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Yes...just another PC build, Advice welcomed.
natto
post Apr 30 2012, 10:41 AM
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Hi Everyone,

Want to re-build, this is what I've got:
CPU - Q6600
MOBO - Asus Striker II
VIDEO - Radeon 6950
RAM - 4gb DDR2 vanilla/stock
PSU - SilverStone 1000W
CASE - Haf X (awesome case btw)

This is what I've got in mind (please share your thoughts):
CPU - Intel Core i5 3570K ...... or ..... 2500K need your opinions on this <---
MOBO - ASRock Z77 Extreme4 Motherboard
VIDEO - Same as above
RAM - Corsair DDR3 8gb 1600 (2 x 4gb)
PSU - Same as above
CASE - Same as above
and with this build I'll throw in a SSD (Kingston HyperX 120GB) for windows and a few games.

PC is basically used by me for games, media, occasional video converting, por...never mind. Mostly games though (BF3 and the like).

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks,
-Natto.




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tantryl
post Apr 30 2012, 11:38 AM
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I'd say the 3570K isn't worth the extra ~$70 as it'll have virtually zero impact on gaming but it's your choice.

I'd prefer the Intel 520 120GB, purely because Intel have a great reputation for solid firmware and took so long getting a SATA3 SF drive on the market (presumably using that time to work on the firmware).


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tHeSmUrF
post Apr 30 2012, 12:56 PM
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Hi,

Just conversion or do you also mean video production and the like?

Depending on the above I'd go with more RAM. I would probably go with 16Gb regardless, but that's just me :)

Is the build already on your upper budget or do you have more to play with?

Cheers

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tantryl
post Apr 30 2012, 12:59 PM
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Only 64-bit programs (not just the OS) can handle more than 4GB at a time. So unless you're running multiple large RAM usage programs at once, there's no point getting more than 8GB at the moment. It's not a bad thing, but you'll get no benefit from it right now.


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Dasa
post Apr 30 2012, 01:01 PM
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QUOTE (tantryl @ Apr 30 2012, 12:38 PM) *
I'd say the 3570K isn't worth the extra ~$70 as it'll have virtually zero impact on gaming but it's your choice.


i wouldnt say that
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/04/2...-3770k-review/7
unfortunately they only test arma2 with 3500 view distance instead of 10k http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/11/03/...rmance_review/2

also the price difference is only $24 at pccg or $41 if you compare the current cheapest prices

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tHeSmUrF
post Apr 30 2012, 01:11 PM
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True, but that is part of the reason why I asked about it's use. A lot of the software I've got for this purpose is 64bit (but granted, not all). At the end of the day aren't we talking about a bugger all difference in price anyway?

QUOTE (tantryl @ Apr 30 2012, 01:59 PM) *
Only 64-bit programs (not just the OS) can handle more than 4GB at a time. So unless you're running multiple large RAM usage programs at once, there's no point getting more than 8GB at the moment. It's not a bad thing, but you'll get no benefit from it right now.

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natto
post Apr 30 2012, 01:18 PM
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Thanks, 'conversion' only, and not a lot of processes open simultaneously - so I'm thinking 8gb will be plenty.

Yeah Dasa - I did notice the relatively small price difference to go the ivy bridge, that was a main factor of it having preference over the 2500k.

As for budget, the items I've listed come to a total of about $630 - $650 .... and I'm thinking that will be about the limit of the budget - gotta keep the "minister for finance" / misses happy.

Thanks guys, you think this will be a nice combination of hardware/zippy gaming machine??

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post Apr 30 2012, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE (Dasa @ Apr 30 2012, 11:01 AM) *
QUOTE (tantryl @ Apr 30 2012, 12:38 PM) *
I'd say the 3570K isn't worth the extra ~$70 as it'll have virtually zero impact on gaming but it's your choice.


i wouldnt say that
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/04/2...-3770k-review/7
unfortunately they only test arma2 with 3500 view distance instead of 10k http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/11/03/...rmance_review/2

also the price difference is only $24 at pccg or $41 if you compare the current cheapest prices

I can only see a small difference between the non-overclocked 2500K & 3570K. But considering my memory of the price was totally off, I'd agree and say go for the 3570K.

QUOTE (tHeSmUrF @ Apr 30 2012, 11:11 AM) *
True, but that is part of the reason why I asked about it's use. A lot of the software I've got for this purpose is 64bit (but granted, not all). At the end of the day aren't we talking about a bugger all difference in price anyway?

Yeah, pretty much. Like I said, it isn't a bad thing. But in the majority of situations and certainly in gaming it isn't a benefit either. So *shrug*.


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post Apr 30 2012, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE (tantryl @ Apr 30 2012, 02:21 PM) *
I can only see a small difference between the non-overclocked 2500K & 3570K. But considering my memory of the price was totally off, I'd agree and say go for the 3570K.


only 13% faster in arma 2 but it was getting gpu bottlenecked around that speed at those settings
30% faster in shogun 2 with both stock and 26% with both at 5ghz this is higher than i expected though and makes me wonder if they made a mistake

one down side to 3570k at the moment is it doesnt run well with high overclocks like 5ghz unless you get a very lucky chip but under 4.5ghz should be fine with a nice low v

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post Apr 30 2012, 02:01 PM
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I'd go with the 3570K, even if just because it's the latest, has the HD4000 graphics and a lower TDP. Can't be much difference in price at this stage too.

http://ark.intel.com/compare/65520,52209


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post Apr 30 2012, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE (Dasa @ Apr 30 2012, 11:56 AM) *
QUOTE (tantryl @ Apr 30 2012, 02:21 PM) *
I can only see a small difference between the non-overclocked 2500K & 3570K. But considering my memory of the price was totally off, I'd agree and say go for the 3570K.


only 13% faster in arma 2 but it was getting gpu bottlenecked around that speed at those settings
30% faster in shogun 2 with both stock and 26% with both at 5ghz this is higher than i expected though and makes me wonder if they made a mistake

one down side to 3570k at the moment is it doesnt run well with high overclocks like 5ghz unless you get a very lucky chip but under 4.5ghz should be fine with a nice low v

I think we're looking at different things.

Arma2 3750K stock - 104fps avg
Arma2 2500K stock - 100fps avg

Avg difference: 4%

Shogun 3750k stock - 26fps avg
Shogun 2500k stock - 26fps avg

Avg difference: 0%

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Dasa
post Apr 30 2012, 02:16 PM
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bit-tech review i linked shows
shogun 2
3570k 5ghz 36min 43av
2500k 5ghz 26min 34av
3570k 3.5ghz 28min 34av
2500k 3.3ghz 18min 26av

looks like i may have compared 2500k against 3770k in arma 2 though oops :)
still such a discrepancy makes it more likely there is something wrong with these results even though they say they retested and its consistent there is probably something affecting the score

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tantryl
post Apr 30 2012, 02:46 PM
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Oh, my bad. I was looking at the OCd 2500K compared to the stock 3750K on the Shogun test. Vaaary impressive.


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insertfunnyname
post Apr 30 2012, 03:06 PM
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If you manage to find a cheap 2500K get it other wise just go for the 3570K. There really is not real difference when it comes to gaming with 2500K vs 3570K maybe the 3570K will get a couple more frames but nothing really worth bothering about.


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