but like most such places around the world not exactly safe :)

 

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Posted 21 October 2017 - 09:28 PM

The original movie also gained it's cult status due to other aspects
Phillip K Dick passed away just before the movies release
Ridley Scott had directed Alien
It had Harrison Ford
It was the early 80s , geeks lapped up any Science fiction film
Even in its release, there was the rumour of a second version of the movie

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Posted 22 October 2017 - 08:35 AM

It was the early 80s , geeks lapped up any Science fiction film

 

It was the Writer's Strike - people lapped up anything they could get their hands on.

 

But none of those explain why it continues to pull in new followers.  That comes down to it just plain being a f'ing brilliant movie.


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Posted 30 October 2017 - 09:37 AM

I went to watch it on Sunday after lunch, I was fortunate enough to have the time to watch the original again, after breakfast, just so it would be fresh in my mind.

 

This is really a movie that you need to see a few times to grasp the entirety of the message.


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