Mushkin Enhanced Redline 7-7-7-24 on its way!, Corsair sucks! Options

[gamble]

First set of Corsair XMS3 I ordered 2 years ago was doa. I RMA'ed them back and they sent me 2 sticks of 2gb back. When I was building my system I thought I would add another 4gb and thought I would just add another set of Corsair XMS3 for 4 x 2gb. Now my system had a few blue screens, but I thought maybe the video or something with my OC on cpu. Turns out my ram is bad again! Never remember having this much trouble with ram, I couldnt OC them or move timings at all. Maybe bad luck, not sure...

I ordered these Redline sticks 2 x 4gb. Timings are great for 1600 and cant wait to get them in this system. I want to add another set, but wanted tight timings over capacity for now. Im sure Ill end up ordering more later. Im curious to see if it will help a few benchmarks some!

[osama_bin_athlon]

both companies are overrated and overpriced imho.
I used to buy Corsair, but now I buy cheap - G.Skill for instance, have a lifetime warranty as well, and are a lot cheaper - never had a problem with them over 5 years of constant 24/7 use
having the words Corsair, or Mushkin emblazoned on them doesn't make them any better - I've had mixed results overclocking all RAM, they are no better or worse than any other reasonable brand
I actually got the RipjawX because of the red heatsinks, blue was definitely out, and there was already heaps of black happening, so I wanted red (also matches the red led's in the case, and on the souncard) - which brand it was didn't matter.
I'm very pleased with the Corsair H100 cooler - very good temps, impressive in fact. personally, I see these self-contained H2O coolers are the way of the future. I know that I won't be getting any more tower coolers, nor am I likely to bother building a custom loop (again) - not when I can get virtually the same performance straight out of the box!

[Dasa]

any brand can get dud sticks the fact that they replaced them for you makes them one of the good ones imo

how much is 1600 777 setting you back by comparison to 999?

[p0is0n]

only RAM i would fork out extra for is stuff confirmed to use elpida hypers like in some Dom GTs :)
edit: but even then, you need a cpu with an IMC that's up to scratch too.

I'm using cheap crap as it gives the exact same results with this CPU.

This post has been edited by p0is0n: Jun 27 2012, 02:37 PM

[tunksy]

yep same here my cheap crap is doing pretty darn well too. overclocking isnt ram limited anymore.

[gamble]

It was about 28% more for 777 vs 999 for 1600. This will be the 2nd time Ill have to return this ram while in the past I never had too. Ive used Geil, OCZ, Kingston, and Im sure others but this is the only ram that has flaked out on me. You guy are probably right that it can happen to any sticks but at least they replaced at the store since doa, but now Ill have to try rma from manufacturer.

I wanted tight timings so I could possibly OC to get 1866 or even 2133 at good timing but I wonder if I should have just have ordered some 2133 stuff at higher timings of 9-11-10-28? From what Ive been reading frequency is better than timings for socket 1155. Im sure Ill be able to raise the timings to get the higher bandwidth/frequency if I wanted.

This article seemed decent in explanation with timings vs frequency: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/di...ddr3.html#sect0

Looks like even DDR3-2133 CL10 (10-10-10-30-1T) is faster than DDR3-1600 CL7 (7-7-7-21-1T) by a decent amount....

[p0is0n]

from memory, my el' cheapo patriot RAM runs 11-11-11-30 standard but does 10-9-10-28 at stock CPU speeds.
at 4.6 I can do 2133, but at 4.7 it doesn't even do 1866, but I can get 1600 @ 9-7-8-20-1.

really though, RAM is cheap enough these days its not worth too much thought :)

edit: correction.

This post has been edited by p0is0n: Jun 28 2012, 11:41 AM

[gamble]

from memory, my el' cheapo patriot RAM runs 11-11-11-30 standard but does 10-9-10-28 at stock CPU speeds.
at 4.6 it doesn't even do 1866, but I can get 1600 @ 9-7-8-20-1.

really though, RAM is cheap enough these days its not worth too much thought :)

I thought overclocking the cpu was separate from memory frequencies. Meaning if you have your ram stable at 1600 9-7-8-20 at stock 3.4ghz, and if you just move the multiplier to overclock to 4.6ghz, should be stable at the same timings/frequency for the ram.

But yeah its cheap enough not to worry about the 28% I guess!

This post has been edited by gamble: Jun 28 2012, 05:15 AM

[p0is0n]

from memory, my el' cheapo patriot RAM runs 11-11-11-30 standard but does 10-9-10-28 at stock CPU speeds.
at 4.6 it doesn't even do 1866, but I can get 1600 @ 9-7-8-20-1.

really though, RAM is cheap enough these days its not worth too much thought :)

I thought overclocking the cpu was separate from memory frequencies. Meaning if you have your ram stable at 1600 9-7-8-20 at stock 3.4ghz, and if you just move the multiplier to overclock to 4.6ghz, should be stable at the same timings/frequency for the ram.

But yeah its cheap enough not to worry about the 28% I guess!

Not quite, as the CPU contains the memory controller, so once you start pushing the CPU, say 4.6GHz, which is the highest speed I can run 2133 actually, just remembered, 4.7 or greater won't boot. If I drop the RAM down to 1600, I can boot all the way up to 5.3GHz.

This has been my experience, and quite a few others. I believe the Ivy CPUs contain MUCH better IMC though, most doing 2400+ without issues.

[tunksy]

from memory, my el' cheapo patriot RAM runs 11-11-11-30 standard but does 10-9-10-28 at stock CPU speeds.
at 4.6 it doesn't even do 1866, but I can get 1600 @ 9-7-8-20-1.

really though, RAM is cheap enough these days its not worth too much thought :)

I thought overclocking the cpu was separate from memory frequencies. Meaning if you have your ram stable at 1600 9-7-8-20 at stock 3.4ghz, and if you just move the multiplier to overclock to 4.6ghz, should be stable at the same timings/frequency for the ram.

But yeah its cheap enough not to worry about the 28% I guess!

Not quite, as the CPU contains the memory controller, so once you start pushing the CPU, say 4.6GHz, which is the highest speed I can run 2133 actually, just remembered, 4.7 or greater won't boot. If I drop the RAM down to 1600, I can boot all the way up to 5.3GHz.

This has been my experience, and quite a few others. I believe the Ivy CPUs contain MUCH better IMC though, most doing 2400+ without issues.

here's the thing what set of cheap ram cant do 1600mhz these days? plus as you said if you drop the ram back down its no longer a limiting factor...

This post has been edited by tunksy: Jun 28 2012, 01:40 PM

[nesquick]

you won't even notice a difference between 999 and 777 you would of been better off investing in more capacity.

This post has been edited by nesquick: Jun 28 2012, 10:51 PM

[gamble]

you won't even notice a difference between 999 and 777 you would of been better off investing in more capacity.

I think it would have been better to invest in higher frequency over both capacity and timings! But really ram is pretty cheap so adding another 8gb in a few months wont break the bank...

[.:Cyb3rGlitch:.]

Capacity pretty much always wins over speed and timings, unless you've already got a ridiculous amount of it. Money is better off spent on a CPU with more cache.