A plea for "fanbois" of all types |
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 Jul 29 2009, 10:39 PM
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Hero Immortal   |
99% of people here have a preferred OS*
15% of people have a preferred OS that they will defend the honour of, to the death. To the point where they will link to millions of websites and studies to prove how "teh awesome" their OS is, compared to the competition. Microsoft cops the brunt of "[insert OS here] is shit" type arguments because they're the most visible targets. Apple follows Microsoft. Then Linux. I have news for y'all: . That's right, it's a full stop. It represents that point where you all shut up and think a little clearly. Protip: there is no such thing as a perfect OS I've learned this over several years in many environments. My conclusion is that KISS applies everywhere - use what is simplest for you. I once worked on a contract in a graphics design company - everything was Apple. Guess what... it all worked. Sure the laptops may be fashionable white dinky things but they worked great. They did the job that Windows or Linux machines couldn't. But maybe they could now - the company made its choice. Likewise I've worked with firms of Lawyers - they're almost exclusively Windows-based because they need the security of group policy, complicated custom programs written for Windows and 100% MS Office compatibility. I once worked at a software developer that developed java webapps - they used Solaris desktops - no joke. And I've worked with Novell who used SLED desktops. The fundamental point is this - when somebody asks you for advice, don't give them what suits you - give them what suits them. If someone asks for an HTPC and isn't interested in anything more than plug'n'play, tell 'em to buy a copy of Windows Media Centre XP/Vista or download MediaPortal. If they want to tinker point them to Linux. If they already have a MacMini, tell 'em reformatting to Yellow Dog is a pain in the arse and tell 'em to find a suitable Apple HTPC solution. Likewise with servers. Environments can work with integrated solutions. Right now I'm standing in front of a rack with a quasi-Linux-basede virtualization solution running AD, MS Exchange, Kerio, Dansguardian/Squid proxy authenticating via NTLM, apache webservers and BIND DNS servers. The fundamental point I'm making is that even if you have an OS of choice it's time to admit, once in a while that it has flaws and that other operating systems can be better at certain things than others. And the other point is that complexity is generally bad if simplicity offers a similar feature set. Chill. * 87.4% of facts are made up This post has been edited by Leonid: Jul 29 2009, 11:07 PM -------------------- "...you're tired -- we're all tired -- of appeals based on fear."
- Al Gore, Democratic National Convention - Denver 2008 "If liberty means anything, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - George Orwell |
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Jul 29 2009, 10:58 PM
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Atomican Overlord  |
Indeed.
Also, as far as HTPC goes. XBMC is very nice, and I hear nice things about Boxee. Oh. And Apple suck. -------------------- Oh dude, Satire.
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Jul 29 2009, 11:03 PM
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Banned Champion  |
QUOTE (Leonid @ Jul 29 2009, 01:39 PM)  Likewise I've worked with firms of Lawyers - they're almost exclusively Linux because they need the security of group policy, complicated custom programs written for Windows and 100% MS Office compatibility. You probably mean exclusively Windows here. You make a good point, but it's just common sense. What inspired it? I have not actually seen too much OS fanboyism on here, apart from 1 or 2 Apple users, and people bashing Windows. Oh, and of course particular Linux zealot we all know and love. People are going to suggest what they have had good experiences with, and think may suit other people. Which is just natural. Sometimes they will suggest their preferred choice wheh it is inappropriate due to not knowing any better, but this can be overlook. It's only the people who want to force their OS on everyone who are the problem, i.e. fanbois, and thankfully they are a minority on this forum. -------------------- The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him. - Tolstoy
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Jul 29 2009, 11:12 PM
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Hero Guru  |
No Leonid, fuck you, you're wrong, GNU/Linux is perfect for every situation ever.
-------------------- a wise mind, on the linguistic styles of today's youth: yeh, we sort of sat here and bastardised the language of internet communications for twenty odd years, and they flew here.
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Jul 29 2009, 11:19 PM
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Hero Immortal |
QUOTE (brains @ Jul 29 2009, 11:12 PM) No Leonid, fuck you, you're wrong, GNU/Linux is perfect for every situation ever. Will you bring the lube? I'll bring the ubuntu disks. We'll have a party... -------------------- "...you're tired -- we're all tired -- of appeals based on fear."
- Al Gore, Democratic National Convention - Denver 2008 "If liberty means anything, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - George Orwell |
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Jul 29 2009, 11:20 PM
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Hero Guru |
Only if you remember to release all of your modifications to the source in accordance with the GPL, the one true licensing agreement. From the one true god of computing.
-------------------- a wise mind, on the linguistic styles of today's youth: yeh, we sort of sat here and bastardised the language of internet communications for twenty odd years, and they flew here.
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Jul 29 2009, 11:42 PM
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Atomican Journeyman  |
"there is no such thing as a perfect OS"
Agreed. Use what works for you, and see what the needs are of the people after your recommendations. Suggesting something that won't suit thm, and they'll hate, will just turn them off, and your future suggestions will be ignored. That, and they'll think you're an idiot. -------------------- "The only way to live a good life is to act on your emotions."
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Jul 30 2009, 11:03 AM
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Atomican Champion  |
Agreed, there's no perfect anything in this world. Nothing is perfect. If it's perfect now, it's not perfect for another period of time.
-------------------- Blacklisted by the Department for Spams and Scams
Old lappy: ASUS A8Jp - Windows XP SP3 x86, Intel T5600@1.8Ghz, 2GB RAM, 1 x 100GB SATA, ATI X1700 (aka X1600) New lappy: Windows 7 Home Premium x64, Intel i5-430 @ 2.26Ghz, 4GB RAM, 1 x 500GB SATA, nVidia Geforce 310 1GB Work PC: Windows 7 x86, Intel Q9550@2.83Ghz, 4GB RAM, 2 x 250GB SATA, nVidia Quadro FX1700 (aka 9500GT), 600W PSU |
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Jul 30 2009, 11:42 AM
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Mod SuperHero  |
Leonid.
You are wrong. You've overlooked the fact that there is a hierarchy to all operating systems based on goodness. Windows 7 is the goodest. XP is nearly as good. DOS comes in third. All linuxes go in here, with their own special hierarchy. All nuxes go in here. And finally Apple's OS, whatever it's called goes last. Oh, then Vista. OBVIOUSLY. :P Fucking nice post though, mate. -------------------- Romans 10:3
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Jul 30 2009, 11:50 AM
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Atomican Guru  |
QUOTE (Leonid @ Jul 29 2009, 10:39 PM) 99% of people here have a preferred console* 15% of people have a preferred console that they will defend the honour of, to the death. To the point where they will link to millions of websites and studies to prove how "teh awesome" their console is, compared to the competition. Microsoft cops the brunt of "[insert console here] is shit" type arguments because they're the most visible targets. Sony follows Microsoft. Then Nintendo. I have news for y'all: . That's right, it's a full stop. It represents that point where you all shut up and think a little clearly. Protip: there is no such thing as a perfect console ... It's the same with anything really. But (fan)boys will be (fan)boys. It's not about which is better, it's about who can wave their dick harder. -------------------- The Canon Family
1000D + 500N | EF 50/1.8 II | EF-S 18-55/3.5-5.6 IS | EF 28-80/3.5-5.6 IV USM | EF 70-200/4L USM | Speedlite 430EX II AE-1P | FD 28/2.8 | FDn 50/1.8 | FDn 35-70/3.5-5.6 | FDn 70-210/4 | Speedlite 188A QL17 GIII Rangefinder | 40/1.7 YES WE CANberra! |
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Jul 30 2009, 12:38 PM
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Hero Guru  |
But what about the fanbois who don't understand what an OS is?
Does this still apply to them? :/ -------------------- Lord of nothing except my own dreams, so it's Bug to you.
The difference between myself and most others, is that my dreams do come true. |
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Jul 30 2009, 01:14 PM
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Banned Guru  |
Atomic 3.0 has very few fan bois as far as I can see. This post seems to be nice but aimed at a brick wall.
-------------------- Don't worry about a thing. 'Cause every little thing is gonna be alright.
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Jul 30 2009, 01:24 PM
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Banned Champion |
Exactly....
-------------------- The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him. - Tolstoy
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Jul 30 2009, 05:03 PM
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Atomican Master  |
QUOTE (Leonid @ Jul 29 2009, 11:19 PM) QUOTE (brains @ Jul 29 2009, 11:12 PM) No Leonid, fuck you, you're wrong, GNU/Linux is perfect for every situation ever. Will you bring the lube? I'll bring the ubuntu disks. We'll have a party... Or you could outsource it to the pros: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/843763...was-just-a-joke |
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Jul 30 2009, 05:11 PM
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Atomican Master |
I agree with the "no perfect" statement. However, I am polygomous as far as the OS is concerned. I have used many in my life. Unix, Mac OS, OS/2 and of course Windows. Back in the Windows 95 days, I had Windows, OS/2 and Linux running on multiboot. However, these days, I am mostly a windows user. This isnt because I am a fanboi as such but I just find it easier in the end to do what I want to do and nothing more. Its a matter of time for me and I dont have the time to fiddle with something to get it to work anymore. I did install ubuntu a couple of years ago but I didnt really end up using it for anything apart from surfing the net and hence removed it from my system altogether. I guess most people would fit into my category.
-------------------- strifus: sorry.tantryl...my bad. i just didnt read the post properly. ill do better next time :(
nesquick: heh you must slap yourself now 10times on either side of your face then you will gain re acceptance :P |
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Jul 30 2009, 09:34 PM
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Super Hero Contributor  |
QUOTE (LordBug @ Jul 30 2009, 12:38 PM) But what about the fanbois who don't understand what an OS is? Does this still apply to them? :/ I believe you've hit a nail on the head there. It's those that don't understand enough about the very inner workings of computing and architecture that ultimately fixate, zealotize and become fanbois of a specific niche or genre, if only because their narrow minded view of reality is all they can understand/they don't need to understand anything else. Ergo - if you can educate a fanboi, you might just turn them from a fanboi into something or someone useful. z -------------------- So good to see you once again.
I thought that you were hiding. And you thought that I had run away. Chasing the tail of dogma. |
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Jul 30 2009, 11:17 PM
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Atomican Immortal |
My Vista works better than Windows 7. |
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Jul 31 2009, 12:23 AM
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Banned Champion  |
QUOTE (Leonid @ Jul 29 2009, 10:39 PM) Microsoft cops the brunt of "[insert OS here] is shit" type arguments because they're Fixed.QUOTE (LogicprObe @ Jul 30 2009, 11:17 PM) My Vista Fixed.QUOTE (zebra @ Jul 30 2009, 09:34 PM) Ergo - if you can Fixed.
This post has been edited by just_some_guy: Jul 31 2009, 12:26 AM -------------------- You can have my lettuce when you pry it out of my cold wet salad.
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Jul 31 2009, 12:25 AM
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Mod Hero  |
Oh dear...
-------------------- Vito Cassisi - Freelance Technology Journalist
To teach a fool of the highest order, is to prove yourself worthy of your profession. |
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Jul 31 2009, 12:56 AM
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Atomican Immortal |
QUOTE (.:Cyb3rGlitch:. @ Jul 31 2009, 12:25 AM) Oh dear... Did you spit coffee on your keyboard again!? |
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