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#1195054 Parts Guide

Posted by Dasa on 18 August 2017 - 02:42 PM

ok made some updates


Intel Low Budget Gamer G4560 Review | Updated 18/08/2017
CPU Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual Core HT  $79
MB ASRock H110M-HDV  $75 
RAM 1x8G 2133  $89  cpu will take a performance hit till second stick is added -OR- CMK16GX4M2A2133C13  $185 
GPU GTX1050 Ti 4GB  $199  -OR- GTX 1060 3GB  $295  -OR- RX 570 4GB  $349 
HDD 1TB 7200rpm  $64  -OR- Crucial MX300 275GB $135
CASE\PSU Antec ESK3450B-U3-P with 450W $74
TOTAL $381-IGP (ok for a start but for gaming get a gpu quick) $580-897
AMD Low Budget Gamer Ryzen 3 Review Updated 18/08/2017
CPU AMD Ryzen 3 1200 $149
MB  Asrock AB350M-HDV $99 -OR- ASRock AB350M Pro4 $119
RAM 1x8 2400c14 $100 -OR-  16G (2x8) 3000 $189
GPU GTX 1060 3g $295 -OR- RX 570 4GB $349 -OR- GTX1060 6GB $389
SSD Crucial MX300 275\525GB $135\215
PSU Corsair CX450 Bronze 5y $75
CASE Deepcool Smarter $37
TOTAL $890-$1173
AMD Gamer Ryzen 5 Review Updated 18/08/2017
CPU Ryzen 5 1600 3.2-3.6GHz 6C\12T $289 -OR- AMD Ryzen 7 1700 3-3.7GHz 8C16T $425
MB ASRock AB350M Pro4 $119 -OR- Gigabyte GA-AB350-Gaming 3  $169
RAM 16G (2x8) 3000 $189 -OR- F4-3200C14D-16GFX $285
GPU GTX 1060 3g $295 -OR- RX 570 4GB $349 -OR- GTX1060 6GB $389 -OR- GTX 1070 8GB $579 -OR- GTX1080 8GB $699 -OR- EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti iCX $965
SSD Crucial MX300 525GB\1TB $215\$389 -OR- Samsung 960 EVO 500GB M.2 NVMe $329
PSU Antec TPC-550 5Y $99 -OR- Corsair TX650M Gold 7Y $139
CASE Deepcool Kendomen $65 -OR- SilverStone Kublai KL07B $99
HSF Be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 AM4 Edition $109 Optional <stock hsf is fine for a mild oc
TOTAL $1271-2580
Added ryzen 7 as a option which obviously helps when rendering but for current games your better of putting cash towards the gpu unless your just looking for something to tide you over till next gen
Intel Gamer Updated 18/08/2017
CPU i5-7600K 3.8-4.2Ghz Quad Core $320 -OR- i7 7700K 4.2-4.5GHz Quad Core HT $459
MB  ASRock Z270 Pro4 $159 -OR- ASUS Prime Z270-AR CF\SLI $235
RAM 3000c15\3200c16 2x8 16GB $200 -OR-  F4-3733C17D-16GTZA $339
GPU GTX1060 6GB $389 -OR- GTX 1070 8GB $578 -OR- GTX1080 8GB $699 -OR- EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti iCX $965
SSD ISamsung 960 EVO 500GB\1TB M.2 NVMe $329\$598
PSU Corsair RM550X Gold 10y $155 -OR- EVGA SuperNOVA 750W G2 -CF\SLi 10y $149
CASE Silverstone Raven RV05 $117
HSF Noctua NH-D14 $99 < tall ram my prevent install of second fan NH-D15S may also fit touching the side panel with middle fan
TOTAL $1379-igp $1768-$2862

#1194782 AMD Zen

Posted by Dasa on 11 August 2017 - 02:09 AM

there sure trying some interesting things




#1194724 Parts Guide

Posted by Dasa on 09 August 2017 - 01:59 PM

The Corsair M.2 offerings are just shy of the Samsung's performance but cheaper with smaller sizes. I'n my opinion... you're only running M.2 for the OS anyhow right?


looks like corsair cost a lot more than samsung


Transcend TS240GSSD220S 240G SATA III $106

Crucial MX300 275GB $135

Intel 600p Series 256GB M.2 $157

525Gb Crucial MX300 SATA $215

Samsung 250GB 960 EVO NVMe M.2  $185

Corsair Force Series MP500 240GB NVMe M.2 $249

Intel 600p Series 512GB M.2 $278

Samsung 960 EVO 500GB M.2 NVMe $322

Corsair MP500 480GB NVMe M.2 $359-550

Crucial MX300 1TB SATA $389

Intel 600P Series 1TB $449


i like to run a ssd for os\games so ~500g is a minimum for that

#1194706 Parts Guide

Posted by Dasa on 09 August 2017 - 09:41 AM

should probably add samsung 960 evo 500g as a option at $320

only left it out as i was originally thinking the build was more value orientated


1600x is ~10% faster for somebody that doesnt want to oc but for somebody that does oc the difference is very small

for some both reach 4ghz for others the 1600x hits 4.1ghz

i should probably mention that the stock cooler is good enough to oc the 1600 and the hsf is just to squeeze a little more at a lower noise level


if anything i should probably remove the X370 mb from the build as they don't seem to be worth the extra over b350


corsairs new tx psu look like good value to with 7y warranty


au $ has gained strength lately but all prices have gone up regardless :(

#1193870 AMD Zen

Posted by Dasa on 31 July 2017 - 09:56 AM


they overclocked the 1200\1300 to ~4ghz but for the tests they ran the 1200 in a a320 mb with 3200 ram rather than have two identical cpu

looks like it needs to be overclocked to be competitive with the i3 and the i5 7400 

sure its a bit slower than the i3 in single threaded and the i5 in multithreaded games but faster than the i5 in single

the fact that the 1200 is competitive with both over wider work loads makes it a great value option for overclockers imo

#1190879 The age old question, a PC for the relos...

Posted by Dasa on 17 April 2017 - 12:37 PM

use to use thunderbird but these days i just use gmail it seems much simpler and has less problems

#1190842 The age old question, a PC for the relos...

Posted by Dasa on 15 April 2017 - 01:59 PM

the single core performance of the Celeron J3455 is around that of the old athlon x2 which will make things load a little slower with a ssd than it would with the pentium but otherwise it should operate fine

its a fair bit quicker than the old e350 atom build i replace with a i3 nuc

#1190808 Parts Guide

Posted by Dasa on 14 April 2017 - 02:09 PM

added a new build

AMD Gamer Updated 14/04/2017
CPU Ryzen 5 1600 3.2-3.6GHz 6\12 Core\Thread $319
MB ASUS Prime X370 Pro $228
RAM 3000c15\3200c16 2x8 16GB $159
GPU RX480 8GB $339 -OR- GTX 1070 8GB $548 -OR- GTX1080 8GB $699 -OR- GTX 1080 Ti Founders Edition 11GB $999
SSD Crucial MX300 525GB $195
PSU XFX TS Series Gold 650W 5Y $129
CASE Deepcool Kendomen $63
HSF Noctua NH-D15 $115 Optional
TOTAL $1438-2213


updated it with faster ram as a option F4-3733C17D-16GTZA $243

the mb obviously cant handle 3733 but its one of the cheaper samsung b die kits available in au which oc well on amd systems and has a better chance of hitting 3200 stable than the corsair kit

for the extra $100 you could get a 8 core ryzen 1700 but for most current games the ram speed matters more than the extra cores

there has just been a bios released for ASUS Prime X370 Pro that seems to be helping with memory stability at higher speeds


performance wise amd 1600 trades blows with the 7600k

obviously the 7600k wins in any games without decent threading and the 1600 has a fair advantage in games that can make good use of more than 4 cores



still looking at mb options its a bit of a minefield at the moment with no perfect option all have there gremlins still largely bios related


ASRock AB350 Pro 4 $129 cheap with decent features and some reports of select ram kits hitting 2933

Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4 $159 seems to have a small selection of 3000\3200 ram kits supported which is more than most in its price range

Gigabyte GA-AB350-Gaming 3 $159 has alc 1220 audio but its ram qvl list is all but nonexistent however there is a few reports of improved results with the latest bios

#1190663 need a new GPU for my 3570k help

Posted by Dasa on 10 April 2017 - 10:58 AM

450-550w would be plenty for a rx 480

650w for overclocked ryzen and 1080ti

that cm has a longer warranty and higher quality caps than the corsair

the cm vanguard also has about the highest efficiency around in the low wattage range


16g is ample for games but if your using it for other work loads its worth considering

#1189956 AMD Zen

Posted by Dasa on 16 March 2017 - 06:27 AM



low clocks on the 1400\1500x is a shame but with some luck they will still hit 4ghz oc

looks like the 6 core cpu keeps the full 16m l3 cache but the 4 core disables the ccx leaving you with just 8m l3 which may also fix some of the latency related performance issues in games with ryzen

#1189826 Parts Guide

Posted by Dasa on 13 March 2017 - 07:13 PM

build updates were overdue

low Budget overclocker is gone for now hopefully amd can remedy this with there 4 core 8 thread cpu later in the year

updated the small build squeezing in as much power as i could hopefully its all ok and i havent overlooked compatibility problems (fair chance)

also added a budget ryzen workstation build

will do some more updates yet

#1189733 1080TI

Posted by Dasa on 10 March 2017 - 07:38 AM

reviews are out and as expected it edges out titan x while costing much less at $699us rrp same as the 1080 founders edition, $100 more than the gtx 1080 non reference at launch and $200 more than it is now


au prices are a bit of a rip off at $1200

#1189584 AMD Zen

Posted by Dasa on 07 March 2017 - 09:10 AM

truth is i dont think any of us will know for sure for some time yet

there is much work to be done before we will get a real look at how it performs in programs like games



apparently he said bulldozer is crap in that review so i may have gone to far with my fanboy comments above

#1189578 AMD Zen

Posted by Dasa on 07 March 2017 - 08:15 AM

he has some good points but his very one eyed

completely side stepping the ipc of the cpu in programs that care about cache\memory performance


saying games are running 300fps at low res now sure some games others are under 60fps due to the cpu this will improve a bit as bios\windows updates come out

his example of rainbow six siege is one that i tested which is still gpu bootlicked even at low res cherry picked!


bf1 results amd vs 7700k being near max sure if the game can make use of over 8 threads otherwise ryzen may well be at its max already as well

also bf1 is known to be buggy with 100% cpu usage for some people and only ~40% for others with the same cpu


programing bottlneck no shit same can be said for every program in existence none are perfect some worse than others but if one cpu is powerful enough in some areas to make up for that and the other isnt...


indicating bulldozer was better as 4 years later the second revision is able to beat the 6 year old 2500k in some new games afer putting up with years of sub 60fps performance....

focusing on average percentages to hide the fps deficiency


and again showing ipc in synthetics that only care about cpu performance not the cache system performance he really is pushing his side sorry but he is full of shit


aida64 may not be accurate for ryzen at this stage but there is memory performance problems there



on the final note true low res results are not a indication of future performance when improved multithreading is taken into account its only a indication of future performance for current games with a faster gpu or future games  that continue to use old engines

but they are a better indicator than high res results as at least you can still get a rough idea of how the cpu will scale with the extra cores

with high res results you can see nothing but the gpu's performance in many games



conclusion most amd fans will now admit bulldozer was a failure

somebody that is still trying to justify it... epic fanboy

#1189479 AMD Zen

Posted by Dasa on 03 March 2017 - 04:47 PM

high res results really dont matter
it still performs the same as a i5 7400 in anything with bad threading or 3770k-4790k in games with good threading just the gpu hides the difference vs faster cpu once the game becomes gpu bottlenecked