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#41 @~thehung

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 08:54 PM

it's not (just)  the food intake of western chefs that makes them fat... it's the wine they drink while working (and after working)

When I worked in the industry the skinny chefs were into reasonably hard drugs, and the more solid chefs tended to be into pot and beer  and toasted sangers at the end of the night ;)


plus, the constant nibbling to check seasoning, and the long hours can both play havoc with metabolism.
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Posted 01 February 2018 - 10:34 AM

" Bodies aren't stupid "

 

The above was the first thing I said in this thread. You believe bodies are stupid.

 

I do believe that!

Fit healthy athletes can develop things like Diabetes, and die without medical intervention.

An otherwise healthy family friend just found out he has motor neurons disease.

Personally, I think we're quite a frail species.

 

You're welcome to disagree; Opinions are allowed to differ you know....

 

You believe this whilst in your young adult life you fill it (your body ) with shit that non-professionals tell you is okay cos it's legal produce ie; solid / liquid food /powders / pills etc.

 

Oh? Can you give examples?

The only thing I put in my body is food and drink, with the only real "odd" chemical being Caffeine.

I have used Protein Powder in the past, and still do occasionally, but only because professionals recommend it, as Its a good source of animal protein for someone who doesn't eat a lot of red meat.

 

As I've explained before, my diet has been looked at by nutritionists in the past, and hasn't changed.

 

You don't question any products being legally sold, and you manage to truly skimp on products you use within your living space,

 

Can you explain this?

What don't I question?

 

Also, I don't "truly skimp" on anything, thank you Judge.

I own everything I need (and usually in excess!).

Plus, if I ever need something else I'm local to some major shops.

 

and have no problem breathing in any and all sorts of toxic product, cos well it's legally sold and purchased.

 

Like what?

Example?

 

IMO you don't know the consistent hygienic parameters of any of the kitchens that produce the food you buy on a daily basis.

 

I suppose not.

But I'm not eating Paleo. So bacteria is killed by heat.

You can see the kitchens (they're all open-planned) and I've eaten there for more than 10 years.

 

And now you have some sort of expectation that I will provide proof that you should treat your body with far more respect than you appear ( to me ) to have done so far.

 

Yes I do expect that.

You're talking to someone who's living a very nearly [thanks nich, see following posts] straight-edge.

 

Never tried alcohol.

Never trialed 'substances'.

Exercises often (usually...)

Gets a solid 5~7 hours sleep every night and never even risked an 'all nighter';

and to top it off, have doctors telling me my bloodwork is 'perfect'.

 

So yes, before you start casting "shame" to use your own words, I expect you to provide proof.

 

Perhaps I think you are older than you are, excuse me.

Late 20's

 

but when it comes to your own body you won't spend the time to find and LISTEN to a Doctor who is a professional. ... also, what are " stims "

What are you on about?

I've found, and listened. to many doctors.

 

Luck would have it, In my life they've all been wrong and specialists have had to correct them!

However that doesn't mean anything about whether or not I listened initially.

 

Btw, Stims are anything that speeds your cognitive functions up; Caffeine is the most common.

 

Shame on your thinking,

 

Shame on your judgemental attitude.

 

And then you have the gall to tell me I am paranoid and unrealistic  ... o_0 ffs troll much ?!

 

Not trolling at all.

If all you have is that I don't know, a. the brand of dish soap, b. what the tables were wiped with, and c. if my cook is sick?

Well I didn't know any of that when I grew up with my parents either.

Brands changed based on what has the best competition on at the time, and I didn't monitor my mothers temperature.

 

In my personal opinion, that is paranoid.

We don't have to agree, it's just how I feel about it.

 

And yes I have the gall to call it as I see it.

 

Don't you dare come back with  ... " well if the goods are legally sold then they must be okay to imbibe / use

Don't dare? Why?

 

If I was doing something like drinking the entire bottle of dish soap, I might be inclined to agree it's something to look at.

However while you clearly disagree, I do feel that Australian Food Grade cleaning products are safe enough in trace amounts.

In many professionals opinions, It's what makes them food grade.

FYI we're actually one of the strictest countries when it comes to meeting 'food grade' requirements.

 

Once again, you're welcome to not agree, and If you have professional education in why our food grade products are not food grade, I'd be interested, but so far it feels like you're just attacking someones life.... because... well to be honest I'm not sure why.


Edited by Master_Scythe, 01 February 2018 - 10:56 AM.

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Posted 01 February 2018 - 10:48 AM

Strictly straight edge (apart from the caffeine)?


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#44 Master_Scythe

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Posted 01 February 2018 - 10:53 AM

Of course you'd compare eating vegetables to dying of skin cancer from sunbaking <.<

 

Woah, thats dark.

I didn't say die.

I didn't even mention the most treatable form of cancer (which I'm apparently now dying from?).

 

Sun is unpleasant.

I see (literally) the world 2~3X brighter than you do.

Ever said "Gee, that's glary", double it. It's like a dagger through the temples.

 

If I'm going to get more deliberate direct sun exposure and put myself through that borderline torture, I'm sure as hell going to want to be at least.... suspicious.... that that's what I need.

Hence vitamin D tests to do that.

 

Do you not feel it's human nature?

When it comes to putting yourself through near intolerable experiences (like 'extra' Direct sun, or force feeding), it's only natural for a person to want to be assured there is good reason to put yourself through that?

 

IMO (I know not everyone believes in this) I believe that Happiness and Stress are contributing factors to health.

As such, if im going to take meal times and make them unpleasant and stressful, I'd honestly like a chemical reason, because I'm not convinced that's healthy (mentally).

 

Strictly straight edge (apart from the caffeine)?

 

Huh, I stand corrected.

 

Thank you!

 

I just googled.

There's a proper definition for it.....

I also don't follow a vegan diet.....

 

I was under the impression it was a blanket term for "staying clean, living well, not sleeping around"

 

I'll go edit that!

 

and edit again;

https://en.wikipedia...i/Straight_edge

There are two takes on it. My stance on drugs, sex and alcohol still fits the definition.

But I'll leave the edit, because you're right 'strictly' was the wrong word.


Edited by Master_Scythe, 01 February 2018 - 11:55 AM.

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Posted 01 February 2018 - 11:32 AM

 

Do you get enough sunlight? do you wear a bluetooth enabled light meter that feeds your phone real time data, and alerts you if you need 93 seconds more one day? if not, then you should probably stay inside all the time and risk a vitamin D deficiency, because its just not worth going outside and easily getting enough without good data.  or maybe, getting safely between too much and too little is a natural consequence of non-morbid habits.  same goes for diet.

 
I used to use a Microsoft Band 2 to measure that, but it wasn't accurate to the second, no.
However, Vitamin D levels are something that shows up on bloodwork.
 
But, I agree with your first half;

 


vitamin D was just a stand in. a bit of a red herring. i fear youre still missing my point.

http://www.medicalda...sunlight-246487
"...sun exposure has numerous health benefits that go beyond just vitamin D...Your amount of daylight exposure is vital in maintaining a normal circadian rhythm...Regular sunlight exposure can naturally increase the serotonin levels in your body, making you more active and alert...Skin that is exposed to ultraviolet (UV) rays release a compound, nitric oxide, that lowers blood pressure..."

causes and effects are deeply circuitous. a lack of sunlight can be instrumental in poor quality sleep, which in turn can be instrumental in immune system dysfunction. and on it goes. whether or not this or that chemical or factor can sometimes be identified as a major player in a discrete process, at the micro level, the illusion of independent systems quickly beaks down.  ill health tends to arise from a confluence of subclinical causes, that is, a host of mechanisms so numerous and chaotically intermingled they are beyond selective identification.  its no more feasible to attempt tracking them comprehensively than it is for a modern physicist to track all the motion vectors in a small puff of smoke.

 

what i am saying is, do not fall into the trap of thinking your health can be micromanaged with a handful of markers, like running an occasional diagnostic on a server array.  much of this information is only useful after the fact, after a failure of some sort has caused noisy data to peak above a certain threshold.  whatever you can track is of course useful for troubleshooting and as guideline for what is probably working, but its hard to overstate how piddly this information is from a preventative maintenance standpoint. 

 

for instance, suppose your neck muscles are spasming due to local inflammation.  the overall effect of your diet on your immune system could be implicated in this.  and/or, maybe you arent getting quite enough magnesium.   magnesium, by the way, regulates your levels of other minerals like potassium and calcium.  are you going to track that shit?  NO!  just be sure to eat some legumes and spinach etc every once in a while.


Edited by @~thehung, 01 February 2018 - 11:33 AM.

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Posted 01 February 2018 - 12:16 PM

 

a failure of some sort has caused noisy data to peak above a certain threshold.  whatever you can track is of course useful for troubleshooting and as guideline for what is probably working, but its hard to overstate how piddly this information is from a preventative maintenance standpoint. 

 

for instance, suppose your neck muscles are spasming due to local inflammation.  the overall effect of your diet on your immune system could be implicated in this.  and/or, maybe you arent getting quite enough magnesium.   magnesium, by the way, regulates your levels of other minerals like potassium and calcium.  are you going to track that shit?  NO!  just be sure to eat some legumes and spinach etc every once in a while.

 

 

I do understand your point.

Honest I do.

And I know I 'swing wide' with my remarks.

And you're spot on with the server analogy.

 

All I'm pointing out, is that without data its literally throwing shit at a wall and rather than 'seeing what sticks', you're only allowed to measure results based on remaining mass.

So even if 'something sticks' you can confirm that something did, but have no idea what!

 

Regardless of that, Medically, there is no evidence my diet is significantly lacking.

Its certainly not PERFECT, but it's nutritionist checked.

 

Even if that evidence is reaction based, that would even be OK, but in this instance "Sore throat == bad diet" is about as far a stretch as I think I've ever heard.

 

I'm sure (well hope) you can understand why I get frustrated and defensive when people basically pop up and say "You're doing it wrong" without evidence.

It's just attacking someones life, without even asking the questions, it's just opinion, spoken as fact, forced in your face.

 

I appreciate that you're trying to help.

Honest!

 

But in my life, for my mental state to be happy;

I at least require a speck of evidence that X is a problem to implement a solution.

Guesswork makes me strangely nervous and makes me feel like I should be re-arranging crystals and looking for my 'angels', if you get my drift :P


Edited by Master_Scythe, 01 February 2018 - 12:17 PM.

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Posted 01 February 2018 - 04:38 PM

well, for what its worth, i havent made any strong presumptions about whether your diet is good or bad.

 

"relying on restaurant meals for nutrition has 'bad idea' written all over it" is just cautionary and worth discussing.  but i think "the asian-style [restaurant] meals are probably good", as is your home stir fry. 

 

 

i admit i am naturally sceptical of any adult professing to hate (almost) all veggies.  it just seems so much more likely that you havent spent enough time acquiring those tastes for whatever reason.  it doesnt mean you are lying though.  but i urge you to keep trying to find a way, because its one of those nothing to lose, everything to gain things.

 

as for ""Sore throat == bad diet" is about as far a stretch as I think I've ever heard." — c'mon, thats a straw man! 

 

hypothetical 'implicated' factors arent necessarily causal.  its all about thresholds, and compounded effects.  i dont do a day of 'back breaking' work very often.  they tend to be one-offs for me.  but there can be a very big difference between whether or not ive been stretching or doing weights and drinking enough water etc in the preceding days.  these things can make the difference between a bit of an ache that subsides after a movie on a soft couch and a good sleep, or accidentally tweaking something in my back while casually drying myself in the shower the following morning and then hobbling around like an old man with 'a crook back' for a couple of days.  ie. the presence or lack of certain preventative factors can totally transform the characteristics of a symptom irrespective of the initial cause/s.


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Posted 01 February 2018 - 07:39 PM

 

" Bodies aren't stupid "

 

The above was the first thing I said in this thread. You believe bodies are stupid.

 

I do believe that!

Fit healthy athletes can develop things like Diabetes, and die without medical intervention.

An otherwise healthy family friend just found out he has motor neurons disease.

Personally, I think we're quite a frail species.

 

You're welcome to disagree; Opinions are allowed to differ you know....

 

You believe this whilst in your young adult life you fill it (your body ) with shit that non-professionals tell you is okay cos it's legal produce ie; solid / liquid food /powders / pills etc.

 

Oh? Can you give examples?

The only thing I put in my body is food and drink, with the only real "odd" chemical being Caffeine.

I have used Protein Powder in the past, and still do occasionally, but only because professionals recommend it, as Its a good source of animal protein for someone who doesn't eat a lot of red meat.

 

As I've explained before, my diet has been looked at by nutritionists in the past, and hasn't changed.

 

You don't question any products being legally sold, and you manage to truly skimp on products you use within your living space,

 

Can you explain this?

What don't I question?

 

Also, I don't "truly skimp" on anything, thank you Judge.

I own everything I need (and usually in excess!).

Plus, if I ever need something else I'm local to some major shops.

 

and have no problem breathing in any and all sorts of toxic product, cos well it's legally sold and purchased.

 

Like what?

Example?

 

IMO you don't know the consistent hygienic parameters of any of the kitchens that produce the food you buy on a daily basis.

 

I suppose not.

But I'm not eating Paleo. So bacteria is killed by heat.

You can see the kitchens (they're all open-planned) and I've eaten there for more than 10 years.

 

And now you have some sort of expectation that I will provide proof that you should treat your body with far more respect than you appear ( to me ) to have done so far.

 

Yes I do expect that.

You're talking to someone who's living a very nearly [thanks nich, see following posts] straight-edge.

 

Never tried alcohol.

Never trialed 'substances'.

Exercises often (usually...)

Gets a solid 5~7 hours sleep every night and never even risked an 'all nighter';

and to top it off, have doctors telling me my bloodwork is 'perfect'.

 

So yes, before you start casting "shame" to use your own words, I expect you to provide proof.

 

Perhaps I think you are older than you are, excuse me.

Late 20's

 

but when it comes to your own body you won't spend the time to find and LISTEN to a Doctor who is a professional. ... also, what are " stims "

What are you on about?

I've found, and listened. to many doctors.

 

Luck would have it, In my life they've all been wrong and specialists have had to correct them!

However that doesn't mean anything about whether or not I listened initially.

 

Btw, Stims are anything that speeds your cognitive functions up; Caffeine is the most common.

 

Shame on your thinking,

 

Shame on your judgemental attitude.

 

And then you have the gall to tell me I am paranoid and unrealistic  ... o_0 ffs troll much ?!

 

Not trolling at all.

If all you have is that I don't know, a. the brand of dish soap, b. what the tables were wiped with, and c. if my cook is sick?

Well I didn't know any of that when I grew up with my parents either.

Brands changed based on what has the best competition on at the time, and I didn't monitor my mothers temperature.

 

In my personal opinion, that is paranoid.

We don't have to agree, it's just how I feel about it.

 

And yes I have the gall to call it as I see it.

 

Don't you dare come back with  ... " well if the goods are legally sold then they must be okay to imbibe / use

Don't dare? Why?

 

If I was doing something like drinking the entire bottle of dish soap, I might be inclined to agree it's something to look at.

However while you clearly disagree, I do feel that Australian Food Grade cleaning products are safe enough in trace amounts.

In many professionals opinions, It's what makes them food grade.

FYI we're actually one of the strictest countries when it comes to meeting 'food grade' requirements.

 

Once again, you're welcome to not agree, and If you have professional education in why our food grade products are not food grade, I'd be interested, but so far it feels like you're just attacking someones life.... because... well to be honest I'm not sure why.

 

Oh my goodness gracious me :)

 

Instead of just reacting to my post, you could have spent a little time thinking that another's approach to your dilemma is at least worth considering. But given you haven't done that with anyone here that's replied to you I was silly to think my post would make any difference;

Instead you'd prefer to bank on a nutritionists appraisal ( one you admit was given to you years back, or rather " in the past " was the term used). It's your call dude :P I said already I've no thoughts to give you on your diet, it was more how you acquired the food I have issue with.

I choose not to treat you like a child (also it's just too hot here to do your homework ), so if you really are interested do the work for your own well being.

 

My comment of  ... "breathing in any and all sorts of toxic product" ... comes from one of my stints of lurking in areas of the forum in the vain hopes of some of the info to be found gels ;) You and some others were have a convo about 'puter stuffs and you'd

had a little excitement at home with something over heating or exploding or somesuch with the result being you were smelling some nasty vapour. Not healthy, also all the work you do with cars has some pretty toxic shit involved too ya know !?

 

Your comment ... " In my personal opinion, that is paranoid." ... doesn't matter how pleasantly you say it, you reckon my thought process is paranoid ... how simply sweet of you ;) <<< fucking sarcasm alert !! :)


 

 

it's not (just)  the food intake of western chefs that makes them fat... it's the wine they drink while working (and after working)

When I worked in the industry the skinny chefs were into reasonably hard drugs, and the more solid chefs tended to be into pot and beer  and toasted sangers at the end of the night ;)

 


plus, the constant nibbling to check seasoning, and the long hours can both play havoc with metabolism.

 

In today's Australian, there was a pic of a caucasian French 3Star chef ( Michelin ). He was thin. Most likely caused from the stresses of maintaining his 3Stars.


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Posted 02 February 2018 - 02:38 PM

and to top it off, have doctors telling me my bloodwork is 'perfect'.


My bloodwork was just about "perfect" on the 1st of January, around 10PM.

Just slightly high red cell count due to dehydration.

A doctor was saying this to me as I was semi-conscious in the emergency room after a home visit doctor said "I think you have pneumonia, you should go to hospital."

The "Full" in "Full Blood Count" is anything but.

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