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#1197162 when will the war start ?

Posted by Master_Scythe on Today, 09:00 AM



It took me a minute to notice the watermark, and I for a minute I thought "Gee, he's actually really reasonable and light hearted about this whole thing, maybe it is the USA who's the worse of the two?" Then, parody.

#1197149 Pc build south Aus

Posted by Master_Scythe on Yesterday, 03:26 PM

thanks Nich thats what ill do ,Thanks Master_Scythe thats great advice but as i live in the north of Australia and shipping from south to there is over$100 ill order online and get me folks to collect me goodies,Cheers Guys

Mster _Scythe so by 1060 you mean vega,and yes ill only be gaming in 1080p


No, not at all.


I can't even find a Vega model with the number 1060

#1197144 Pc build south Aus

Posted by Master_Scythe on Yesterday, 01:25 PM

I still think the VEGA stuff is cool, but still needs to do its preliminary "New Technology!" price drop. So, yeah, VEGA is cool, but still the new kid on the block.

My vote is still a 1060 6GB, if you're playing at 1080p, and a 1070 if you're playing above that, or dabbling in VR.

Just IMO.

#1197079 Pondering morph a HP Z620 workstation into a work / gaming rig

Posted by Master_Scythe on 20 October 2017 - 02:57 PM

Sigh - imagine being wealthy enough to afford both paths - get one of each and benchmark.  Or if there was a dual Threadripper workstation motherboard...


Nah see, that won't happen IMO, for one main reason.

A threadripper chip is 2X 8 cores, there's actually enough room for ANOTHER two cores on the die.


32 core is on par with Intels greatest chip IIRC, so I don't think they'll be dual socketing them any time soon.

#1196996 New Rig help please Budget $2000

Posted by Master_Scythe on 18 October 2017 - 08:41 AM

and a GPU guys 

Well its been a while since i did an upgrade so im thinking i will sell a shit load more fishing gear and up my new rig to $3000


If you want to save some cash, look at the second hand market for an NVIDIA 1080. It'll laugh at anything you throw at it.

If you intend to do VR and are determined to spend a shit load of cash, 1080ti

If you just want to play current games at absolute max settings for the next couple of years, a 6GB 1060 or a 1070 will do.


VEGA is cool, but regardless of RRP, the "new tech price drop" will be a few months away!

#1196995 Pondering morph a HP Z620 workstation into a work / gaming rig

Posted by Master_Scythe on 18 October 2017 - 08:39 AM

Short answer Nich is no.  Just 1) always wanted a dual CPU rig - for over a decade now but prioritised $$$ elsewhere 2) Workstation quality gear is dirt cheap now and figure it will be built like a tank reliability wise 3) the CPU themselves are about $350 each - a barebone system 2 * E5-2603 with 8GB RAM is around USD $527.


I don't see it would be easy to get 20- 24 physical cores with existing Intel equipment (and certainly not in these price points).  Until I have this rig it will be hard to know how well it performs on its intended workload.  I know my I7 4 core 3.5 GHz CPUs tend to be over 50% faster on a simple astrophotography stack and register benchmark (my old beast vs my son's 1 year old gear).  So a 4 minute job on my PC might take 2 - 2.5 minutes on my Son's more modern rigs (as a very minimal test).  I will be very interested to see if the target rig would be a factor of five to ten times faster.  Six times the number of cores with faster memeory lanes should make a big difference.  If I could do my current simple test (10 - 20 images)  in under a minute then really big tests involving hundreds of images may be a real possibility.  I swapped from cooled infra red modded Canon's to cooled colour and mono dedicated astronomy cameras with surperbly low noise - so they should capture in 2 minutes what the Canon might take 12 mintues - meaning I will have now six times the data to process (far more for the mono camera - which might have 4 to 7 filters to combine).


While all of that is valid, its CERTAINLY worth pricing up Threadripper builds.


There's a very real chance it'll end up about 1:1 pricing, with all the modern instruction sets; making compute faster even if it appears slower on paper.

#1196977 Pondering morph a HP Z620 workstation into a work / gaming rig

Posted by Master_Scythe on 17 October 2017 - 11:38 AM

Considering the gaming is secondary, and we have at least a little tinsight into what you like to use your PC's for (all that crazy photography space wackiness), I'd opt or the more cores.

I just think you'll kick yourself if you don't.


It also means you can dedicate 10 cores to working on your 'tasks' and dedicate 2 cores to gaming full time.

Sure 2 cores might not be enough for ALL games, but the majority will handle that OK.



EDIT: or hell, VM's!

#1196974 New Rig help please Budget $2000

Posted by Master_Scythe on 17 October 2017 - 10:43 AM

civ6 seems to benefit from the extra cores\threads on amd cpu as the 1700 is faster than the 1600 when in most games the 1600 is faster due to its clock speed advantage


but the intel cpu dont seem to be benefiting with the 7700k and 8700k performing similar


ryzen also seems to be performing better when paired with vega than the 1080ti so perhaps the amd drivers are somehow better optimized for multi threading now


That is interesting..... As you said, looks more to be architecture dependent more than just 'raw cores'.


Also, on topic, well above $2k systems :P lol

#1196971 New Rig help please Budget $2000

Posted by Master_Scythe on 17 October 2017 - 09:47 AM

very true the i5 8400 can be ~30% quicker than the 1600 in cpu bound games that use 6 threads or less


Which, for the foreseeable future, is all of them.

Plenty of games come out "Multi core aware" but I don't think I've seen any that actually EVENLY stress cores yet.

Have you? (genuine question).


I normally see cores 1 & 2 loaded to max, and occasional 3 & 4 being thrown workload spikes.

Any other cores might get a 'blip' of activity, but I'm yet to see it heavily tax anything past 4 cores (well, threads).

#1196968 New Rig help please Budget $2000

Posted by Master_Scythe on 17 October 2017 - 08:37 AM

For gaming, despite being a huge Ryzen fan, I don't think I'd go AMD.


You've already said you won't be using the two main features of Ryzen!


1. You won't be overclocking.

2. You're not doing anything that benefits from Ryzens fabric\"real" multiple cores.


Games prefer Intels approach to cache management.


Ryzen is only the smarter choice when you can overclock a $150 CPU to beat a $300 CPU (which is kinda the whole selling point, IMO).

Or if you were doing Video Encoding to make use of the extra cores and cache.

#1196867 Pondering morph a HP Z620 workstation into a work / gaming rig

Posted by Master_Scythe on 13 October 2017 - 10:29 AM

#1196859 "As official as it gets" Atomic Meet - 17 years young! Date-3 Feb 18

Posted by Master_Scythe on 13 October 2017 - 08:40 AM

Waaaaaait a second, Pocket (husband) said he's interested, so it's not completely unlikely :-p 

I'm not surprised.


I met him at least once.


Drives a Lotus and doesn't afraid of anything.

Also has a pretty rad first name >.>

#1196525 Hugh Hefner gone, Thanks for all the......fun......

Posted by Master_Scythe on 29 September 2017 - 11:01 AM


Malcy is apparently responsible for your mammary viewing ...


Jesus, is there anything that fuckpuppet won't claim credit for?


The sub par rollout of the NBN?

#1196512 installed windows 7 on mums pc no internet

Posted by Master_Scythe on 29 September 2017 - 08:59 AM

I know whats wrong, and I also know it's bloody hard to fix it.


Basically in the last few years, there has been a wave of HP and DELL PC's that use common chipset BRANDS, with a very obscure MODEL.

They're literally similar enough that Windows will (automatically) install the driver, but then nothing will work as it should.


Common symptoms are USB not working, and more commonly, Ethernet showing as "Connected" but no data can go through (well, packets send, and receive, but they must be 'wrong' somehow, because no network access).


ASROCK is currently doing the same on AM4 and it's ticking me off.....


Windows 7 CD keys can activate Windows 10 now, so I'd STRONGLY advise a clean install. There's always the chance that Windows10 will "reference" the installed drivers when upgrading and you'll end up in no better position.


While this is unfortunate, because you're copping the blame, feel free to quote me when I say THIS and exactly THIS is why you DON'T buy pre-packaged PC's.

They're hard to support, and hard to troubleshoot.



All this is why, to this day, a PCI and PCI-E network card is a staple in my "IT fix it" bag.

Good Ol "Intel 10/100", always giving.

#1196224 Ryzen: Built Another one!

Posted by Master_Scythe on 19 September 2017 - 01:35 PM


And I'll be telling him to get $100 spare, and we'll throw a FireCuda SSHD in there ASAP.


Fun times ahead!

I would have thought an SSHD would be a waste for a data drive. Does the SSD component still get used when the OS is not installed to the SSHD?




Best thing about Seagate drives (never thought I'd type THAT!) is that it's Firmware level, block duplication, with (afaik) read-ahead.


Lets say he has an album he plays EVERY DAY when he gets home from work, but is a serial offender of the "Skip the last minute, I know how this song ends".

Well the SSHD will only cache the blocks he plays most often, it doesn't care about WHOLE files.

Isn't that neat?!


For the tiny cost difference (at least, on the 1TB drive), there's no reason to avoid them.