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Piledriver and Trinity, Moving on from Bulldozer
mark84
post Dec 1 2011, 04:05 PM
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Thought I'd start a new thread dedicated to the Bulldozer/Llano refresh chips.

Some pics to refresh ourselves:





Piledriver is a little way aways yet, but Trinity isn't far off...

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/2...h_Document.html
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AMD to Start Production of Desktop "Trinity" APU in March - Document.
AMD to Commence Production of A-Series FM2 Fusion APUs in March, 2012

Advanced Micro Devices plans to initiate manufacturing of its next-generation code-named Trinity accelerated processing units (APUs) for desktops in March, 2012. Initially, the company will target low-power systems and sometimes in May in plans to start manufacturing of high-performance next-gen Fusion A-series APUs.

Staring from early and middle March, 2012, AMD intends to mass produce its A-series "Trinity" accelerated processing units with 65W thermal design power (TDP), according to an AMD document seen by X-bit labs. In early May, 2012, the chip designer wants to initiate mass production of A-series "Trinity" APUs with 100W TDP and higher performance.

The 65W chips will belong to A10-5700, A8-5500, A6-5400 and A4-5300 families, whereas 100W microprocessors will only fit into A10-5800 and A8-5600 series.

It is unclear whether AMD will launch all versions of its chips at the same time, or microprocessors with 65W TDP that will hit mass production two months earlier will be formally introduced earlier than the more powerful parts.

Before releasing its highly-anticipated A-series "Trinity" APUs for desktop computer later in the year, AMD will refresh the family of its accelerated processing units with unlocked A8-3870K and A6-3670K "Llano" chips as well as A8-3820, A6-3620 and A4-3420 products in January, 2012.

AMD did not comment on its plans since they are not yet made public.

AMD’s second-generation code-named Trinity APU for mainstream personal computers (Comal for notebooks and Virgo for desktops) will be made using 32nm SOI HKMG process technology at Globalfoundries. The APU will feature up to four x86 cores powered by enhanced Bulldozer/Piledriver architecture, AMD Radeon HD 7000-series "Southern Islands" graphics core with DirectX 11-class graphics support, DDR3 memory controller and other improvements. The chips will be compatible with new FM2 infrastructure.

According to a slide that resembles those from AMD's presentations published by a web-site, AMD projects Trinity's Piledriver x86 cores to offer up to 20% higher performance compared to Husky x86 cores inside Llano. In addition, the newly-architected DirectX 11 graphics core will provide up to 30% higher speed in graphics applications, such as video games. The 20% speed improvement represents AMD's projections "using digital media workload" and actual performance advantage over currently available Fusion A-series "Llano" vary depending on the applications and usage models.

AMD expects the new Trinity APUs to be not only faster than Llano, but also more available because of improved yields as well as because increased number of 32nm SOI/HKMG wafer starts starting from the fourth quarter.



Improved yeilds will be nice for them. I think they've been struggling to match orders made for Llano.


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sora3
post Dec 1 2011, 04:38 PM
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Llano is still quite hard to source for the notebooks. I think AMD is a bit overwhelmed by the sheer amount of orders really. I've only started to see Toshiba and as well as Asus selling their Llano notebooks down here. This is compared to other regions which got their Llano notebooks easily.


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nobody813
post Dec 1 2011, 05:21 PM
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Nice thread mark. Prompted me to make an Ivy Bridge thread :-)


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tantryl
post Dec 1 2011, 05:33 PM
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Anyone else having trouble thinking about something other than Dozer pile driving Trinity?

Anyone?


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post Dec 1 2011, 06:30 PM
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QUOTE (tantryl @ Dec 1 2011, 06:33 PM) *
Anyone else having trouble thinking about something other than Dozer pile driving Trinity?

Anyone?


Maybe just you. But then again, you're old? :P


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meowkitty
post Dec 2 2011, 08:30 AM
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QUOTE (tantryl @ Dec 1 2011, 05:33 PM) *
Anyone else having trouble thinking about something other than Dozer pile driving Trinity?

Anyone?


Just the people that do not need to lookup alternative meanings to "pile driver."

my alternative was
Pile Driver


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post Dec 2 2011, 01:31 PM
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QUOTE (tantryl @ Dec 1 2011, 06:33 PM) *
Anyone else having trouble thinking about something other than Dozer pile driving Trinity?

Anyone?

LOL



In other news:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/11/29/...dozer_questions

The idea I get from that is that they feel the architecture will scale well.
Here's hoping.


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Jeruselem
post Dec 5 2011, 10:00 AM
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QUOTE (mark84 @ Dec 2 2011, 01:01 PM) *
QUOTE (tantryl @ Dec 1 2011, 06:33 PM) *
Anyone else having trouble thinking about something other than Dozer pile driving Trinity?

Anyone?

LOL



In other news:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/11/29/...dozer_questions

The idea I get from that is that they feel the architecture will scale well.
Here's hoping.


Most of the answers weren't answers just more spin and hot air.


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UberPenguin
post Dec 5 2011, 12:45 PM
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Yea I gotta say that the answers were just crap -Q: "If we look at the majority of benchmarks bulldozer performs significantly worse then almost any intel chip? why does bulldozer suck?" A: "Bulldozer is a forward looking processor and by that we mean that it was designed not to suck in the future, so despite the fact that we will have new cpus out by the time these predicted workloads arrive and finally make these cpus competitive, we believe that because it was a little faster in a couple of benchmarks that it was not a flop and in fact a roaring success"

I'm a long time AMD fan and I actually believe that this architecture has some potential its just that I think they made all the wrong compromises for this point in time.

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post Dec 5 2011, 02:08 PM
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All the answers were "multithreading" is the future ... them SB hyperthread and multithread pretty good too!


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post Dec 5 2011, 02:41 PM
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so... considering the most graphically intensive game I play is Starcraft 2, at what point could I get away with not having a discrete GPU?


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post Dec 5 2011, 09:33 PM
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QUOTE (mark84 @ Dec 1 2011, 02:05 PM) *
Thought I'd start a new thread dedicated to the Bulldozer/Llano refresh chips.

So when the cat is away.... the mice make new threads to undermine the established ones....? (Just got the internet back... my god the hassles.... but hello Telstra Velocity [fibre optic])

:P

Trinity is an exciting product. OEM's are apparently loving Llano... it's ticks the boxes of sufficient CPU and GPU performance and it's all in the one package, which can make it cater for multiple, and rather exotic form factors. AMD needs this chip. It's probably the future they are referring to in recent statements.

QUOTE (tantryl @ Dec 1 2011, 03:33 PM) *
Anyone else having trouble thinking about something other than Dozer pile driving Trinity?

Anyone?

Oh you...


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post Dec 5 2011, 09:33 PM
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SceptreCore's back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm an in no way excited :-P


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post Dec 5 2011, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE (nobody813 @ Dec 5 2011, 07:33 PM) *
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I'm an in no way excited :-P

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post Dec 6 2011, 07:44 AM
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QUOTE (SceptreCore @ Dec 5 2011, 09:34 PM) *
QUOTE (nobody813 @ Dec 5 2011, 07:33 PM) *
SceptreCore's back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm an in no way excited :-P

You better believe it!


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post Dec 6 2011, 10:13 AM
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Welcome back Sceptre. How'd the house move go?

QUOTE (SceptreCore @ Dec 5 2011, 10:33 PM) *
QUOTE (mark84 @ Dec 1 2011, 02:05 PM) *
Thought I'd start a new thread dedicated to the Bulldozer/Llano refresh chips.

So when the cat is away.... the mice make new threads to undermine the established ones....?


Not really. After 115 pages I think it's time to freshen up for the next cores. Besides, they're not really called Bulldozer so deserve a different thread.


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post Dec 6 2011, 01:07 PM
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http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/item/25...yields-are-good
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Sources close to AMD have revealed that Trinity, the next generation of Fusion APU, is looking good.

Llano suffered from poor yields but it looks like Trinity has much better yields than its predecessor. We have already reported about the fact that CPU gets slightly faster than on Llano parts, but the graphics part ends up significantly faster.

Trinity should launch in Q1 2012 and hopefully nudge AMD off to a good start in what is expected to be a very challenging year spiced up with a lot of changes in the CPU market. We are still asking around, but all we are currently hearing is that 28nm Krishna and Wichita are most likely cancelled and that there won’t be any 28nm replacement.

Trinity is based on Piledriver, an enhanced Bulldozer core, but as you’ve probably seen by now, the desktop Bulldozer versions are not as fast as many have hoped for. However, Trinity is not aimed at the high end anyway, so the Piledriver core should suffice.

Trinity will probably do quite well in many desktop and notebook environments as it will be pretty affordable and it will offer good performance for the price.


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post Dec 6 2011, 01:10 PM
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Well based on piledriver cores, if they can squeeze a +10% increase per core in hardware revisions alone and get out their talked about scheduler patch for windows 7 (which according to the windows 8 preview could net a further 10%) then it could actually be a very good APU and cpu performance should be quite good.

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post Dec 6 2011, 07:23 PM
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QUOTE (mudg3 @ Dec 6 2011, 05:44 AM) *
QUOTE (SceptreCore @ Dec 5 2011, 09:34 PM) *
QUOTE (nobody813 @ Dec 5 2011, 07:33 PM) *
SceptreCore's back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm an in no way excited :-P

You better believe it!


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Yeah boiiieeee.


QUOTE (mark84 @ Dec 6 2011, 08:13 AM) *
Welcome back Sceptre. How'd the house move go?

QUOTE (SceptreCore @ Dec 5 2011, 10:33 PM) *
QUOTE (mark84 @ Dec 1 2011, 02:05 PM) *
Thought I'd start a new thread dedicated to the Bulldozer/Llano refresh chips.

So when the cat is away.... the mice make new threads to undermine the established ones....?


Not really. After 115 pages I think it's time to freshen up for the next cores. Besides, they're not really called Bulldozer so deserve a different thread.

The house move... As any, was awful. But now I'm settled and enjoying super fast interwebs. My math determines it 66.6 times faster than my previous internet access.

Also I will reemphasize. (Like I've tried so many times before.) Bulldozer was the name of the overall arch, and the first iteration core design. Piledriver won't be an overall arch change, but will focus on the cores that make up modules. It will also become the die name I suppose.... Anything that builds upon the original arch will just be the next version of BD.


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post Dec 7 2011, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE (mark84 @ Dec 6 2011, 01:13 PM) *
Not really. After 115 pages I think it's time to freshen up for the next cores. Besides, they're not really called Bulldozer so deserve a different thread.

Yeah given that Piledriver and Bulldozer are completely different cores it makes more sense to move to a new thread.


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