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Samsung series 6 TV (DLNA question)
radioBirdman
post Jun 24 2009, 01:38 PM
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Hi folks,

Wife wants a new TV in the bedroom so we're going to grab a 32" Samsung series 6 LA32B650. This is the newer revision of the Series 6 and it now has DLNA streaming... internet on the TV and a few other new features that weren't originally in the 6. We have an 40" X series Bravia in the lounge but I think in the 'mid-range' bang for buck TV's the Samsungs beat the Sony's and I can pick this up for $1500.

Now... something I can not find anywhere is which wifi protocol the TV uses...

I currently have a Netgear 'super G' DG834GT 108MBPS modem router combo and I would like to know if it will be good enough for streaming HD movies to the TV or not. It was coping ok with streaming to the PS3 with low res DivX stuff but it'd lag with HD files so the PS3 is now plugged in via cat5 being only a few meters from the router..

We have the kid's desktop computer with a netgear 108 G usb adapter and the wife's laptop with a netgear 54 G PCMCIA card while my desktop plugs straight in to the router.

Whaddya reckon? Do I go up to N? Will the TV make use of N or would 108 G be enough?

I have sent an email to Samsun to ask their advice but that'll likely take a week and you guys might tell me today.

Thanks :)

BTW if the thread should be in Displays feel free to move it... I figured my query is more network related though...


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segger
post Jun 24 2009, 02:27 PM
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Just had a quick look at the TV manual; looks like it has a [Fast|Gig]Ethernet port and to support wireless it needs an external adaptor:

You must use the ‘Samsung Wireless LAN Adapter’(WIS09ABGN) to use a wireless network.
Samsung’s Wireless LAN adapter is sold separately. The WIS09ABGN Wireless LAN adapter is offered by select retailers,
Ecommerce sites and Samsungparts.com.
To use a wireless network, your TV must be connected to a wireless IP sharer. If the wireless IP sharer supports DHCP,
your TV can use a DHCP or static IP address to connect to the wireless network.
Samsung’s Wireless LAN adapter supports IEEE 802.11A, IEEE 802.11B, IEEE 802.11G, IEEE 802.11N. When you play
DLNA video over IEEE 802.11B/G connection, the video may not be played smoothly.


It also mentions using a third party wireless bridge device plugged into the Ethernet port.

Are you able to run a network cable to the TV? Wireless performance aside that will no doubt yield the least issues.

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radioBirdman
post Jun 24 2009, 02:51 PM
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Thanks Segger. I should've mentioned I had a look at the manual too and I have a feeling, from discussion with JB HiFi, that the manual might be referring to the older Series 6 that didn't have wifi.

I could be wrong though.

And no... it can't plug in to the router unfotunately.. too far away...


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radioBirdman
post Jun 25 2009, 09:03 AM
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Hmmm... I've been looking at the other manuals and they all refer to using a wifi dongle... Even on the LED TVs... I think they've copy pasted the same crap in there for the last few Series of TV cause I am certain the new Series 6 and upwards have Wifi ready to go with no need for a dongle...

I wish it was in the specs though.. The dudes in Dick Smith, JB etc etc all think I'm weird for asking which protocol the TV uses... It's a perfectly valid question! And they might just be able to sell me a 2 or 3 hundred dollar router if they know what they're talking about!


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thesorehead
post Jun 25 2009, 09:31 AM
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Where did you read that the new 6 series has WiFi? Go back to that source and work from there to an official document maybe?

Or maybe it's just a rumour after all?


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radioBirdman
post Jun 25 2009, 01:19 PM
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Well it's on the website... but the actual spec isn't...


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galdarian
post Jun 25 2009, 01:48 PM
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Have you tried contacting Samsung customer service?

Give them a call, 'cause if they can't answer your question they prolly don't deserve the sale ;-)
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radioBirdman
post Jun 25 2009, 05:57 PM
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thanks galdarin.. i'm so stupid i thought to ring them yesterday but forgot...

I am also really stupid to assume that by them writing "wireless DLNA all over the product" means that their product has wifi ready to go....

From my conversation with the people there today, Segger is right... it needs an adapter... I think this really stinks! Cheap laptops have wifi receivers built into them these days... Hell even my mobile phone has one! Sure I doubt my mobile can stream HD movies across the wifi but shit it has a wifi adapter! But this TV, with "wireless DLNA" written all over it does not (apparently - I am still not 100%).

The dude on the phone from 'Sales' said oh yeah if they say wireless DLNA they have wireless networking... I asked which protocol does it use because I probably need to upgrade my router to N (the kid's PC struggles for a connection even with Netgear 108 'super-g' and it's just up a short hallway)... and he said "oh that sound more like something for Tech SUpport" so i said ok so put me through to them but please while I've got you just confirm for me that this doeswifi out of the box - he said yeo it sure does so I said - are you sure it doesn't need a bridge or a dongle or adaptor or something - to which he said 'oh yeah of course you need one of those!///

Riiiight so it does NOT have wifi out of the box...unless I buy an extra box??? Like the one that has a wifi adapter in it???

Cranky cranky... I am getting this TV next week and I really want to know what i need to stream my stuff. Maybe i should get a LAN over powerline kit for it? Are they better value that updgrading the wifi?

I can get a Belkin ADLS 2+ N router-modem-USB storage device for about 220 and then I'd still need to buy the Samsung wifi dongle.... Or do you think I can use like a Netgear or Belkin or Linkseys wifi adapter on the TV?

I wish there was someone here who was already running a Sammy with DLNA.... I imagine most of the Atomicans doing any streaming at the momemnt would be using XBox or PS3....

Oh well... any advice is greatly appreciated! Sorry if i doubted you Segger!


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kano
post Jun 25 2009, 10:00 PM
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Birdman I purchased this LCD last Monday.
Was led to believe from the Advertising both on the front of LCD in shop and the Samsung Website that there was no additional Dogel or equipment required.
However after 2 weeks of searching via emails to samsung at least 12 phonecalls to samsung and a visit to each major electrical retailer I still have NO IDEA. They are all hopeless especially SAMSUNG SUPPORT!!!
Here is a copy of my email to them...

((((My issue is that the LCD i purchased has advertised on the that Wireless DLNA is a feature. This does not describe anywhere on the front that additional equipment and or devices are required. From further information on your website where it states " DLNA Wireless - Enjoy multimedia that is stored on your PC, direct on your TV without the need for any cable connection. Now you can stream movies, music & pictures stored on your PC wirelessly." http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/detail/...=LA40B650T1FXXY Based on this information and from futher research and information from the sales person I purchased this LCD under the impression that i didnt require any further equipment to conect to my PC and stream Videos direct. I believe the Advertising on the Front of the LCD, the box and the website is misleading.
However after 8 phone calls to your customer support, tech support plus contact with the retailer. I am still confused.

I would like this matter dealt with promptly as i have now spent over 4 hours dealing with this complaint.

I have recomended this LCD to 2 of my family members who have also purchased and are now also upset this seems not to be a feature and wish to return the Units.

Firstly I would like someone to give me the correct information.
Secondly I would like some form of compensation for this misleading information and my time spent researching this issue.
If this cant be worked out please send me a Refund Authorisation for the retailer. So i can obtain a refund.)))))


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kano
post Jun 25 2009, 10:00 PM
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So Basically. I am still a little pissed of..
It is a great TV but i was realy hoping for this feature out of the box! As i cant access my roof space for cable..


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kano
post Jun 25 2009, 10:00 PM
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radioBirdman
post Jun 26 2009, 08:06 AM
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Right thanks Kano that really does confirm it then.... Their advertising is misleading, their telephone staff are hopeless and I am goning to need to spend some more money.

I am pretty sure my 108 G network isn't going to cope with streaming HD .mkv files to our bedroom... It's not very far... but like I said the kid's computer struggles and it's closer to the router than this TV will be..

Has anyone had experience with the Belkin I linked up there ^^? I have only used Netgear stuff mostly but my kid brother and his JB mates all reckon these Belkins are great...


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nesquick
post Jun 26 2009, 08:33 AM
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I am always skeptical with things like this since big manufacturers are always looking for ways to screw the customer over.


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thesorehead
post Jun 26 2009, 08:58 AM
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First, there's no way 108G will be any good for streaming HD video anyway. With a *max* speed of ~10MBps, it'll be good for SD video assuming you have a strong signal. But I think you'll find that most At0micans who are using PS3/360 for streaming have run cable.



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radioBirdman
post Jun 26 2009, 10:17 AM
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Thanks thesorehead... My PS3 is cabled to my router so yeah I guess that is running at up to 100 mega bytes per second compared to my wifi which is up to 108 mega bits per second is that correct?

And yeah Nesquick i tend to be skeptical myself but I am a sucker for believing the *underdog* company would undercut the big guns (Sony) by including something like wifi....

As it turns out they include the *soft*ware for it but leave off the *hard*ware :/

And kano - while I sympathise with your frustration.... I thank you for your posting a clear answer for me... I am very grateful of that... but a refund?? are you really going to get a refund on it because it doesn't include the dongle?


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thesorehead
post Jun 26 2009, 12:10 PM
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radioBirdman - assuming you are connecting your PS3 to a gigabit port on your router using Cat6 cable, then yes you are running at 100MBps rather than the theoretical max of 108Mbps of your wireless.

Why not stream HD video through the PS3? It's bound to have a better interface for it than the TV anyway...


Also, I'd feel very justified in returning something for a full refund (within the 30 day cooling-off period) if it turned out that I was misled into choosing that product over another by a representation that it has features which it clearly does not have. That's a basic Fair Trading thing.


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radioBirdman
post Jun 26 2009, 01:43 PM
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Oh I am only running 100Mbps on my PS3... it's all my Netgear DG834GT is capable of... but that seems to be fast enough to stream movies...

That is only low res Div X movies though mostly... I use TVersity which can't play my MKV files anyway so I have been playing them straight from the computer, out put to the Bravia and the amp...

To stream the HD movies we get I guess I need to see if the tv can play .mkv or not... Or I'll need to convert them I guess?

Oh and regards returning the Samsung - I wasn't questioning the justification of returning the TV / Fair Trading etc. I was just surprised that someone would pack up a TV and return it over the %100 dongle, rather than just buying the dongle. Especially when the other methods of streaming video to a TV wirelessly are all quite expensive.

I've just picked up the Belkin modem router (which again does not have gigabit networking, but I don't think I need that anyway) and I'm gonna grab the TV and dongle next week in the new fiscal year (just in case Samsung offer some kind of deal from July 1st).

Hope it all works out.

Oh can anyone suggest how to play my .mkv files on my PS3? I stream with TVersity.


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aliali
post Jun 26 2009, 06:29 PM
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Sounds like all the bullshit surrounding digital ready and HD ready TVs, when what they really meant is digital ready = if you buy a digital STB and HD ready = it can play HD content at SD quality.


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Sparky
post Jun 26 2009, 09:21 PM
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just bought the exact tv you speak of, so I might be able to give you some info on it. but I have not even plugged it in yet.


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segger
post Jun 26 2009, 11:44 PM
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Given a bit of Googling it looks as though HD mkv files can get up to 10-15Mbps. 'Super G' should be able to handle this if there's nothing else using the network capacity and you have a good link to the access point (though it sounds as though this might be the case). Hell, standard 802.11G may even be able to handle it.

A direct cable is your best bet; 802.11n is your next best bet but at the end of the day, there's no guarantee with wireless - if you're suffering interference from other equipment in the 2.4GHz band or you have a difficult installation then you're up shit creek.

Steer clear of Belkin and D-Link products.

I don't know what to recommend for the TV side of things - the Samsung adaptor could be crap. Your alternative is to look for an 802.11n Ethernet bridging client (sometimes called 'gaming adaptors') which will connect to the wireless network and bridge to the Ethernet port.


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