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#61 Rybags

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 07:07 PM

That's the thing with millenials.  The old saying went that teenagers "know everything".

With my generation you left home at a fairly early age and quickly realised how wrong that is.

 

It seems with millenials the attitude persists whether they leave home or not, and well into their thirties, just how long it will persist is yet to be seen.  And it can extend to subjects that they have the most tenuous personal link with.


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 07:10 PM

 

where you can do 5~6 100kmph down to 20kmph hour speed changes within a 30 second period

That seems like one of those situations where someone asks why you keep going back up to 100 if you have to keep dropping to 20 so often.

 

There's this little stretch of road going into Cairns. You've just come out of a round about ( usually bloody busy cos it's part of the highway ) onto a stretch of road going over a bridge with the road sign telling you " 100km" . You've virtually got up to speed when lo and behold road signs tell you to get back to "60km" cos you be at the next round-about. Now if you don't get up there you risk being a menace ;) But really for everybody's safety it'd be waay better to hang at around "80km" I reckon.


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 07:25 PM

 


Why ? unless it's you being a a blind-tail-gating-no indicating-little shit who believes it's your right to change lanes on a round-about on the whim of desire, then I wouldn't waste the emotion ;) ... up here, "P" platers are the worst for this feeling of righteousness.

And they would mostly be " millennials " brought up believing every body loves them as much as their indulging parents do ... or did .

 

 

Millennials are over 30 now, you realize? Some easily within a stones throw of 40.

And you wonder why they're bitter assholes toward previous generations.

We've had 30 years of "that sort of talk". It wears thin.


Edited by Master_Scythe, 08 January 2018 - 07:26 PM.

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 07:28 PM

Previous generations copped it too.

 

It's just that since the 1990s kids became snowflakes and we get the result we have today.

 

It's the same beligerence you hear from dickheads who've just been done for drink-driving and think the world's against them and they're right in every regard.



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Posted 08 January 2018 - 07:31 PM

Previous generations copped it too.

 

It's just that since the 1990s kids became snowflakes and we get the result we have today.

 

It's the same beligerence you hear from dickheads who've just been done for drink-driving and think the world's against them and they're right in every regard.

 

 

I have heard people bash "Gen X" but never into their 40's. It was a "Darn those teenagers" thing old people seemed to do.

This has followed 'us' all into adulthood, after the majority (not all) have proven, hey, look at us, we have jobs and aren't the devil you painted us.


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 07:34 PM

You can't do a direct comparison with generations past.

 

For some reason, maturity eludes people until they're into their 20s or 30s or beyond now.  Probably to do with the fact that most "kids" don't even bother leaving home until they're over 29 or over (that was the average about 8 years ago, probably still climbing).

With less responsibilities on their plates, there seems little reason to grow up.


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 08:08 PM

 

 


Why ? unless it's you being a a blind-tail-gating-no indicating-little shit who believes it's your right to change lanes on a round-about on the whim of desire, then I wouldn't waste the emotion ;) ... up here, "P" platers are the worst for this feeling of righteousness.

And they would mostly be " millennials " brought up believing every body loves them as much as their indulging parents do ... or did .

 

 

Millennials are over 30 now, you realize? Some easily within a stones throw of 40.

And you wonder why they're bitter assholes toward previous generations.

We've had 30 years of "that sort of talk". It wears thin.

 

Of course I realise the general age of a millennial ,lol. Do you realise that this might well be the second time round these perhaps same millies ( abv) have been on their "P"s ? I say this cos well you know it's all the youngie-newbies that think they can handle the dope/grog/etc. and still drive like a champion.I had my licence just before QLD went all "P" platey with the licences. You had to show the "L" plate, but it was lawful to not have "P"s once full licence was gained. So those millies feel insulted by the law telling them to be "P" platers, and this 'colours' their driving abilities and how they 'play' with others on the road ( paved or not ) ... but sure there's a lot of "P"s out there who are younger with the similar mindset that their right to be on the road gives them super powers. :)~


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 11:24 PM

:)

I learned to drive in a country that actually regards being on the roads as a privilege, not a right, which is very much not the case in Australia and it needs to change, I'm tired of dodging idiots who have not a clue but think they own the road.

As someone who basically began leaving home when I was 14 and completed the process by the time I was 18, the air force sent me to Cyprus, I find these "never leave homers" a bit odd, but if ever I'm left single again - could happen, my wife is far from healthy so we take each day as it comes, my mother wants me back, mostly to take the garbage out I'm sure :)

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 08:36 AM

 

 

 


Why ? unless it's you being a a blind-tail-gating-no indicating-little shit who believes it's your right to change lanes on a round-about on the whim of desire, then I wouldn't waste the emotion ;) ... up here, "P" platers are the worst for this feeling of righteousness.

And they would mostly be " millennials " brought up believing every body loves them as much as their indulging parents do ... or did .

 

 

Millennials are over 30 now, you realize? Some easily within a stones throw of 40.

And you wonder why they're bitter assholes toward previous generations.

We've had 30 years of "that sort of talk". It wears thin.

 

Of course I realise the general age of a millennial ,lol. Do you realise that this might well be the second time round these perhaps same millies ( abv) have been on their "P"s ? I say this cos well you know it's all the youngie-newbies that think they can handle the dope/grog/etc. and still drive like a champion.I had my licence just before QLD went all "P" platey with the licences. You had to show the "L" plate, but it was lawful to not have "P"s once full licence was gained. So those millies feel insulted by the law telling them to be "P" platers, and this 'colours' their driving abilities and how they 'play' with others on the road ( paved or not ) ... but sure there's a lot of "P"s out there who are younger with the similar mindset that their right to be on the road gives them super powers. :)~

 

 

The vast majority didn't require P plates either.

That wasn't brought in until about 2008.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:27 AM

That's the thing with millenials.  The old saying went that teenagers "know everything".
With my generation you left home at a fairly early age and quickly realised how wrong that is.
 
It seems with millenials the attitude persists whether they leave home or not, and well into their thirties, just how long it will persist is yet to be seen.  And it can extend to subjects that they have the most tenuous personal link with.

Dunno. Some people believe they know everything well into their 60s. Not sure this is a generational problem so much as just a getting older problem.

I had my licence just before QLD went all "P" platey with the licences. You had to show the "L" plate, but it was lawful to not have "P"s once full licence was gained.

Ah man, fun times. I was on my Ps when I moved to Qld, and still on them when I moved back, and I kept forgetting to put my P plates back on the car(s) when driving.
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 06:57 PM

 

 

 

 


Why ? unless it's you being a a blind-tail-gating-no indicating-little shit who believes it's your right to change lanes on a round-about on the whim of desire, then I wouldn't waste the emotion ;) ... up here, "P" platers are the worst for this feeling of righteousness.

And they would mostly be " millennials " brought up believing every body loves them as much as their indulging parents do ... or did .

 

 

Millennials are over 30 now, you realize? Some easily within a stones throw of 40.

And you wonder why they're bitter assholes toward previous generations.

We've had 30 years of "that sort of talk". It wears thin.

 

Of course I realise the general age of a millennial ,lol. Do you realise that this might well be the second time round these perhaps same millies ( abv) have been on their "P"s ? I say this cos well you know it's all the youngie-newbies that think they can handle the dope/grog/etc. and still drive like a champion.I had my licence just before QLD went all "P" platey with the licences. You had to show the "L" plate, but it was lawful to not have "P"s once full licence was gained. So those millies feel insulted by the law telling them to be "P" platers, and this 'colours' their driving abilities and how they 'play' with others on the road ( paved or not ) ... but sure there's a lot of "P"s out there who are younger with the similar mindset that their right to be on the road gives them super powers. :)~

 

 

The vast majority didn't require P plates either.

That wasn't brought in until about 2008.

 

Bet they did require them the second time round ... you know, when they lost their licence the first time for being insufferably righteous in their driving habits :P~

I didn't bother to google, but I had thought it was a few years earlier than 2008 . No matter really.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:29 PM

"P-Plates" are voluntary here in Blighty.

My daughter displayed them for about 3 months until she realised people were putting her at risk trying to get by her just because she was displaying P's.

 

You think it's bad there Chris.  It's nigh on total Anarchy on the UK's highways these days.

As you know, Vehicle Insurance is compulsory here but Peterborough is now known as the "No Insurance Capital" of the UK. Yes there's a very real likelihood of being involved in a Fender Bender with an Eastern European who has driven round a corner on the wrong side of the road and doesn't give a shit about insurance.



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Posted 10 January 2018 - 03:27 AM

Yeah, I've heard it has gottten bad Outcast, not been back for a few years.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 11:11 AM

So every car has to have comprehensive?  And by the sound of the article the base coverage is pretty pathetic and you mightn't even be covered for driving from work to a lunch destination.



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Posted 10 January 2018 - 12:52 PM

So every car has to have comprehensive?  And by the sound of the article the base coverage is pretty pathetic and you mightn't even be covered for driving from work to a lunch destination.


I don't know the state of car insurance in the U.K. anymore Ry, Outcast will, but it was always shit even when I lived there, the U'K insurance industry has the attitude of you pay us we probably wont honor a claim :)

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:46 PM



So every car has to have comprehensive?  And by the sound of the article the base coverage is pretty pathetic and you mightn't even be covered for driving from work to a lunch destination.

 

No. Third Party at least, which, depending on your age can be just as expensive as Fully Comp. If your car is on finance then it must be Fully Comp.

 

Either way.... It's legalised extortion !

 

eg: My 20 year old daughter (the youngest one) has just paid £800 fully comp on a little Peugeot 107 and that's with 1 years no claims bonus.

I've just renewed mine and it's £230 for a 2007 2.2l Civic.

 

As Chris said, they use any reason to not pay out or raise your premium.



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Posted 10 January 2018 - 10:07 PM

Do you mean 3rd party only or 3rd party property?

 

Straight up 3rd party is part of the rego cost here, some states you have to get it as a seperate entity.  3rd party only covers injury medical cost to other people in an accident.

The cost where I am at least is fixed regardless of age/history etc. but you have choice of provider each time you renew, from memory the cost difference is only $10 one way or the other.


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 10:33 PM

in sidders, third party (green slip) is a separate and mandatory item, with exactly the same cover from all providers, but prices between them vary by up to ~ a hundred dollars for the same vehicle for no apparent reason whatsoever - that's capitalism in action, demonstrating "competition", or so they say

 

for my 250cc bike it's ~ $250, but for our subaru outback it's just shy of $600

third party property, or comprehensive (optional) is an added impost

and then there's rego


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 12:33 AM

Third Party Fire & Theft is the correct term.

 

Basic insurance that covers damage YOU cause to others including their personal injuries.

 

It does not pay for repairs to your own vehicle unless it gets nicked or torched or personal injury.

 

For a vehicle to be parked on the public highway (street) in the UK it must have passed an annual roadworthiness vehicle inspection, Be taxed (Vehicle Excise Duty .Road Tax by any other name)

and at least TPFT insurance.

 

I must admit that I've never heard of not being covered for a commute to work !

 

One good thing about all now is that Road Tax discs are not issued anymore. It's all online. There are websites where you can check if the vehicle is insured, taxed etc

 

Here's one

 

Hopefully if you punch my rego in KX07AKC it'll say I'm insured !!

He told the court the insurance had not paid out on the incident, as he was drink driving.

 

 

Ooops

 

lol .. That'll learn im !


Edited by Outcast_Aussie, 11 January 2018 - 12:20 AM.





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