Water Cooling advice please!, as above! Options

[elmo198]

Finally I've decided to take on water cooling and all its glory. currently I have Q9550 sitting in an Asus P5E deluxe M/B, and HIS 4870x2, which is what I want to water cool. I dont have any care what it should look like, as it will be a closed case. but what I do want is coolness.

the 4870x2 is kinda giving me the shits with the fan noise everytime I starts to play game. so I am looking into something that will keep that quiet and cool.

I have been looking at this EK-FC 4870 X2 CF Acetal and Swiftech H20-220 Apex Ultima Liquid Cooling Kit. (all items from www.pccasegear.com )

question is, is this enough to keep my gpu and cpu cool. I want my vid at load to be sitting if not at around 50-70°c. I know the vid is extremely hot, so I dont want hot water get piggy back to vid.

the flow chart would look something like

MCRES Micro R2 reservoir (do I need bigger?) --> MCP655-B pump (is this strong enough for vid and cpu?)---> MCR220 radiator & fans with pre-installed Radbox (big enough to cool all the water before passing out to water block?) ---> Apogee GTZ CPU water-block ---> EK-FC 4870 X2 CF Acetal ---> reservoir ---> repeat

what really worry me is that would the water run pass the cpu and vid too fast b4 it can actually collect the heat from the block to the radiator?

While I have you all here too, what is a good, actually great case for all these stuff? I also have a 1xblueray player, 5x sata hdds, snd card and tv tuner card. so I'm guessing all need to fit nicely. I dont particularly want a massive case. but do want something roomy enough to stick you hands inside and fix all the stuff I have without looking like too much stuff inside. (know what I mean?)

I have a silverstone 750w PSU atm, do I need more power? or will it be enough? anyway any help would be nice. please give reasons, links to where I can purchase it. I have a very large credit card. so price isnt so important. but obviously not stupidly expansive to buy thinks I have no need for but just for show.

[tunksy]

hey mate the reservior will be big enough, the pump wil be powerful enough, but you will need to invest into an extra radiator (120x240mm) to adequetly cool both your CPU and the 4870x2.
I believe your PSU will handle all this perfectly fine. but as for a case it really depends on your personal taste have a look on pc case gear (as you listed) they've got a great selection of cases avaiable. (id personally go for the coolermaster haf932 and as i mentioned above (extra radiator) the haf932 can easily fit a triple 120mm fan rad at the top and you could then mount the swiftech radiator outside of the case using the suppled standoff. hope that makes some sence good luck mate. let us know how it goes and post some pics.

[elmo198]

hey mate the reservior will be big enough, the pump wil be powerful enough, but you will need to invest into an extra radiator (120x240mm) to adequetly cool both your CPU and the 4870x2.
I believe your PSU will handle all this perfectly fine. but as for a case it really depends on your personal taste have a look on pc case gear (as you listed) they've got a great selection of cases avaiable. (id personally go for the coolermaster haf932 and as i mentioned above (extra radiator) the haf932 can easily fit a triple 120mm fan rad at the top and you could then mount the swiftech radiator outside of the case using the suppled standoff. hope that makes some sence good luck mate. let us know how it goes and post some pics.

yeah, so instead of a double fan rad, I will need a triple fan rad. thats cool. now as you said I need to find a case that can fit a triple 120mm fan rad, yes?

have any suggestion as to which type of fans? do I need special fans to push/pull enough air through the radiator grill?

[Dasa]

how much noise\performance do you want? high pressure fans are what you want for rads imo the scythe gentle typhoon 1850rpm offer a good balance of air\noise on rads
try get a thicker rad like thermochil or tfc if you are only getting a 3x120 rad
cases? budget? corsair silverstone coolermaster have some nice cases for watercooling
you dont need a res a T pice will do to fill and bleed but a res is fine to

also take a look at morgoths thread a few down from yours

[elmo198]

ok so here is the actual shopping list - what else do I need?



Are all the adapters/tubing there and correct sizing? I dont really understand all those G14, 1/2, 3/8, blah blah, zzZZzzz!

I can alter the tubing and adapters size (atm they are all G14 with 3/8ID), I just want to know what it all means? can I mix and match.. now logically I would assume that 1/2 ID is larger than 3/8 ID.
can I mix and match. I was thinking like this, now I am most probably very wrong, as I have no idea what I am doing, but this is just an educated guess..

if I use, 1/2 ID on resor and rad, and 3/8 ID on the water blocks would I get better performance from it, as the 3/8ID will give a better pressure flow to the blocks. and in/out of resor and rad would be quicker due to larger 1/2ID tubing. Or is it better the other way around? or is using straight 1/2 ID just better than 3/8 ID.
One more silly educated guess, lol, would it make sense to use all 3/8ID on input and 1/2ID on output? reason why I was thinking like this is that, well. the smaller 3/8ID will keep the water going in slower, but when water gets hot, the 1/2ID will move it out quicker. yeah? but here is one problem which can face. hoses/tubes that has 3/8ID one end and 1/2ID one end.

Honestly I have no idea what I am talking about, lol. but I am so sure that someone here would know or even understand where I am coming from. so please please advice me on it.

btw this looks pretty sweet Corsair Obsidian Series 800D Case, how you think all this will go with all those water cooling stuff along with a 30cm long 4870x2 vid?


This post has been edited by elmo198: Oct 19 2009, 08:44 PM

[elmo198]

bump!! :)

[tunksy]

Just keep to one standard size tubing throughout the loop, mainly cos its just easier lol but primarily because you'll restrict the flow of that awesome pump, generally the faster the water is moving the better the performance.

[elmo198]

Just got my Danger Dan 4870x2 water block.. is nice.. cant wait till I have time to set it up. :)

[tunksy]

Just got my Danger Dan 4870x2 water block.. is nice.. cant wait till I have time to set it up. :)

good stuff give us pics mate! ;p

[kilsabber]

you end up getting a case?

if you havent. look at the silverstone raven RV01. Its a great case, with plenty of room to insert a 3fan radiator internally.

[SyKRyD]

I would get the following (plus the waterbock for your gpu that you already have):


Notes:
- G1/4 is the size and thread for the barb (The side that you screw in). This is a standard size for 90% of components out there - more important is the size on the other end.
- Hose size I would recommend 3/8" over 1/2". I don't believe you will see that much difference in performance since its only a two block system and you'll benefit from the flexibility
- Get an EK top to go with the pump so you can fit whatever size/type barb you want
- Recommend the 5" bay reservoir for easier mounting
- Would take the s-flex over the gentle typhoon because has a lower rpm (quiet!) yet sufficient and will last longer!
- Have fun!!

[elmo198]

are you saying I should use 2 pumps? the MCP655 and EK one?

BTW, I brought myself a Danger Dan 4870x2 block for my vid. came with 1/2 barb. I was thinking switching all the 1/2.. but than you said stay with 3/8. so I am confused. just that there are atm any that alot of stuff are in 1/2 barb. so save me buying more barb to change to 3/8. regardless I hear what you are saying.. all of this stuff is going into the Corsair D800 case.. which I will mount the triple rad on the inside of the roof of the case.

[tunksy]

are you saying I should use 2 pumps? the MCP655 and EK one?

BTW, I brought myself a Danger Dan 4870x2 block for my vid. came with 1/2 barb. I was thinking switching all the 1/2.. but than you said stay with 3/8. so I am confused. just that there are atm any that alot of stuff are in 1/2 barb. so save me buying more barb to change to 3/8. regardless I hear what you are saying.. all of this stuff is going into the Corsair D800 case.. which I will mount the triple rad on the inside of the roof of the case.

the EK-D5-X-TOP is a modification for the MCP655 pump that will give it better flow rates and such, though you will have to disassemble the pump and then reassemble the pump with the EK fitting. personally the pump on its own should be more than powerful enough for a two block setup, but thats my opinion.