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#1 chrisg

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Posted 05 January 2018 - 02:14 AM

I don't really drive that much these days, we are bedded down in an area that has everything in easy reach.

But the last couple of weeks I've had had some idiot yelling at me on what are really just side roads: The first was "get off the road!!" I was doing 48 in a 50 k zone but I saw him surge off into the distance way over the limit and promptly tailgate some other driver and I assume abuse him/her as well.

Then a couple of days later I get called a moron for doing a perfectly legal U turn.

I'd had enough, the next time he mouthed off at me and let's understand, I alternate driving two different cars so it was not vehicle recognition, i think the moron just abuses everybody.

The next time I happened to be in the Pug, so I simply downshifted and blocked him then got out for a "conversation."

I don't think the little turd expected that, he tried to back up but funnily enough there was a car behind him who was in no hurry, turned out he had been abused by the moron as well.

I don't recall the exact detail of the conversation but i think I called him a few very uncomplimentary names, offered to kick is head in and assertained he had been driving for a whole two years..
I received a lot of white faced apologies - I guess he wont be doing it again, but if anyone should be off the roads it is morons like him...

If anyone knows me I might be 65 but I'm still 6 foot of trim muscle and as my wife says I can have steely grey eyes that say "Fuck with me and I'll kill you."

Probably not what moron was expecting, I guess he wont do it again but I have his plate number now, very conspicuously caught on my phone cam that I'll pass to the local cops, most of whom are good mates.

Driving in Perth... one adventure after another...

Now that is off my chest, I'l go get some sleep :)

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Edited by chrisg, 05 January 2018 - 02:17 AM.

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Posted 05 January 2018 - 09:05 AM

"Hello, My name is Mr Crowbar, and this is my friend, who is ALSO a Crowbar!"

 

I've had to 'get out' a few times; as you said, people don't expect it.

Only had to ever actually confront one person, who drove off after more words.

 

He didn't know (but I did! Modified car culture in QLD is tight knit) that he coincidentally lives in the same suburb as me, so I just went for a visit.

We were in our early 20's at the time, so he still lived with dad.

Quick knock, explanation, and I don't want to know what happened next.


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Posted 05 January 2018 - 03:38 PM

:)

I've been driving nearly 50 years, on every continent on earth, never had that rubbish before, but if there is an observation to make we seem to have an increase of morons on the roads of late :)

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Posted 05 January 2018 - 03:42 PM

:)

I've been driving nearly 50 years, on every continent on earth, never had that rubbish before, but if there is an observation to make we seem to have an increase of morons on the roads of late :)

Cheers

 

Mostly it's the older generation who have been driving on less crowded roads their whole life, then get angry when you perform maneuvers, that to anyone below 40 knows, is legal, expected and easy.

But to the older person, is reckless and dangerous.

 

Worst I think, is watching the older gen try and figure out how to change lanes, and exit\enter a multi-lane roundabout.

 

That said, us youngins are far from innocent; just the old:young ratio who ACTUALLY think they own the road (despite the stereotype) is heavily swung in the older folks direction.


Edited by Master_Scythe, 05 January 2018 - 03:46 PM.

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Posted 05 January 2018 - 04:18 PM

Phew, glad it's only an issue in Perth!
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Posted 05 January 2018 - 04:37 PM

Insurance premiums don't lie - it's the young who are overrepresented in accident figures and the prices are accordingly set.

 

As for general fuckwittery and thinking they own the road, the clearer demographic is often the car itself - it more likely being the case if it's a very expensive car or total shitbox.



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Posted 05 January 2018 - 04:58 PM

:)

I've been driving nearly 50 years, on every continent on earth, never had that rubbish before, but if there is an observation to make we seem to have an increase of morons on the roads of late :)

Cheers

 
Mostly it's the older generation who have been driving on less crowded roads their whole life, then get angry when you perform maneuvers, that to anyone below 40 knows, is legal, expected and easy.
But to the older person, is reckless and dangerous.
 
Worst I think, is watching the older gen try and figure out how to change lanes, and exit\enter a multi-lane roundabout.
 
That said, us youngins are far from innocent; just the old:young ratio who ACTUALLY think they own the road (despite the stereotype) is heavily swung in the older folks direction.


:)

Australian roads are not really very congested mate. I grew up driving in London, now that's congested and it was only a few years ago that I was the driver with Zeph in California, that can get congested, or try driving in Bangkok... :)

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Edited by chrisg, 05 January 2018 - 04:59 PM.

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Posted 05 January 2018 - 05:35 PM

"Hey bruv... just wait near the driveway at the servo, OK?  I'll come pick ya up.  You'll know it's me.  Lowered Corolla wiv no number plates, I'll do a trick for ya when I arrive, cuz!"

 

https://www.9news.co...being-hit-by-it

 

 

Police believe a man filmed climbing into a car just moments after it struck him knew the driver.

CCTV of the accident shows what appears to be a Toyota Corolla with no registration plates colliding with a man walking along Canterbury Road in Kilsyth, in Melbourne's east, Wednesday.

The man is sent soaring through the air, landing on an adjacent nature strip.

He can then be seen crawling back over to the car, opening the passenger door and getting in, before the car drives off.

 

 

 

ed - stupid 9News site censored the video.  Slightly better one http://www.news.com....f770bb5fc7b0298


Edited by Rybags, 05 January 2018 - 06:10 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2018 - 11:49 AM

Insurance premiums don't lie - it's the young who are overrepresented in accident figures and the prices are accordingly set.

 

YES they do!

Why does a female who has written off two vehicles and had a license suspension still get cheaper insurance than a male who has a perfect history?

Why does a car with an improved braking system cost more to insure than one with a 'factory' one? ESPECIALLY in cars where the brakes are known to be a weak point (such as Protons) "Derp, its 'Modifed!'" yes.... to reduce crashes... morons..

They just play the market.

 

Also, young figures are HEAVILY skewed by NEW drivers, as opposed to young, just as a matter of causality.

Of COURSE the new drivers are going to be the ones who crash more often.

There just happens to be more 16yo's getting a licence "today" than 50yo's.

 

Perhaps you don't drive often, or perhaps it's a state by state thing, but in QLD, 'young' drivers are so nervous and weary of police being around, that (hooning aside) you never see a P plater being 'lazy'.

You just dont.

Minimum 5 seconds indication, obvious head checks, correct lane placement. Hell, since the fines went to the sky for using a phone you basically don't even see them risking their beloved facebook anymore.

 

But one quick trip down the road, and you see people in my fathers age bracket (around 60) actually TALKING on their phone. They often indicate MID merge (not before), tons constantly tap the cats eyes, I rarely see a proper shoulder check.

 

You notice this shit when you ride, because one 'lazy' car decision and your bike is on the ground.

I'm careful around red P platers, because as I said, statistically, they're NEW and likely to make an error.

But Green P's? They've been driving for a few years now, and I'm yet to be cut off by one on the bike (or in the car).

 

 

The same can't be said for mums in soccer vans, Tradies in utes, or CEO's in Jags.

But perhaps Brisbane is just different.


Edited by Master_Scythe, 06 January 2018 - 11:51 AM.

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Posted 06 January 2018 - 11:52 AM

:)

I saw that Ry - someone else found a driver's license in a cornflakes packet :)

In all seriousness we hand them out FAR too easily in this country, no wonder the road fatality stats refuse to go down...

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Posted 06 January 2018 - 12:06 PM

Most of them don't even bother getting a proper manual licence.  And put them in a car without power steering and they think something's wrong with it.

 

As for the insurance thing, they do ask if you've had claims or fines in the last 5 or 10 years which would have a bearing.

 

Apparently over Christmas they had random drug checking going on here... 1 in 4 tested positive.  NFI though if it's truly random or they cherry-pick ones that they suspect are affected (I think that's probably the case).



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Posted 06 January 2018 - 12:56 PM

Hmm,

There was an article on the news last night saying they would be testing for prescription drugs as well.

Some of them do say don't drive after taking and I freely admit that courtesy of PTSD I do take the occasional valium but i do not drive for a few hours after doing so.

However I do take daily two meds to control blood pressure, have for years, so I went and had a chat to the cops, have pretty good relations with the local station.

They assured me that first they were not in the least concerned about my BP meds and that I was doing the right thing with valium but they also admitted the current tests are much more focused on amphetamines and grass with some concern about acid as well.

I will admit to taking acid, just once, decades ago, no way was I going driving, it was enough to sit on a roof and watch the sun go down...

Grass... sure, long ago, can't handle it any more, never been near ecstasy in my life but legal speed when I flew, still have a tube of it somewhere, was perfectly ok, just I never took it.

Adrenaline tends to be enough for me :)

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Posted 06 January 2018 - 01:50 PM

Most of them don't even bother getting a proper manual licence.  And put them in a car without power steering and they think something's wrong with it.

I was the great old age of fourty when I got my licence. ( I had driven before but never on a regular licensed basis.) Chose to get my licence in a manual sedan, then promptly went on to drive an auto van cos that's what we had. Now of course, I'm manual again.

The very first lesson I had was up here in Port. My instructor picked me up in a sporty little two door, manual and no power steering. I did the lesson but did not continue with that instructor. My reasoning was and is that almost all registered vehicles that I could afford would have power steering.

I considered it just too hard on my learning capabilities ( and novice state ) to try and manage to operate such a car amongst other powered steering autos on the open road. Maybe once I was comfortable driving a death-trap with powered steering without killing myself or innocent others then, if I really wanted to own a car with no powered steering, as a now more competent driver, others might survive my driving too.

 

Anyway, that's purely a personal perspective. I'm not a quick learner, but once I get it, I do manage to get it. It's so easy in an auto to stop at giveway and stop and continue on at signs without being a danger to others. In a manual those signs have more impact, imo, not the stopping part, but the gearing up part. As someone who's struggled to relearn the manual and take control of my vehicle, it's been for me a whole new learning curve. I am seriously glad of power steering too :)

 

I do think all paid for lessons and driving tests should be done in manual vehicles though. I mean it's not like the learner won't revert to an auto during private say family lessons, so they will still get to see the difference of styles. And hopefully gain a little more maturity about the safety of it all.


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Posted 06 January 2018 - 04:51 PM

 

 

:)

I've been driving nearly 50 years, on every continent on earth, never had that rubbish before, but if there is an observation to make we seem to have an increase of morons on the roads of late :)

Cheers

 
Mostly it's the older generation who have been driving on less crowded roads their whole life, then get angry when you perform maneuvers, that to anyone below 40 knows, is legal, expected and easy.
But to the older person, is reckless and dangerous.
 
Worst I think, is watching the older gen try and figure out how to change lanes, and exit\enter a multi-lane roundabout.
 
That said, us youngins are far from innocent; just the old:young ratio who ACTUALLY think they own the road (despite the stereotype) is heavily swung in the older folks direction.

 


:)

Australian roads are not really very congested mate. I grew up driving in London, now that's congested and it was only a few years ago that I was the driver with Zeph in California, that can get congested, or try driving in Bangkok... :)

Cheers

 

 

I agree.  I grew up in Malaysia where the traffic far worse than here.  The problem here, currently and I am generalising a bit, is that most of us think we own the freaking road and that there is no one else more important than us.  Whenever someone's late, they always blame that traffic jam, which happens every day, or whatever, when it wouldn't be a problem if they had planned their day out.  It even extends to what we do every day even if it is not on the roads.  I do have, however, a problem with older drivers.  Not all, just some who obviously shouldn't be driving but still are, usually people 70+ and above who have less than adequate reflexes.  I hear it all the time, where I do some volunteer work at an aged care facility, where the ladies (mostly) complain to me (while I listen) that they had their licences taken away from them because they caused a little bitty accident which wasn't their fault for whatever the reason.  I do sympathise with these folk, I really do.  Driving is probably one of the very few things they can do and be free, by themselves and we, or rather the people, take it away from them because they are dangerous.

 

However, back to the original matter, people should just chill.  It's not our family's road we are driving on.  We have to share it with others.  I may have a bugbear but seriously, I don't even react to that, even, because it is pointless to do so.  After all, aren't we all taxpayers and have an equal right to use the roads as long as we follow the rules?


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Posted 07 January 2018 - 02:49 PM

Why does a car with an improved braking system cost more to insure than one with a 'factory' one? 

 

Because the statistics show that cars with "improved" braking systems make more [expensive] claims. Insurance isn't magic, and car insurance is not based on guessing/opinions, its based on cold-hard experience analysis.

 

 

"Derp, its 'Modifed!'" yes.... to reduce crashes... morons..

 

In general, "improved" brakes do not reduce crashes. If a car is able to lock up the brakes, like all modern cars do, then improving the brakes isn't going to make the car stop significantly quicker in an emergency situation. If you're wanting to reduce crashes then you're likely better off focusing on the tyres and how good the ABS/etc. system is.



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Posted 07 January 2018 - 03:10 PM

Got contradiction?

The whole point of ABS is that it stops the brakes locking up.

 

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Posted 07 January 2018 - 03:21 PM

Got contradiction?

The whole point of ABS is that it stops the brakes locking up.

It's not a contradiction. Obviously you don't actually want the brakes to lock up, but that is irrelevant and therefore not a contradiction.

 

What I'm explaining is: If your brakes can't lock up then the mechanical performance of your brakes under emergency situations can be improved. If your brakes can lock up then the mechanical performance of your brakes under emergency situations can not be improved.

 

If your brakes can lock up then there is no need to be able to improve the maximum force that can be applied to the brake. Any more force is ultimately insignificant. If your brakes can't lock up, then increasing the maximum force that can be applied to the brake, if even only a few newtons, will improve braking performance.

 

Hopefully that makes it clear that while you obvious don't want the brakes to lock up, the question of whether a car is capable of locking the brakes is an important one for determining whether the brakes can be improved for emergency stopping.

 

(As mentioned a few times, this is all with regards to emergency stopping, because we're talking about reducing crashes.)


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Posted 07 January 2018 - 03:24 PM

Simplistic explanation and wrong at that.  There's plenty of things that can be done to improve brake performance - better fluid and improved ventilation to mention just two of many.



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Posted 07 January 2018 - 03:28 PM

Simplistic explanation and wrong at that.  There's plenty of things that can be done to improve brake performance - better fluid and improved ventilation to mention just two of many.

Neither of those will improve brake performance in an emergency situation and therefore won't reduce crashes.

 

Better fluid, better ventilation, bigger size, more pistons, etc. matter when you're performance driving, that is when the heat in the brake system starts to have an affect. Heat should not be a problem under normal driving conditions.



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Posted 07 January 2018 - 03:37 PM

Bullshit.  Improved braking systems will perform better from the onset.  People don't spend $3,000 on aftermarket systems then get 28 metre 100km to zero stopping distance instead of 32 metres just because they've imagined it.

 

Really, if you're going to join an argument in this place, at least try and stick to the original subject.






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