Nvidia Kepler Rumors Options

[UberPenguin]

Well that comes as no surprise. Everyone knew that nVidia would kick the shit this round. I wonder if AMD will release a suped-up 7890 or something to compete more on the single card front?

Those mid\lower end cards look amazing if the performance figures are correct.

This post has been edited by UberPenguin: Feb 7 2012, 01:44 PM

[nesquick]

still with a grain of salt guys but I suspect by this stage the specs to have an element of truth.

[mattyamdfanboi]

hopefully i have a job when these get released lol dont want to be stuck with the 8800gts too long!

[nesquick]

hopefully i have a job when these get released lol dont want to be stuck with the 8800gts too long!

its not all bad, I only use a HD6470m now.

[nobody813]

The GK104 will probably be the card of choice for most consumers. This mid range part will also come in two flavours, the GTX 560Ti with a 224-bit bus and the GTX 660 with a 256-bit bus. The GTX 560Ti ends up with 448 cores, 850MHz clock and 154GB/s of bandwidth. It will pack a rather awkward 1.75GB of memory and the price stands at $249. The GTX 660 will feature 2GB of memory and a 900MHz clock, but it will also be significantly pricier at $319. However, Nvidia expects the latter to match the GTX 580 in the performance department, so the price looks pretty good. The GTX 560Ti should be neck and neck with the GTX 570, which sounds pretty good for $249.

They keep using GTX 560 Ti, when it should be GTX 650 Ti

[unco_tomato]

I wouldn't trust this marketing piece as far as you could throw it. Again, "leaked' information with nothing concrete. No Nvidia water marked slides, no Nvidia screen shots or emails / documents, nothing at all to trace any of the information back to Nvidia. If the cards are so good, and Nvidia are happy with results, why wait until April? Yield or stock issues? Which points to a paper launch and high prices due to low stock.

I have no doubt Nvidia will take the performance crown, at this point it would be embarrassing if they didn't. You can't launch a card 6 months later than your competition and fall short, that is something AMD do with CPU's and it clearly doesn't help their cause.

Obviously if you have a decent enough video card at the moment there is no harm in waiting it out, but I wouldn't hold off from buying a 7950 or 7970 at the moment if I needed to upgrade.

[nobody813]

Another thing I've noticed; they're using the same strategy as what they did with the GTX 295. It has the top core, but mated with the 2nd top cards memory system. Notice the total memory and bus width

[p0is0n]

good to see some information, although not taking anything too seriously.

gtx680 = ~45%>7970? the guestimate may be accurate enough.
with 6.4B transistors is it going to be ~50% bigger than the 7970 which has 4.3B. If so, wouldn't we expect 50% or greater performance improvement?
(550mm die size vs 350mm approx) but this also probably means higher power consumption and more heat. same problems as the gtx580 has.
i only have a basic understand of how this kind of shit works.

edit: realistically i would expect about 15% increase over 7970 at most. however it will depend how well the 680's OC as to which is the true winner. The 7970s clock up very very nicely.

This post has been edited by p0is(+)n: Feb 7 2012, 07:08 PM

[nobody813]

Doubt it, I don't think it's a linear increase for both. More performance usually needs even more resources

[Sherman]

Looks pretty sweet if this is legit. I can wait until April to upgrade my GTX 260. Hopefully the pricing won't be too bad.

This post has been edited by Sherman: Feb 7 2012, 11:10 PM

[smakme7757]

I just read some of this info on a Norwegian tech site. ~45% better than a 7970 and the 7970 is about 30% better than a GTX580 which would put the new 680 at about ~75% higher performance than a GTX580 - Sounds almost too good to be true!

[sora3]

I agree with unco_tomato however, I don't buy into the performance increases as every company inflates them artificially regardless. In the real world, I'm guessing only a slight increase (perhaps no more than 30%) over the corresponding ATI cards. And the prices are too good to be true to believe so I'm going put the "same prices as AMD at launch" hat on.

Overall, nVidia will get back the performance crown but AMD will probably still win in terms of price/performance.

[philo-sofa]

I wouldn't trust this marketing piece as far as you could throw it. Again, "leaked' information with nothing concrete. No Nvidia water marked slides, no Nvidia screen shots or emails / documents, nothing at all to trace any of the information back to Nvidia. If the cards are so good, and Nvidia are happy with results, why wait until April? Yield or stock issues? Which points to a paper launch and high prices due to low stock.

As you know tho, it's pretty common to receieve pre-production silicon well ahead of the release date and in the pre-production steppings they can get a good idea what final performance will be. After respinning a few times they then freeze the design and begin volume production, but that's still a good three months between 'knowing' pressing the big red 'release' button if all goes well. In the interim they'll be finalising the production stepping, producing a their first batch or two (depending on how hard the launch will be) and finally shipping the hardware to distros . Apparently Nvidia settled on their final spin a good month ago, which would put them on target for a reasonably hard launch (still with some restricted availability) in April, which does put Nvidia a good four months behind AMD. If everything goes to plan anyway, but usually we'd have heard rumblings if not, woldn't you think?

I agree with unco_tomato however, I don't buy into the performance increases as every company inflates them artificially regardless. In the real world, I'm guessing only a slight increase (perhaps no more than 30%) over the corresponding ATI cards. And the prices are too good to be true to believe so I'm going put the "same prices as AMD at launch" hat on.

Overall, nVidia will get back the performance crown but AMD will probably still win in terms of price/performance.

Overall, nVidia will get back the performance crown but AMD will probably still win in terms of price/performance.

I think AMD will probably be better value, but that's one of the things that could change this gen. AMD seem to have had to take a bit of an efficiency hit with their redesigned compute architecture.

[Slackboy72]

~45% over 7970?

I won't believe it till I see it but would certain french people still consider the 7970 a great card if that were true?

[unco_tomato]

I don't know if I would get my hopes up about April though Philo. Nvidia haven't announced that date, so it is likely Nvidia simply "leaked" the date to the enthusiast market to hold off their upgrades. It is possible they will later announce an official launch date closer to April, pushing it back by a month or so. If they can get people to wait for April, they should be able to get people to wait a little longer (my guess is late May - early June) with the "I've waited this long, why not just wait a little more".

Until Nvidia put their name next to any of these claims or launch dates I give them little more credibility than rumors started on public forums. Even when they do announce a launch date officially, there is nothing stopping them from pushing it back again.

I know it seems like I am being dark on Nvidia, but I'm not. I'm just saying don't base your purchase decisions around a product that apparently is possibly maybe coming to market sometime soon, and is possibly maybe supposedly up to 45% better than what you can buy right now. I held the same opinions when the 7970 was launching ,no point in getting excited until AMD put their name next to some of the claims.

[philo-sofa]

I don't know if I would get my hopes up about April though Philo. Nvidia haven't speculated that date, so it is likely Nvidia "leaked" the date to the enthusiast market to hold off their upgrade, while they will announce an official launch date closer to April. If they can get people to wait for April, they should be able to get people to wait a little longer (my guess is late May - early June) with the "I've waited this long, why not just wait a little more".

Yeah fair enough Tomato - I do think the general vibe, and more than the odd fact supports a release around then, but the only thing we can be certain of there's no way of being certain. Remember they did virtually blindside everyone with GF110 tho.

I know it seems like I am being dark on Nvidia, but I'm not. I'm just saying don't base your purchase decisions around a product that apparently is possibly maybe coming to market sometime soon, and is possibly maybe supposedly up to 45% better than what you can buy right now.

Even if Nvidia aren't 45% better, prices will still drop a fair bit. At least in NZ, and to a slightly lesser extent in Oz that's the main reason I'd hold off.

This post has been edited by philo-sofa: Feb 8 2012, 11:49 AM

[unco_tomato]

I know it seems like I am being dark on Nvidia, but I'm not. I'm just saying don't base your purchase decisions around a product that apparently is possibly maybe coming to market sometime soon, and is possibly maybe supposedly up to 45% better than what you can buy right now.

Even if Nvidia aren't 45% better, prices will still drop a fair bit. At least in NZ, and to a slightly lesser extent in Oz that's the main reason I'd hold off.

That's the main reason I'd hold off too. Though the prices are fair in the USA if you wanted a card now, and the 7950 is a temping purchase option - now costing less than a GTX 580 while being faster.

[`angerfist]

With all rumours, you should be taking it with grains of salt. 45% better than the ATI 7970? Well it might well be better but 45% better? I highly doubt it. For all we know, it might be worse? Only time will tell when nVidia start releasing their cards =)

[nesquick]

With all rumours, you should be taking it with grains of salt. 45% better than the ATI 7970? Well it might well be better but 45% better? I highly doubt it. For all we know, it might be worse? Only time will tell when nVidia start releasing their cards =)

if its 2 GTX580's slapped together then yeah it will be.

[NukeJockey]

OOoh, I wanna put one on water

This post has been edited by NukeJockey: Feb 9 2012, 09:23 AM