AMD conFusion? Forget the hype!, Bulldozer, Bobcat, Fusion... explained at last. Options

[nobody813]

So Llano increases market share for AMD, but Bulldozer gives them a nose dive

Hmmm....

[SceptreCore]

So Llano increases market share for AMD, but Bulldozer gives them a nose dive

Hmmm....

It lost 3.1 points, and gained 2.7. But they gained market share in the most important segment right now... so it even's out to pretty much nothing.

Haven't been here in ages. Look at all this dust on my avatar.

[.:Cyb3rGlitch:.]

AMD are going to be screwed if they don't start making smartphone and tablet chips. That's the new profitable platform, not desktops or laptops.

[SceptreCore]

AMD are going to be screwed if they don't start making smartphone and tablet chips. That's the new profitable platform, not desktops or laptops.

That is true. They're there with Bobcat IMO. But to be truly competitive they need an ARM like RISC.

Which brings us to the front page article.

[A Hitman]

AMD are going to be screwed if they don't start making smartphone and tablet chips. That's the new profitable platform, not desktops or laptops.

So going from a market with only one competitor to a market with 3 or 4 competitors will make them more money?
I don't see the logic.

[.:Cyb3rGlitch:.]

AMD are going to be screwed if they don't start making smartphone and tablet chips. That's the new profitable platform, not desktops or laptops.

So going from a market with only one competitor to a market with 3 or 4 competitors will make them more money?
I don't see the logic.

Sure, why not? No single SoC manufacturer has a monopoly like Intel does with desktops. Let's face it, AMD are finished on the desktop. They won't catch up now, they've blown it. Intel are capable of investing serious cash into manufacturing processes and chip optimisation that AMD simply cannot afford any more.

AMD have the advantage of a highly skilled GPU team, which if utilised correctly, should give them a large advantage in creating graphics intensive SoCs - something that all other manufacturers outsource except Nvidia.

[SceptreCore]

AMD are going to be screwed if they don't start making smartphone and tablet chips. That's the new profitable platform, not desktops or laptops.

So going from a market with only one competitor to a market with 3 or 4 competitors will make them more money?
I don't see the logic.

Sure, why not? No single SoC manufacturer has a monopoly like Intel does with desktops. Let's face it, AMD are finished on the desktop. They won't catch up now, they've blown it. Intel are capable of investing serious cash into manufacturing processes and chip optimisation that AMD simply cannot afford any more.

AMD have the advantage of a highly skilled GPU team, which if utilised correctly, should give them a large advantage in creating graphics intensive SoCs - something that all other manufacturers outsource except Nvidia.

Desktops are all about coporate business these days. Consumers seem to just want laptop, tablets, and mobiles.

[A Hitman]

AMD are going to be screwed if they don't start making smartphone and tablet chips. That's the new profitable platform, not desktops or laptops.

So going from a market with only one competitor to a market with 3 or 4 competitors will make them more money?
I don't see the logic.

Sure, why not? No single SoC manufacturer has a monopoly like Intel does with desktops. Let's face it, AMD are finished on the desktop. They won't catch up now, they've blown it. Intel are capable of investing serious cash into manufacturing processes and chip optimisation that AMD simply cannot afford any more.

AMD have the advantage of a highly skilled GPU team, which if utilised correctly, should give them a large advantage in creating graphics intensive SoCs - something that all other manufacturers outsource except Nvidia.

I don't really see how they are finished on the desktop/laptop side, Intel will never catch up in graphics which is where there is more importance these days.
Also what is to stop Intel from investing billions in the Soc Market, in fact they already are..


From what I understand there is no longer much profit to be had in the mobile SoC market, I don't think it will be long until a couple leave it all together.

[.:Cyb3rGlitch:.]

I don't really see how they are finished on the desktop/laptop side, Intel will never catch up in graphics which is where there is more importance these days.
Also what is to stop Intel from investing billions in the Soc Market, in fact they already are..


From what I understand there is no longer much profit to be had in the mobile SoC market, I don't think it will be long until a couple leave it all together.

How can you claim that Intel can't improve on graphics, yet they can somehow take over the SoC market after throwing in a wad of cash? Intel's only smartphone suitable SoC is out of date before the first device has been released. And even then, that device is exclusive to India, and it uses a PowerVR 540 GPU which was popular two years ago.

[A Hitman]

I didn't claim they could "take over SoC market".
How much money have the thrown at graphics in the last decade?
What happened to their last "graphics card"?

If Intel cannot succeed in the mobile phone SoC market, how will AMD do any better?

[.:Cyb3rGlitch:.]

They cannot succeed because they're heavily invested in x86. AMD have experience with RISC designs, and MIPS is up for purchase. If Nvidia can pull Tegra out of their hat, i don't see why AMD couldn't do something similar.

[SceptreCore]

They cannot succeed because they're heavily invested in x86. AMD have experience with RISC designs, and MIPS is up for purchase. If Nvidia can pull Tegra out of their hat, i don't see why AMD couldn't do something similar.

Like I posted in your MIPS article. AMD used to make their own RISC's. They pioneered the modern CPU. Continually challenging Intel to copy them but with more funds resulting in a better implementation.

Recently they have proved their ability to beat Intel in the power/performance/per watt with both Llano, and Bobcat... and they are continuing to stay ahead. Thanks to the paradigm shift in CPU requirements. Maybe in years to come when Intels not watching their desktop division, AMD will land another right hook like they did ages ago.