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#41 Jeruselem

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Posted 17 July 2018 - 07:18 PM

I have the luxury of my Dad being an a retired GP, I can't get prescriptions but I do get an expert opinion at home first so I can avoid going to a doctor who will just tell me take some drugs.


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Posted 18 July 2018 - 09:32 AM

http://www.abc.net.a...fusion/10000008

 

You might have MHR account already due to opt out trial done earlier affecting a million people


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Posted 18 July 2018 - 08:27 PM

http://www.abc.net.a...ection=politics

 

" The man appointed by Malcolm Turnbull to transform the Commonwealth's digital public services has said if he was Australian he would probably opt out of the Government's controversial online health database.

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Paul Shetler, the former head of the Government's Digital Transformation Agency, is not an Australian citizen but told the ABC if he was he would "probably" withdraw from My Health Record.

He said he took issue with the way My Health Record required users to arrange their own security settings, rather than defaulting to a more private set-up.

"I think it's problematic. Those kind of security settings kind of make sense for an opt-in system … but when it becomes an opt-out system, and you find out all your data is on there, 'oh, and by the way it's all being shared',

well, no — I think that's one of the flaws," Mr Shetler told RN Breakfast..."

 

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Posted 18 July 2018 - 10:50 PM

this will be like the australia card, only more bodily fluids


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Posted 18 July 2018 - 11:10 PM

http://www.abc.net.a...ection=politics

 

" The man appointed by Malcolm Turnbull to transform the Commonwealth's digital public services has said if he was Australian he would probably opt out of the Government's controversial online health database.

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Paul Shetler, the former head of the Government's Digital Transformation Agency, is not an Australian citizen but told the ABC if he was he would "probably" withdraw from My Health Record.

He said he took issue with the way My Health Record required users to arrange their own security settings, rather than defaulting to a more private set-up.

"I think it's problematic. Those kind of security settings kind of make sense for an opt-in system … but when it becomes an opt-out system, and you find out all your data is on there, 'oh, and by the way it's all being shared',

well, no — I think that's one of the flaws," Mr Shetler told RN Breakfast..."

 

More in the link,

 

My Health Record is just a rebadged PCEHR from the Rudd government. PCEHR was opt-in and it looks like the security settings default to open than closed due to the original design


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Posted 19 July 2018 - 02:22 PM

Apparently since I live in North Queensland I needed to opt out in 2016 and I already have one.

 

I'm not impressed.


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Posted 19 July 2018 - 02:35 PM

https://www.news.com...28a461343dd4704

 

The UK put in an opt-out system which was scrapped in the end. Did the DHA take an lessons from this? NOPE


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Posted 19 July 2018 - 02:55 PM

Apparently since I live in North Queensland I needed to opt out in 2016 and I already have one.

 

I'm not impressed.

 

yes, funny about that

 

now they're using the same protocol that they did in that "trial" to conscript the rest of the country

 

 

lack of dissent is not informed consent, but that's okay, they're liberals, so they're liberal with your "co-operation"


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Posted 19 July 2018 - 03:07 PM

 

Apparently since I live in North Queensland I needed to opt out in 2016 and I already have one.

 

I'm not impressed.

 

yes, funny about that

 

now they're using the same protocol that they did in that "trial" to conscript the rest of the country

 

 

lack of dissent is not informed consent, but that's okay, they're liberals, so they're liberal with your "co-operation"

 

 

The trial roped in about 1 million users ...


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Posted 19 July 2018 - 09:29 PM

well, here's my handout for patients :

 

My Health Record – please read this information

 

 

In medicine we are obliged to gain "informed consent" for any intervention, most definitely if there is potential for an adverse outcome, yet the government demonstrates that "uniformed lack of dissent" is enough to let them do what they want. I strongly recommend that all Australians without complex and life-threatening medical issues take time to consider the potential consequences of not opting out of the "My Health Record" while they can. You can always reconsider at leisure, but with regards to being conscripted, should you later decide against continued inclusion - "you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave."

The government shows a complete absence of conscience in not being completely open about a significant change in arrangements which has potential to affect all Australians and informing them individually as a matter of course, rather than imposing an unfair arrangement on their behalf without requiring explicit agreement.

 

 

My recommendation is that you check the following information and then make an informed choice. If the government doesn't want to tell you about their pending arrangements, I feel it's my duty as your doctor to bring this matter to your attention so that you are able to have the opportunity to defer your participation until the system is tested in the real world. No ethics committee would allow me to undertake a potentially dangerous trial without your voluntary agreement, and only then if you had no other acceptable options.

 

For some patients this system should hopefully be a useful tool for assisting in their care, but for most people it has much more risk than benefit. It's your record, sure. So it makes sense that it's your choice whether you need to enable it at this point in your life, or whether you accept its limitations at a later date where it justifies the risk. Hopefully by then my paranoia will be proven baseless, but perhaps you'll be pleased that you delayed being given an unproven treatment.

 

 

the case for opting in :

https://theconversat...opting-in-99850

 

the case for opting out :

https://theconversat...pting-out-99302

 

further reading worth consideration :

http://www.abc.net.a...ncerns/10006788

 

the current privacy policies of My Health Record (a long read, not for the faint of heart) :

https://www.myhealth.../privacy-policy

 

 

 

If you decide to have a record created, you need do nothing and it will happen automatically.

 

If you personally request the pending automatic enrolment to be put on hold, you are free to opt in at any later time. If the government had continued to enrol people at their own request, this action would not be required, and I would not have needed to encourage your active dissent to allow you the same freedom of choice. A choice you will lose on 15 October this year if you let it lapse.

 

To opt out : https://www.myhealth...y-health-record


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 08:59 AM

if that wasn't enough, here's an extract from the privacy policy

 

Changes to this privacy policy 

We reserve the right to revise this privacy policy or any part of it from time to time. Please review this Policy periodically for changes. Any revised policy will be placed on our website. Your continued use of our website, the My Health Record system, requesting our assistance, or the provision of further personal information to us after this privacy policy has been revised, constitutes your acceptance of the revised privacy policy

 

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Edited by scruffy1, 20 July 2018 - 08:59 AM.

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Posted 20 July 2018 - 09:41 AM

 

if that wasn't enough, here's an extract from the privacy policy

 

Changes to this privacy policy 

We reserve the right to revise this privacy policy or any part of it from time to time. Please review this Policy periodically for changes. Any revised policy will be placed on our website. Your continued use of our website, the My Health Record system, requesting our assistance, or the provision of further personal information to us after this privacy policy has been revised, constitutes your acceptance of the revised privacy policy

 

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Summary - we're making this shit up as we go along and you can't do anything about it


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 08:29 PM

and just in :

 

https://www.theage.c...720-p4zsre.html


Edited by scruffy1, 20 July 2018 - 08:29 PM.

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Posted Yesterday, 02:12 AM

and just in :


And will it make any difference whatsoever to our mob of criminal children? No. No, it will not.

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Posted Yesterday, 09:15 AM

 

and just in :


And will it make any difference whatsoever to our mob of criminal children? No. No, it will not.

 

 

Not completely useless to the kids, because they are like 50% you and your medical conditions might be of interest to them as they find out what they've inherited.


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Posted Yesterday, 10:50 AM

Given the implied 'threat' in The Age's article to the Singaporean PM, it would be interesting to note whether our own pollie leaders are opting out . Is Malcy or Dutton or Shorty or Pauline worried that their health records will be desired by terrorists ?

I'm really now quite curious to know if they are showing their support by having their own info collected and collated


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Posted Yesterday, 02:06 PM

cut n pasted from mypost over at ocau, because i am getting tired of repeating the work

 

from the guardian (australian edition)
There is no social licence for My Health Record. Australians should reject it
https://www.theguard...hould-reject-it

A former journalist, entrepreneur, and government adviser, Kelsey left England in September 2015 at the height of the care.data controversy. He moved to Australia and initially joined Telstra Health, which had just acquired Dr Foster, a health data analytics firm that he cofounded in 1999. Then in July 2016, he took over the helm of the newly created Australian Digital Health Agency, the ADHA, which was to promote the historically-underperforming Personally Controlled Electronic Health Record under its rebadged name, My Health Record.

While current messaging about My Health Record has emphasised the undoubted merits of healthcare providers having up-to-date patient information, Kelsey has repeatedly characterised the scheme in very different terms. The government’s intention is “to harness the power of the modern information revolution to empower and enable clinicians to offer industry and entrepreneurs and innovators a new platform for delivery of new services”, he said in an interview last October.

“It’s about creating new industrial entrepreneurial opportunities for great apps developers over here; existing large vendors over there – to engage with the public estate, to transform the experience for citizens in England [sic],” was his message to the Committee for Economic Development of Australia.


noting in the privacy provisions

Who do we disclose information in your My Health Record to, and why?
We and other participants in the My Health Record system disclose your personal information as part of healthcare providers providing you with healthcare. We disclose your personal information in accordance with the access controls you have set, or as otherwise required or authorised by law.

We may disclose personal information included in your My Health Record, including identification details used to create your My Health Record, to:
 

  • you
     
  • your authorised representative(s)
     
  • your nominated representative(s) in accordance with your access controls
     
  • registered healthcare providers and healthcare provider organisations involved in your healthcare in accordance with your access controls
     
  • a registered healthcare provider (including individuals and organisations) in an emergency situation
     
  • registered Contracted Service Providers (CSPs), such as companies providing information technology services to healthcare providers, in accordance with your access controls
     
  • registered portal operators if you, your representative or healthcare provider accesses your My Health Record through a registered portal
     
  • registered repository operators for the purpose of storing, indexing and calling for documents about you which form part of your My Health Record
     
  • participants in the My Health Record system if we need to investigate or resolve a technical, security or privacy issue
     
  • the Australian Commission on Safety and Quality in Health Care, where necessary to ensure the clinical safety of individuals using the My Health Record system
     
  • contractors and delegates of the System Operator to assist us in establishing and operating the My Health Record system. Contractors and delegates are bound by strict obligations to treat individuals’ personal information with the same level of respect, privacy and security that they are entitled to from the System Operator

There are limited other circumstances in which your information may be collected, used and disclosed under the My Health Records Act. These limited circumstances include the provision of indemnity cover for healthcare providers, disclosure to courts and tribunals, for the purposes of coroner's investigations, and for law enforcement purposes.

and again, for anyone a bit slow to get the idea :

Changes to this privacy policy
We reserve the right to revise this privacy policy or any part of it from time to time. Please review this Policy periodically for changes. Any revised policy will be placed on our website. Your continued use of our website, the My Health Record system, requesting our assistance, or the provision of further personal information to us after this privacy policy has been revised, constitutes your acceptance of the revised privacy policy.






so, the choice is yours currently, and i again encourage you to make an informed decision whilst you have the choice to make a choice, because after that window of opportunity, even opting out leaves a substantial digital footprint that the government can use as they see fit, and they'll let you know if that happens as long as you carefully monitor the 8000+ word privacy policy on line constantly, or maybe any other place on their website maybe (who can say?) because that's the only place they have said they'll let you know


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#58 Jeruselem

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Posted Yesterday, 04:26 PM

Kelsey was involved the UK version and they consequencely fell over and got abandoned ... he's now here pushing our version of it


Edited by Jeruselem, Yesterday, 04:26 PM.

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Posted Yesterday, 06:50 PM

yeah, a 13 billion quid loss and system being abandoned is a great predictor for government success


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