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Canon 5D Mk III / 5DX? specs
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post Feb 23 2012, 04:13 PM
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The specs for the next 5D (if it's a 5D) have been under speculation for a while now, circulating between a megapixel monster with 60+ AF points to a reduced pixel count and extra video functions.
Now it looks like there are some (confirmed?) specs for the new camera, whatever it's name is going to be..

Specs

22mp
61pt AF
100% VF
3.2″ LCD
Dual CF/SD Card Slots
Price: Around $3500 USD
Announcement on February 27 or 28, 2012 (Depending where you are on earth)

Source: http://www.canonrumors.com/

Normally I wouldn't post something on speculation, however given the rating on the CR site I am going to suggest that these specs are about right, and am very much looking forward to the release. (Ignoring the fact that I will need to sell a kidney to buy one of them)

I'm looking forward to seeing the high ISO performance on the camera, and I'm wondering how 1DX-like the AF system is... Whatever the case, it's going to be an interesting camera.


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post Feb 23 2012, 06:44 PM
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post Feb 23 2012, 07:01 PM
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My problem with the 5D and all fulll frame cameras is the cost of which the 5D is the cheapest. Even at this price its out of reach for most of us. I am not speaking out in support of the 7D here simply because I bought one but rather the reason I bought one was because of the price. Dont get me wrong here, if I could have afforded it, I wouldve purchased a 5D. At just about 2x the cost of a 7D and then about a 1/3rd the cost to the 1D.

And whats the point of getting a full frame without the lenses to go with it, I am pointing purely at the L-series lenses and such. You need to purchase them to make your 5D purchase make sense. otherwise why bother with the 5d in the first place. In the end, I love the 5D, at the price point, its the cheapest full frame sensor camera on the market but its still way over priced. Canon could do itself some justice by lowering its pricing and make a killing, because everyone i know would love to have a 5D in their hands but just cant afford to do so.

Oh, well, my rant ends here.

Great camera though :D


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post Feb 23 2012, 08:55 PM
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While I haven't followed the Canon offerings that closely, it looks to be a nice update of a classic - although the suggested $3500US price seems a little high unless there is more goodies hiding under those specs.

Interesting to see what the other performance will be - frame rate, dynamic range, high ISO.
While the 5D2 appears to be a bit of a benchmark for DSLR video, I'd guess there are some noticeable improvements to those specs?

Either way, I'll expect most to be happy and others to be vocally disappointed (as for any tech) . but in reality, regardless of brand it's a good time to be shopping for tech.


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post Feb 23 2012, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE (strifus @ Feb 23 2012, 08:01 PM) *
My problem with the 5D and all fulll frame cameras is the cost of which the 5D is the cheapest. Even at this price its out of reach for most of us. I am not speaking out in support of the 7D here simply because I bought one but rather the reason I bought one was because of the price. Dont get me wrong here, if I could have afforded it, I wouldve purchased a 5D. At just about 2x the cost of a 7D and then about a 1/3rd the cost to the 1D.

And whats the point of getting a full frame without the lenses to go with it, I am pointing purely at the L-series lenses and such. You need to purchase them to make your 5D purchase make sense. otherwise why bother with the 5d in the first place. In the end, I love the 5D, at the price point, its the cheapest full frame sensor camera on the market but its still way over priced. Canon could do itself some justice by lowering its pricing and make a killing, because everyone i know would love to have a 5D in their hands but just cant afford to do so.

Oh, well, my rant ends here.

Great camera though :D


It's aimed at professionals. I've got a 5dII and a few L series lenses now and they are more than worth every penny. The level of construction of my 5dII is far beyond that of my 50d (don't have a 7d so I can't compare). The 5dII is pretty close to being indestructable for an slr. That kind of quality comes with a price but I'm not afraid of getting it wet, covered in mud or bumped.

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post Feb 23 2012, 10:44 PM
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QUOTE (stadl @ Feb 23 2012, 08:55 PM) *
While I haven't followed the Canon offerings that closely, it looks to be a nice update of a classic - although the suggested $3500US price seems a little high unless there is more goodies hiding under those specs.

Interesting to see what the other performance will be - frame rate, dynamic range, high ISO.
While the 5D2 appears to be a bit of a benchmark for DSLR video, I'd guess there are some noticeable improvements to those specs?

Either way, I'll expect most to be happy and others to be vocally disappointed (as for any tech) . but in reality, regardless of brand it's a good time to be shopping for tech.


The thing is there has been a lot of discussion regarding video with the 5D. Depending on who you speak to, you either hate it or like it. Image-wise, I'd love to have one, I really really would. It works really well in low light conditions with lowish ISO's. However, as you just stated, is the asking price of 3.5k justified? I dont think it is, and if you may pardon my opinion, I think that the price will be upwards of 3.5k after initial launch. thats me thinkin though :P


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post Feb 24 2012, 07:13 AM
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One important thing: 5D3 will drive down the price of the 5D2.


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post Feb 25 2012, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE (strifus @ Feb 23 2012, 11:14 PM) *
However, as you just stated, is the asking price of 3.5k justified? I dont think it is, and if you may pardon my opinion, I think that the price will be upwards of 3.5k after initial launch. thats me thinkin though :P

At 3.5K US, that puts it $500 above the D800 (I know you can't always compare cross brand offerings, and at this level it probably doesn't matter, because people who are buying have already bought into a system - they don't select a brand based on a 10-20% price difference), but I still think people will justifiably ask what does it do better that justifies a higher price.
Of course for the D800, that $3000US price, translates to an Australian $3800 list price (although street prices are coming in around $3500-3600). If Canon AU applies a similar markup, the 5Dnext will end up aroound $4500 AUD :(

QUOTE (SquallStrife @ Feb 24 2012, 07:43 AM) *
One important thing: 5D3 will drive down the price of the 5D2.

Always a nice side benefit of new tech. The perfectly good existing tech gets cheaper.

Apparently there's been a price drop of $500 on the D700 RRP in the US.

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post Feb 25 2012, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE (stadl @ Feb 25 2012, 07:26 PM) *
QUOTE (strifus @ Feb 23 2012, 11:14 PM) *
However, as you just stated, is the asking price of 3.5k justified? I dont think it is, and if you may pardon my opinion, I think that the price will be upwards of 3.5k after initial launch. thats me thinkin though :P

At 3.5K US, that puts it $500 above the D800 (I know you can't always compare cross brand offerings, and at this level it probably doesn't matter, because people who are buying have already bought into a system - they don't select a brand based on a 10-20% price difference), but I still think people will justifiably ask what does it do better that justifies a higher price.
Of course for the D800, that $3000US price, translates to an Australian $3800 list price (although street prices are coming in around $3500-3600). If Canon AU applies a similar markup, the 5Dnext will end up aroound $4500 AUD :(

QUOTE (SquallStrife @ Feb 24 2012, 07:43 AM) *
One important thing: 5D3 will drive down the price of the 5D2.

Always a nice side benefit of new tech. The perfectly good existing tech gets cheaper.

Apparently there's been a price drop of $500 on the D700 RRP in the US.


Now that's a classic, a camera made in SE Asia at US$3000 lists in Australia for A$3800. Now I know that this is what will happen but it shows the real problem with Australian retail pricing. The price should be A$2,800 at current fx rates, to make it $3,800 we would need to see the A$ move to 0.8000. Now I realise this is a more correct level for the A$ in the long term but that isn't where it is at the moment for the first few cameras entering the country and we know that when the A$ falls again to 80’ the fall will be used as an excuse to jack up the price further. Whilst there are some differences between US and Aust taxes there isn't a major difference, not enough to represent an extra $1,000 on the price. Whilst I'm not necessarily blaming the retailer somebody somewhere is making a big buck in the deal.


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post Feb 27 2012, 11:18 PM
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It looks like the announcement date will be March 2nd, so a few days later than originally posted..
For anyone interested, there are some photos of the 5D Mk III on http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/02/more-5d-mark-iii-images/


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post Feb 28 2012, 08:17 AM
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QUOTE (Chancellor @ Feb 27 2012, 11:48 PM) *
It looks like the announcement date will be March 2nd, so a few days later than originally posted..
For anyone interested, there are some photos of the 5D Mk III on http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/02/more-5d-mark-iii-images/


Looks like a 7D :)

Maybe with the latest nokia mobile phone having 41 mp and the automatic HDR in other new camera's (and other new cool features), the 7D Mk II will be the camera to watch :)
(And more affordable).

They seemed to introduce new tech and gadgets in the last 7D. Not that I am knocking the 5D. I would love one. I just think that Canon will release the 5D mkIII and then have some breathing room to impliment some cool stuff in the next 7D.


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post Feb 29 2012, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE (strifus @ Feb 23 2012, 08:01 PM) *
My problem with the 5D and all fulll frame cameras is the cost of which the 5D is the cheapest. Even at this price its out of reach for most of us. I am not speaking out in support of the 7D here simply because I bought one but rather the reason I bought one was because of the price. Dont get me wrong here, if I could have afforded it, I wouldve purchased a 5D. At just about 2x the cost of a 7D and then about a 1/3rd the cost to the 1D.

And whats the point of getting a full frame without the lenses to go with it, I am pointing purely at the L-series lenses and such. You need to purchase them to make your 5D purchase make sense. otherwise why bother with the 5d in the first place. In the end, I love the 5D, at the price point, its the cheapest full frame sensor camera on the market but its still way over priced. Canon could do itself some justice by lowering its pricing and make a killing, because everyone i know would love to have a 5D in their hands but just cant afford to do so.

Oh, well, my rant ends here.

Great camera though :D


The 7D is amazing for its price, nice heavy build too. You do get what you pay for with the 5dmk2.. Solid weatherproof build, much better low light performance, faster processing and it's a fullframe. It's definitely due for a firmware upgrade though, but obviously that's low on their priority list atm with the mk3/x coming out very soon. There are a few features video wise which the newer entry level canon slr's have which the mk2 doesn't!

Out of all my lenses, I use my 5dmk2 with my 50mm f/1.4 usm the most (couldn't justify the 1.2L when the 1.4 lens is absolutely kickass for its price!). You definitely don't need a load of L glass to take max advantage of the 5d :)

They'll get a lot cheaper over the next few months, enjoy the discounts after the new release!
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post Mar 2 2012, 12:20 AM
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Full specs:

Unsurpassed Image Quality
22.3 Megapixel Full Frame CMOS sensor
DiG!C 5+ Image Processor
ISO 100-25600 (expandable to L:50 H1:51200, H2: 102400
Full HD Movie (ISO 100-12800 (H:25600)

High Performance Operation
61-point high-density reticular AF (up to 41 crosstype points)
6.0 fps for high continuous shooting
Intelligent viewfinder with approx. 100% coverage
3.2-type, approx.1.04m dot (3:2 wide) Clear View LCD II
iFCL metering with 63-zone dual-layer sensor
Shutter durability of 150,000 cycles

High end features
Silent & low vibration modes
Dual card slots (CF & SD)
High Dynamic Range (HDR) Mode
Multiple Exposures
Comparative Playback function
Improved durability & water and dust resistance

SPECIFICATIONS
Available Colours – Black
Megapixels – 22MP
Sensor Size – 36 x 24mm
ISO/Sensitivity – 100 – 25600
Autofocus Points – 61 points
Lens Mount – Canon
LCD Size – 3.2″
Liveview – Yes
Viewfinder – Optical TTL
Min Shutter Speed – 30 sec
Max Shutter Speed – 1/8000 sec
Continuous Shooting Speed – 6 fps
Self Timer – 10 sec, 2 sec
Metering – Centre-weighted, Spot, Evaluative, Partial
Video Resolution – Full HD 1080
Memory Type – Compact Flash
Connectivity – USB 2, HDMI, Mic Input, Wireless (optional)
Battery – LP-E6
Battery Type – Lithium-ion
Charger – Includes Li-Ion Charger
File Formats – AVI, RAW, H.264, MOV, MPEG-4
Dimensions – 152 x 116 x 76mm
Box Contents – Battery Pack LP-E6 .. Battery Charger LC-E6 .. AV Cable AVC-DC400ST .. Interface Cable IFC-200U .. Eyecup Eg .. Wide Strap EWEOS5DMKIII .. CR1616 Lithium Battery+


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post Mar 2 2012, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE (Chancellor @ Mar 2 2012, 12:50 AM) *
Full specs:

Unsurpassed Image Quality
22.3 Megapixel Full Frame CMOS sensor
DiG!C 5+ Image Processor
ISO 100-25600 (expandable to L:50 H1:51200, H2: 102400
Full HD Movie (ISO 100-12800 (H:25600)

High Performance Operation
61-point high-density reticular AF (up to 41 crosstype points)
6.0 fps for high continuous shooting
Intelligent viewfinder with approx. 100% coverage
3.2-type, approx.1.04m dot (3:2 wide) Clear View LCD II
iFCL metering with 63-zone dual-layer sensor
Shutter durability of 150,000 cycles

High end features
Silent & low vibration modes
Dual card slots (CF & SD)
High Dynamic Range (HDR) Mode
Multiple Exposures
Comparative Playback function
Improved durability & water and dust resistance

SPECIFICATIONS
Available Colours – Black
Megapixels – 22MP
Sensor Size – 36 x 24mm
ISO/Sensitivity – 100 – 25600
Autofocus Points – 61 points
Lens Mount – Canon
LCD Size – 3.2″
Liveview – Yes
Viewfinder – Optical TTL
Min Shutter Speed – 30 sec
Max Shutter Speed – 1/8000 sec
Continuous Shooting Speed – 6 fps
Self Timer – 10 sec, 2 sec
Metering – Centre-weighted, Spot, Evaluative, Partial
Video Resolution – Full HD 1080
Memory Type – Compact Flash
Connectivity – USB 2, HDMI, Mic Input, Wireless (optional)
Battery – LP-E6
Battery Type – Lithium-ion
Charger – Includes Li-Ion Charger
File Formats – AVI, RAW, H.264, MOV, MPEG-4
Dimensions – 152 x 116 x 76mm
Box Contents – Battery Pack LP-E6 .. Battery Charger LC-E6 .. AV Cable AVC-DC400ST .. Interface Cable IFC-200U .. Eyecup Eg .. Wide Strap EWEOS5DMKIII .. CR1616 Lithium Battery+

Mmmmm nice. I like the HDR feature and the AF is killer.


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post Mar 2 2012, 01:40 PM
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It certainly seems like a well rounded and nice set of specs. No doubt that combination of pixels, ISO range and frame rate will fuel a lot of debate - and depending on real world performance reports, it might be the middle ground that many people will enjoy (ie, not the low resolution machine gun, but not the high megapixel slow frame rate option).

I think the Dual memory card slots will also be appreciated by some, and Agree that the AF impovement seems significant - While I don't have much experience with Canon cameras other than playing briefly with a couple of XX0D models, it always appeared that the AF features were, shall we say, not up to the par with many of the other great canon body features. It will be interesting to get more details on EV range, usable apertures etc, and the details of the distribution of those AF points (I assume like the other FF models they will be constrained within the EFS crop area).

Of course it's the wrong brand and lens mount :P but it still looks to be a kickass camera, and if the price is not crazy, it'll be a big winner.


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post Mar 2 2012, 04:22 PM
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B&H Photography is already taking pre-orders for the 5DMkIII (body only) for USD$3499. See here.

According to Gizmodo and Cnet, are quoting AUD$4399 for the body only and AUD$5499 with the typical 24-105mm L-series lens or more with depending on the lens kit.


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post Mar 2 2012, 04:42 PM
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great specs, disappointed that they didn't include an articulating screen tho, especially since one of the major improvement focus was on video, i love it on my 60D, for the times i did need it

still with a 5D camera what's most important to me is IQ, since when i go ff it will be a portraiture/landscape camera, so if IQ is not of a noticeable improvement over 5D2 then i might just settle for a cheap 5D2
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post Mar 3 2012, 11:08 PM
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The Canon 5D MKIII will be over $4399 for the body only, this is priced from canon! and the Premium Kit with 24-105mm IS USM L is priced at $5399 from Canon also. They are also doing a Pro kit with 24-70 USM II L at something like $5500... But the revision lens doesn't have IS so what is the point, the 24-105 is the proffered lens between the two anyway...

I've taken 20 pre-orders, and sold 23 on pro listings (Stock yet to arrive).

I can't wait to get my hands on it.

Been playing around with the Canon G1X in the mean time though, definitely impressed!


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post Mar 5 2012, 11:58 AM
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Again I'm skeptical of the HDR mode. I don't see how it could trump a pc in terms of final image quality. I'd love to mess around with it though ;)

And I'd say that's the same AF system as the 7D.

Are there any other specs on the video that anyone knows of? Like framerates for instance? The 5dII only supports 24 and 30fps. I'd guess that the 5dIII would have 60fps like the 7D. Although, considering the hd video would be the same resolution as the 7D and that the improvements over the 5dII are pretty marginal I'm struggling to see the need for an upgrade. I've been thinking of selling my 50D and getting a 7D to replace that (having a 5dII and 7D combination).

I don't know. I need one to play with ;)

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post Mar 5 2012, 12:20 PM
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The AF system in the 5D Mk III looks to be the same as used in the 1DX, so definitely something to be interested in :)
There is also an increase in the dynamic range of the camera, I think somewhere in the area of 2 or 3 stops better than the 5D Mk II.

I've been looking at some sample pics, though still have not found anything above ISO 6400 which still looks like how the 500D performs at 400ish.
http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/eos5dmk3/ if anyone is interested.

In regards to the video details:
From http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/03/canon-eo...-reflex-camera/

It’s important to remember that the Canon 5D Mark II owes much of its popularity to its 1080 video chops. And it’s equally important to note that, as Canon’s first HD DSLR, it still had plenty of room for improvement.

First of all, unlike the 7D and other more recent Canon DSLRs, the 5D Mark II can’t shoot at 60 fps. Why does that matter? Shooting at 60 fps gives you the flexibility to create super slow motion footage, by reducing the video to more commonly used frame rates (25, 30). It’s a useful effect, and one you can now take advantage of with the 5D Mark III. It shoots 60fps, albeit at a reduced — but still HD — 720p resolution.

Secondly, while the 5D Mark II had a handy input jack so that you could use an external mic to record higher quality audio, it didn’t have a headphone jack so you could actually monitor your audio levels. Not listening to what you record is the easiest way to ensure that it doesn’t turn out how you intended, no matter how fancy your mic is. The 5D Mark III fixes this problem with a stereo headphone jack.


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