Well... Wriggletuff... That sucks., Time to make some changes. Options

[MrInsaneBuff]

Yesterday i finally met with a nutritionist, after my Dr gave me a referal back in January. For the past 26 of my 32 years i really haven't given a fuck about my weight. Its been creeping up and up, and along the way there have been a few pitiful attempts to do something about it. But nothing ever took and i never really had any buy in anyway. So i just kept balloning like the bitch who ate the bubblegum in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

My Dr has been on me for the last couple of years. "Mate your lucky, you dont have diabetes, you don't have high cholestrol, you dont have Liver or Kiddney disfunction. But that aint going to last." At christmas i spent some time thinking about my life and how it was different from what i wanted. This was brought on by being in another country surrounded by hot women, where my accent would give me a clear edge in a pickup joint, but because im so fat, it would have null and voided anything else i had going for me.

When i came back i had a shitty cough, so went back to see my Dr. He looked at me, and said, "You know all that stuff i tell you is still true, but its gotten to the point where i don't think you can do anything about it, without surgery. I really think you need to look at Lapband."

I am deathly afraid of lapband. For a few reasons. One, you can die on the bloody table, two you can die afterwards, and three they generally don't like taking it out, and there is no way i could go through the rest of my life being able to only eat a cup ful of fairly bland food.

I love food. Good food. Its pretty much the only joy i have that i can share with others. So when my Dr told me that its basicly this year that i do something or its pretty much going to be like this and most likely worse for the rest of my life. I finally listened. But I still pushed back on the lapband.

So he refered me to a nutritionist who he is good friends with who has got good results in the past with people like me. Still i need time to come to terms with this so spent the last month and a half not giving a fuck again. But last week i got some pains in my arm, sharp pains. Turns out it was nothing, but it scared the shit out of me. So i made my appointmnet.

Well i met with her on Saturday. First thing she did was to measure my height and weight. She had to repeat the last one twice. I couldnt believe the number. My only savng grace was that i was not over 200KG's but im so close to it it may as well be. She poutlined to me that i had four options. One, Do nothing and most likely die sooner than later. Two, get the lapband. Three, go on a total meal replacement program. Or finally fourth, go on a very strict weight controlled diet plan, which would take much longer.

I have gone with the optifast. Three full meal replacements a day. With all the salad stuff i like as long as there are no dressings with oil,cream, eggs. For a minute there looked like there would be a real issue. Id have to give up my morning V. But this isnt going to be the case. Im allowed to have the sugar free one she has said. I might just be able to get through it.

My expectations are that im going to see a sudden weight loss. Personally im not too happy with that because it's the weight that can come back on the easiest as well. If im doing this, then im doing it for good. Im gonna shed all the excess weight, and im gonna keep it off. So the weight loss and change of habbits need to be sustainable.

At this stage we are just seeing if i can even do it for a week. After which we are going to re-asses and work out a propper plan. 2012 is going to suck i can already tell. But maybe 2013 onwards will be awesome. That is my hope.

Any way. I needed to externalise all this because honestly since she told me how much i weigh, ive been kinda out of it. Like there is white noise in my head. I'll keep you guys in the loop, but i wont be updating this like a blog or anything. Mostly just to externalise any shit that im going through.

[Foods]

http://forums.atomicmpc.com.au/index.php?showtopic=46921

Apart from a couple of Atomican's who "stack bulk mass protein protein protein", there are a couple of guys in that thread in your shoes. Jump in and throw your 2 cents in.


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[Khirareq]

Good luck dude - I only peaked at a bit below 120, but was a girl at school who told me "You'd probably be decent looking if you weren't so fucking fat" - Just gotta find that motivation

[nesquick]

Its great you acknowledge there is a problem and have sought professional help, that step itself is half the work.

I dunno about a controlled diet, you need to re learn how to eat, its the only way you ever have a chance of keeping weight off, IMO people are only ever successful at keeping weight off when they have a sudden drastic lifestyle change, like your whole mindset has to change on food, I know you said you love it and thats fair enough but unless you learn thats its invariably just fuel for your body you may have trouble keeping whatever you lose off.

the best thing though is to exercise as much as you can, food intake is half the challenge, exercise is the other half and stay disciplined, alot of people do like 2 weeks of it then are like oh tomorrow I'll do it, do not fall into that trap because exercise and proper diet compliment each other exponentially for people trying to lose weight.

anyway you should probably make up an excel spreadsheet with your starting weight and body measurements, then re take them once a week so you have a record of what you have lost and in what places ect.

edit: this is speaking from experience, I was 110kg at the start of 2010, got it in my head I am never going to be fat again, 6 months later I was 80kg and have maintained that quite easily, although its not to hard since I exercise all the time and eat healthier than alot of my mates who themselves are very lean and muscular.

This post has been edited by nesquick: Mar 25 2012, 04:52 PM

[Juggs]

I dunno about a controlled diet, you need to re learn how to eat, its the only way you ever have a chance of keeping weight off, IMO people are only ever successful at keeping weight off when they have a sudden drastic lifestyle change, like your whole mindset has to change on food, I know you said you love it and thats fair enough but unless you learn thats its invariably just fuel for your body you may have trouble keeping whatever you lose off.

quoted for fucking truth.

You can do all the exercise in the world, and ruin it because you still live in the mindset where maccas (et al) is an ok meal option (and not just an emergency, last ditch option). Your love affair with food, good food, is about to end big time. And chances are you'll never rekindle it, lest you end up back where you are now.

You have to get in the mindset of knowing exactly what it is you are putting into your body, and then making real choices based upon you actually giving a fuck. Which you will have to be giving, full time.

Good luck with it.

[MrInsaneBuff]

The rebound effect of a controlled diet was one of the things i was aprehensive about. But then i realised at this point doing something is better than nothing. Unleaning the 26 of my 32 years of eating habbits is not going to be a simple task.

Macca's has never been an ok option, KFC has never been an option period. I don't like all that fast food crap. Hell when it comes to pizza the worst i'll go is crust if i don't make it myself, which still is bad i know, but compared to the other options its light years ahead. Anyway thats all off the menu now, and for the foreseable future.

Portion control is my largest problem (pun intended) , by far when it comes to food. I don't eat very very bad food. I mainly eat too much.

At this stage my exercise options are limited, due to my weight, and also an ankle injury i suffered back in 2000 when i snapped both the tibia and fibia of my right leg above the ankle joint. There are still 7 pins and a metal plate in there.

As a result Running/ Jogging are totally out. Cycling as well. Walking and using a cross trainer are my most likely options right now. I've got an appointment booked with a sports medicine Dr to go over what will be safe and whats the best plan for effective exercise. The feeling of both my Dr, and my nutritionist is that a personal trainer (which had been my first thought) is unlikely going to be able to assist me safely right now. Further down the track they expect that to change, but for now would rather i stick with someone who has been medically trained.

[osama_bin_athlon]

guess you're going to have to stop eating shit (and so much of it)
or
get the gutband thingo
simple choice......

[ReapermanRS]

guess you're going to have to stop eating shit (and so much of it)
or
get the gutband thingo
simple choice......

Way to be supportive.

Ahem.

I'm on a campaign myself, the best advice I can give is you need to get your head around the fact that your body doesn't need half as much food as you think it does. Read the weightloss thread like Foods said, there is so great stuff in there and disolusiond was very nearly at where you are when he started the thread and is going great guns. If you can't run or jog how about getting a boxing bag. If the weathers crap and I can't run I usually just go and have 5 or 6, 2 - 3 minute rounds on the bag it's a hell of a cardio workout.

Good luck man :)

[chrisg]

Quck weight loss can have its own issues, personally I have never had a problem, at six foot I've never exceeded 95kgs, typically sit around 85, not that I weigh very often, just check the mirror.

At 95 it was more about muscle, that weighs more anyway, but my youngest bro had it bad - too many bbqs and beer I think. Had lap-banding a year ago and has dropped half his weight, very much around yours MSB and the same medical concerns. Now he has to have plastic surgery to clean up the folds.

With food it's more about taste and quantity, and possibly my terrible smoking habit, not that I suggest smoking as a weight loss method.

I eat like a bird really, one small meal a day and some grazing, but, zero on processed food and very, very little on take-away. I do like roasts, but my wife is no fan, chicken, fish and salads predominate here - funny thing is my weight has not varied more than a kilo since not buying much if any beef, lamb etc.

You can add all the taste in the world with a decent spices and herbs rack, a very worthwhile investment.

I have a weakness, comes of the Irish in me, LOVE potatoes, but its a maybe three days a week thing these days, rice is so much better for you and you can do so much with it. Number one thing to have on the shelf - saffron, not cheap, but what it does to rice... :)

I do not recall if you have contributed to the cooking threads but cooking your own food is step one, from raw ingredients.

Juggs will probably disagree, and no, I don't really disagree with him on it but until your weight is down go easy on exercise, you can stress your heart pretty hard when exercising with high weight. Isometrics, worth looking at, been doing it for years, no one much notices, I'm not much of a gym fan, personal choice, tends to lead to being a slave to your body, but that one is entirely up to you and medical advise, which maybe Scruffy will come in and contribute to.

That's a lot of weight my friend, in my opinion best lost slowly, but only from observing a few friends and my brother, take it easy but get healthy, because that isn't.

Just know, you are hardly the only Atomican in this fight, here any time, and no, not being elitist, with me, and it's odd given my bro, I think its primarily genetic, although stress is quite possibly a factor :)

Take care :)

Cheers

[BeDLaM#29]

I wish I could sympathise, but I'm one of those guys who's weighed the same for twenty years with no real effort. I can however empathise. It must be a tough situation and good on you for taking the high road and not going for the surgical solution. My mother has had weight issues her whole life, but last year competed in the Michelle Bridges challenge and came fifth out of thousands of national competitors. She's now a gym junkie and has more vitality than I've ever seen in her. I really think exercise is key as it represents that lifestyle change. Anyway good luck dude, I got my fingers crossed for you

[robzy]

I wish I could sympathise, but I'm one of those guys who's weighed the same for twenty years with no real effort.

I had that from the age of 10 to 20. Now, though, not so much. I need to start doing something about it. I've started thinking about it, making plans, but that shit will only get me so far.

Best of luck Mr. Buff.

Rob.

[disolusiond]

First up, MrInsaneBuff, congrats on deciding to do something about your weight problem. I'm doing the same thing myself and have been since early December. I was 178.5 whe I went to see my nutritionist and as of yesterday I'm down to 150.6. You can do this man, it's really not that hard once you choose to, which you have. I'm hesitant to give you any advice as you haven't really asked for any, you were just sharing which I totally understand. Just don't let anyone get you down or discourage you because you're not doing it the way they would do or have done. There are many ways to lose weight and get healthier, how you chose to do it is up to you.

Good luck, mate, and do like Foods said and come join the other thread. It might give you some extra motivation.

[eveln]

I wish I could sympathise, but I'm one of those guys who's weighed the same for twenty years with no real effort.

I had that from the age of 10 to 20. Now, though, not so much. I need to start doing something about it. I've started thinking about it, making plans, but that shit will only get me so far.

Best of luck Mr. Buff.

Rob.

Um, at what age did you start enjoying the taste for scotch, whiskey, and alcohol in general ? :P....... ................ ............... Loads and loads of sugar !


MrinsaneBuff, sorry to hear your news, but glad you're still well enough to have an active role in fixing it. :)

[mudg3]

http://forums.atomicmpc.com.au/index.php?showtopic=46921

Apart from a couple of Atomican's who "stack bulk mass protein protein protein", there are a couple of guys in that thread in your shoes. Jump in and throw your 2 cents in.


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This Brah is a jelly brah.

[robzy]

Um, at what age did you start enjoying the taste for scotch, whiskey, and alcohol in general ? :P....... ................ ............... Loads and loads of sugar !

Haha. Whisky isn't exactly water, but I don't think I can blame my figure (or current lack thereof) on it.

Rob.

[eveln]

Um, at what age did you start enjoying the taste for scotch, whiskey, and alcohol in general ? :P....... ................ ............... Loads and loads of sugar !

Haha. Whisky isn't exactly water, but I don't think I can blame my figure (or current lack thereof) on it.

Rob.

*smiling big time * Experiment time ... you could test your theory !

[osama_bin_athlon]

guess you're going to have to stop eating shit (and so much of it)
or
get the gutband thingo
simple choice......

Way to be supportive.

Ahem.

I'm on a campaign myself, the best advice I can give is you need to get your head around the fact that your body doesn't need half as much food as you think it does. Read the weightloss thread like Foods said, there is so great stuff in there and disolusiond was very nearly at where you are when he started the thread and is going great guns. If you can't run or jog how about getting a boxing bag. If the weathers crap and I can't run I usually just go and have 5 or 6, 2 - 3 minute rounds on the bag it's a hell of a cardio workout.

Good luck man :)

maybe I should have added Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny into the mix to make it more palatable for his tender young years?
i just say it how it is
he has two choices
eat properly/follow the diet/whatever the quack says
or
go under the knife, and take the risks
fuck, he even states that he knows the risks already
what is your problem? am I too blunt for you?
food is an addiction (in his case) I, my friend, used to work as a drug and alcohol counselor at RPA hospital.......
basically, I see what he has stated as a man who knows what he has to do already.......there's only one way that I'd want to go, and that's not under the knife gettin' some ridiculous gutband
I see he's asking for a wake-up call - he's been beating around the bush putting it off for years, it seems
I don't think that he needs more bullshit.

[tantryl]

Um, at what age did you start enjoying the taste for scotch, whiskey, and alcohol in general ? :P....... ................ ............... Loads and loads of sugar !

Alcohol is it's own type of calorie, it isn't sugar. But it is in that class of empty calories.

<angry-old-man-syndrome>

As you said, he had already said that. You adding "simple choice" to the end of what he had already said, and ignoring the fact that he'd already made that choice was just a weird kind of "I can't be bothered reading everything you say but I saw that you're heavy so fuck you, fatty".

[ReapermanRS]

Um, at what age did you start enjoying the taste for scotch, whiskey, and alcohol in general ? :P....... ................ ............... Loads and loads of sugar !

Alcohol is it's own type of calorie, it isn't sugar. But it is in that class of empty calories.

Nutritional information for alcohol is hard to find, I call conspiracy.

[robzy]

<angry-old-man-syndrome>

As you said, he had already said that. You adding "simple choice" to the end of what he had already said, and ignoring the fact that he'd already made that choice was just a weird kind of "I can't be bothered reading everything you say but I saw that you're heavy so fuck you, fatty".

FWIW, I don't have a problem with OBA's post. To me, that type of thinking is important.

Rob.