I need to vent, Microsoft and their silly descisions Options

[Jeruselem]

While I love the power of CLI, I know one typo can be ... fatal with CLI.

[sponger]

In 5-10 years Windows servers will be GUI-less anyway. People who haven't learnt the CLI will not be employed before people who have.

Jeezuz I bloody hope not. Fuck the CLI, give me a GUI anytime.
CLI might be fantastic for all you super duper server admins but for us basic types managing a server through a command line interface will be a bloody shittastic nightmare.

You'll still have some GUI tools but they'll need to be run from a desktop. Admins who learn PowerShell will begin to do most things with it. They'll increasingly dominate the industry and just won't employ people who need a GUI to do everything, like in the Linux world and Cisco, Juniper, etc. Over time, there just won't be a market for GUI management tools, or at least not for everything.

[Linux_Inside V2]

That's the way MS is going anyway. even with server 2012 the emphasis is on managing your servers using server manager on a client machine.

[michael.jenkin]

That's the way MS is going anyway. even with server 2012 the emphasis is on managing your servers using server manager on a client machine.

Even the Cloud based Office 365 uses powershell for exchange management :)

[aliali]

You'll still have some GUI tools but they'll need to be run from a desktop. Admins who learn PowerShell will begin to do most things with it. They'll increasingly dominate the industry and just won't employ people who need a GUI to do everything, like in the Linux world and Cisco, Juniper, etc. Over time, there just won't be a market for GUI management tools, or at least not for everything.

That along with the dropping of SBS says one thing to me. Small business can get fucked, we are not interested in you any more.

Kinda leaves them out in the cold doesn't it.

[mudg3]

That along with the dropping of SBS says one thing to me. Small business can get fucked, we are not interested in you any more.

Kinda leaves them out in the cold doesn't it.

Not at all its the exact opposite, Easy management from a client. Do you locally log into your machine or do you RDP/ VNC to it?

I think what people are apprehensive about is the fact that their current skill sets may not be enough to keep them employed in the future.

This post has been edited by mudg3: Jul 19 2012, 08:26 AM

[Linux_Inside V2]

The way forward for small businesses will be the cloud where possible, they want you using Office 365 or Microsoft Partnered Cloud Providers.

I agree with mudg3 in that it'll be harder to be a shitty windows admin going forward, if you don't have a real understanding of networking, infrastructure and virtualization your job options will start to diminish.

[Nich...]

What does it mean that SBS2011 is going EOL, by the way? No more new licences can be purchased? The current install base will receive no more support or updates? The current install base will cease to work?

[aliali]

What does it mean that SBS2011 is going EOL, by the way? No more new licences can be purchased? The current install base will receive no more support or updates? The current install base will cease to work?

In this context it would mean you will not be able to buy new licences any longer, no more security updates and no more support direct from MS. Should still keep working though just like previous MS OS's do.

The way forward for small businesses will be the cloud where possible, they want you using Office 365 or Microsoft Partnered Cloud Providers.

So better make sure we get Labour's NBN then because all those options need fast (especially better upload speeds) reliable internet connections.

I agree with mudg3 in that it'll be harder to be a shitty windows admin going forward, if you don't have a real understanding of networking, infrastructure and virtualization your job options will start to diminish.

So all of us who do volunteer or small business support work on this sort of stuff, and all those small businesses who maintain their own servers will have to either do a lot of training or pay a shitload of money for a "proper" server admin to look after it?
Thanks a fucking lot.

[mudg3]

So all of us who do volunteer or small business support work on this sort of stuff, and all those small businesses who maintain their own servers will have to either do a lot of training or pay a shitload of money for a "proper" server admin to look after it?
Thanks a fucking lot.

Hey mate I do volunteer admin work for a few places on the side, and most places will happily give away license for non for profit organisations. Google apps does this too even though you need decent internet to do it. If this is not an option im not sure why people cant get away with a decent NAS and webmail or some kind of open source hosted mail service.


Just need to look at your options.

[michael.jenkin]

Just as a quick update and Clarification.

SBS 2011 is still a purchasable product and cal's through Retail and OEM are still available. Make the most of it whilst you can.
SBS 2011 is availble with Software Assurance for just over 1 more month, then it will be taken off the price lists.

SBS 2011 is still officially availble as an OEM product and Cal's until 31 Dec 2013. This does not mean that there will be stock in the channel. Microsoft will dry this up. They are also campaigning against SBS 2011 "Why would you sell your client an End of life product?".

Support via Hotfixes, service packs etc will still occur for a while yet. Support will end with the end of support of the family of products, most notibly Exchange 2010 which is likely until 2016-2018.

Not for profits and charities could get SBS through Donortech dirtcheap. That ends this Friday. No more SBS via donortech and other avenues.
The channel is already drying up.

Thanks

[Nich...]

What are the odds and legalities of a company, potentially such as your own, MJ, buying up a heap of remaining stock in the channel, and then selling it on (with whatever margin you deem reasonable to cover outlays and risk and etc) to customers, knowing it will still receive update support and whatever else for years to come?

[michael.jenkin]

What are the odds and legalities of a company, potentially such as your own, MJ, buying up a heap of remaining stock in the channel, and then selling it on (with whatever margin you deem reasonable to cover outlays and risk and etc) to customers, knowing it will still receive update support and whatever else for years to come?

I think the legalities are fine. I will be checking though. It is OEM product that I wold buy, it will only go in new server hardware and Microsoft will still allow it to activate. I will not be planning to charge more (profiteering) however Microsoft do not force you stick to RRP. It is the same as people who feared Office 2007 and kept buying Office 2003, 2 years after it was no longer sold by Microsoft. Whilst the channel has stock, whilst we have stock, we can sell it.

Anyone who knows me, knows I am in this for the client. I know it is flimsy defence if something legal did occur however, I plan to do what is right for the client.

The cost of SBS v's the cost of the hardware and labour to install it, is very small. I don't think it would hurt me personally to buy up a little on SBS.

I did the same with the Microsoft XP get legal pack. This was a cheaper version of XP pro intended to be sold to people with confirmed pirated software. I stockpiled at the end, and sold all but one copy.

[drago13666]

Also something I haven't heard mention off, and hopefully I'm wrong but when operating through office 365 all shared mailboxes have to be cached locally yes?
I don't remember that being the case in the exchange environment. And I have noticd that my cache file is over a terabyte.

Also with the glitch in outlook not refreshing after new folders are created having to wipe the cache is a royal pain.

[michael.jenkin]

Also something I haven't heard mention off, and hopefully I'm wrong but when operating through office 365 all shared mailboxes have to be cached locally yes?
I don't remember that being the case in the exchange environment. And I have noticd that my cache file is over a terabyte.

Also with the glitch in outlook not refreshing after new folders are created having to wipe the cache is a royal pain.

Hello,

I am using Office 365 without caching and it sux. It stalls, drops out and is generally painful.
It works much better in cached mode but an issue in my mailbox meant I was not seeing every email so I went live, no cache.

[robzy]

While I love the power of CLI, I know one typo can be ... fatal with CLI.

While I love the power of a GUI, I know one miss-click can be ... fatal with GUI.

(I'm not nesecarily disagreeing with you. But I think that your reasoning is rather flawed)

Rob.

[michael.jenkin]

I am most humble to see that this post got POTM. Really it is about getting the information out there and starting great debate. Some fantastic ideas have come from this thread and I have been most impressed by some of the comments and solutions.
In all this has been a great online discussion and will help a great many people plan their futures.

[aliali]

Someone is sooooooooooo not happy.



Yes another Downfall parody