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Intel's Ivy Bridge Series Thread
nesquick
post Apr 14 2012, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE (mudg3 @ Apr 13 2012, 08:42 PM) *
Do another mATX build.

maybe... but some of the mini itx boards look pretty cool this time around.


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inoxlc
post Apr 14 2012, 02:12 PM
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is it me or does the new z77 seem alot cheaper than the z68 boards when they first launched??
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nobody813
post Apr 17 2012, 08:22 AM
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Ivy Bridge CPU Torndown, Photographed, Tri-Gates Revealed


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nesquick
post Apr 17 2012, 09:00 AM
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cool, I have never seen one up close like that before.


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ReapermanRS
post Apr 17 2012, 09:22 AM
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So there are now rumours that the TDP on the 3770k has gone up to 95w and that they might not clock as well as Sandy.

On another front more rumours this time from Toms hardware that the release is definite for the 23rd and it seems like pricing may be expensive


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unco_tomato
post Apr 17 2012, 10:14 AM
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The Z77 boards are cheaper than Z68 to manufacture as Intel has lowered the chipset price.


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post Apr 17 2012, 10:41 AM
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QUOTE (unco_tomato @ Apr 17 2012, 10:14 AM) *
The Z77 boards are cheaper than Z68 to manufacture as Intel has lowered the chipset price.


Are you allowed to tell us about Ivy or under an NDA?


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unco_tomato
post Apr 17 2012, 11:49 AM
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I can talk to you about Z77 not Ivy itself.


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Dasa
post Apr 17 2012, 01:25 PM
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wonder if they will release another revision of ivy in a few months that clocks a little better and comes with a lower tdp kinda like they did with q6600 c0 or was it g0? no mater you get the idea

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nesquick
post Apr 17 2012, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE (Dasa @ Apr 17 2012, 01:25 PM) *
wonder if they will release another revision of ivy in a few months that clocks a little better and comes with a lower tdp kinda like they did with q6600 c0 or was it g0? no mater you get the idea

yea that happened with quiet a few CPU's

Q6x00 B3>G0
E8x00 C1>E0
i79x0> C0>D0

interestingly enough all of which I have owned :S

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nobody813
post Apr 17 2012, 05:12 PM
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QUOTE (nesquick @ Apr 17 2012, 04:59 PM) *
QUOTE (Dasa @ Apr 17 2012, 01:25 PM) *
wonder if they will release another revision of ivy in a few months that clocks a little better and comes with a lower tdp kinda like they did with q6600 c0 or was it g0? no mater you get the idea

yea that happened with quiet a few CPU's

Q6x00 B3>G0
E8x00 C1>E0
i79x0> C0>D0

interestingly enough all of which I have owned :S

AMD is different. I love my C3 stepping Phenom II :-D


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nesquick
post Apr 17 2012, 09:30 PM
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I dunno nehalem was always a fun chip to overclock, I had a 4200+ back when AMD was actually good in the high end dektop market, it was pretty cool, this is back when overclocking to 2.8ghz for a suicide run was a thrill and you spent like 20mins getting all the settings exactly right after hours of trial and error, now days its just increase the multi *derp*

edit: mind you in the timeline of CPU's its hardly prehistoric, I wasn't around when overclocking required physical mods to the mobo and crazy stuff like that.

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sora3
post Apr 18 2012, 07:21 PM
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Well, Intel made overclocking too safe really. You just up the voltage a notch, and scale the multi as stable it can go. There isn't that 'Oh crap, will it or won't it?' attitude any more when overclocking. I liked that challenge which was probably hard given Intel made the best chip and yet had the crappiest way to overclock. :S

EDIT: BTW, got them in stock ATM. Picked up a 3570K already... >>

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nobody813
post Apr 24 2012, 08:13 AM
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If everyone hasn't already noticed, reviews are starting to trickle in

There are some on Atomic, loads on Anandtech, and one on Tom's Hardware. Haven't looked elsewhere yet

I'll say this though, it's an improvement in many areas, but for all those with Sandy Bridge it's not worth it. HD 4000 is good, the cold bug has gone, but it just doesn't seem to want to clock all that well, and is a lot hotter while doing it

Seems this new process works extremely wellat normal voltage, with a drop in power consumption, but overclocking this increases the heat even more so than Sandy Bridge

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post Apr 24 2012, 09:57 AM
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temps may be higher but its still using less power and creating less heat so aslong as your cooling is good enough to keep it at a safe temp for overclocking it shouldnt be a problem
but after the reviews have confirmed some overclocking fears im not in a hurry to upgrade at this stage

heaps of reviews listed here
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showth...7-3770K-Reviews

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post Apr 24 2012, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE (Dasa @ Apr 24 2012, 09:57 AM) *
temps may be higher but its still using less power and creating less heat

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post Apr 24 2012, 10:19 AM
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QUOTE (fajw @ Apr 24 2012, 12:03 PM) *
QUOTE (Dasa @ Apr 24 2012, 09:57 AM) *
temps may be higher but its still using less power and creating less heat

?

I think DASA might mean that temps, power draw and heat creation are lower at stock speeds and with stock-voltage overclocking but the opposite is true with significant overclocks. They soar at a definite point, with ~1.3v/4.6GHz being a fair bit more power hungry than with Sandy and 4.8 being voraciously inefficient.


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post Apr 24 2012, 10:32 AM
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QUOTE (fajw @ Apr 24 2012, 11:03 AM) *
QUOTE (Dasa @ Apr 24 2012, 09:57 AM) *
temps may be higher but its still using less power and creating less heat

?

the die size is smaller so it has less surface area to dissipate the heat which would be a fair part of why it runs hotter its just not transferring it to the heatsink very well
lower power use means less heat
if you have a large car radiator at 40c and a 120mm pc rad at 80c which will heat a cold room quicker? the larger one with a lower temp will

sandy 216mm˛ die size 995 million transistors
ivy 160mm2 die size 1.4 Billion transistors
ivy crams much more into a smaller space and power use hasnt dropped as much as one would like so yes its hotter

as for overclocking im still looking threw reviews but there seems to be a lot of variance between chips with how much v is needed for ~4.8ghz



From the large pool of CPUs that we have tested/binned, Ivy Bridge uses 25% less power on average clock for clock due to the lower voltages required (in this case Sandy's 1.48v to Ivy's 1.27v).
Read more: http://vr-zone.com/articles/ivy-bridge-vs-...l#ixzz1sujQBtAz

next to no sandy need more than 1.4v for just 4.8ghz and some ivy need over 1.35v so the above would bea rather exaggerated example i think

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post Apr 24 2012, 11:45 AM
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It's only worth the upgrade if you're still sitting on old C2D / C2Q technology. I wouldn't even make the jump from an i5 750.


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post Apr 24 2012, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE (Dasa @ Apr 24 2012, 10:32 AM) *
QUOTE (fajw @ Apr 24 2012, 11:03 AM) *
QUOTE (Dasa @ Apr 24 2012, 09:57 AM) *
temps may be higher but its still using less power and creating less heat

?

the die size is smaller so it has less surface area to dissipate the heat which would be a fair part of why it runs hotter its just not transferring it to the heatsink very well
lower power use means less heat
if you have a large car radiator at 40c and a 120mm pc rad at 80c which will heat a cold room quicker? the larger one with a lower temp will




I know and understand the point you are trying to make, but that is a horrible analogy :P


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