I'm going to pass on Diablo 3, Cause of buy and sell items for real world cash crap Options

[martyr]

Pretty sure the permanent internet connection requirement is to stop people gaming the auction system. Each item drop will be allocated a unique tag so that they cant be duped/will be identified if they are a dupe.

[wraith676]

I would also like to state for the record that blizzard have made in various blue post thier stance on pvp very clear. It will not be competitive nor will they be focusing on it in terms of balance. Its being put in for fun.

Also for the OP I find it both confusing and amusing that you want to compete in pvp at a seemingly high level, yet you have yourself in the casual space. WTF?

As for the RMAH no-one is stopping you playing without using the RMAH. Seriously, just pretend it doesn't exist and it will have no impact on you what so ever.
There is going to be a normal auction house as well which you would assume would also sell the same stuff that is being sold in the RMAH.

[Nich...]

Fuck Coke for forcing you to buy pre-packaged soda rather than letting you really enjoy it by farming your own plants and then cooking it up yourself.

How does one 'earn' gear in Diablo 3's pvp metagame, by the way?

How is it any different to those losers who go and farm gold and then buy items with in-game currency?

[Ihsan]

Fuck Coke for forcing you to buy pre-packaged soda rather than letting you really enjoy it by farming your own plants and then cooking it up yourself.

How does one 'earn' gear in Diablo 3's pvp metagame, by the way?

How is it any different to those losers who go and farm gold and then buy items with in-game currency?

Clearly you need to spend days or weeks farming pve mobs before you're allowed to pvp. Your skill against another person should in no way be a factor next to your ability to endlessly kill ai mobs. Hell, while we're at it, lets not let people trade items that are no use to them at all. You should have to have that use that Buriza on your Barbarian it dropped for rather then trading it with someone else for an Immortal King. You didn't earn that hammer.

[Gharphield]

And there wasn't rampant purchasing of items for real money in Diablo 2...

Yes it was, and Blizzard tried (but failed) to stop it.

[unco_tomato]

I think there was sarcasm in Ihsan's post there Garph ;)

@OP,

The way I see it, is items of half decent value (blue equivalent in WoW) will sell for a couple of cents here and there, due to their high drop rate and the relative ease they can be farmed. If I decide to pick up some items and it costs me a dollar or two, great, I may just do that depending on where my character is in the game, or if this is my second or third run through with a new toon.

If I'm playing my main and find a rare drop that is worth something, awesome, perhaps someone will give me $5 for it. I'll go down the pub later and have a beer on them. I'd much rather that than just letting it go to waste, or trading it for another in game item.

I think the RMAH is a great idea, as buying in-game items exists anyway (as everyone pointed out), though this way it is policed, and there are enough vendors competing for your money that prices will be very low. If you want to sell items, it's a way to make money, or as mentioned, if you want no part in it, just trade with other players as per normal. I don't see the issue here.

If you're worried about people spending $50 and buying some good gear, then beating you in PvP, all you need to do is spend a little time farming your own gear before PvP. It seems you are far more caught up in the end game gear, and PvP of the game rather than the game itself. Perhaps WoW Arena is a better fit for you? You can't buy gear in there, and it's extremely hard grinding.

[AccessDenied]

Won't be a few cents on AH.

For items, it's a $1 sellers fee (not listing).
Thus, you need to sell products for more than $1 or it costs you money.
If you want money sent to you, Blizz take a 15% cut to convert to paypal. Otherwise, your money sits in Blizz account, which can be used in RMAH or Blizz products.

After that you must then pay your Paypal to cash conversion fees.

So.. You WILL see things listed for $50 because it's the only way someone will feel it was viable to sell it for time/money investment.

The only real limit is that you can have a max of $250 in your blizz account before you have to buy or cash out.

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[unco_tomato]

Interesting. I guess that will keep the "spam" down, and only listings for genuine "rare" items.

Still, I'd sell a couple of rares to pay for a month or two of WoW subscription :) or in-game vanity.

[AccessDenied]

oh and sauce:
http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/di...ral-information

Hell yeah. I'd sell stuff on it. If I could buy SC2 with D3 AH that'd be awesome.. Achievement unlocked kinda thing. :P

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[corky]

Can we buy gold from the real-money auction house?
Players will be able to buy and sell gold through the real-money auction house at whatever the current market price is, as established by the player community.

i can see the chinese farmers having a field day with this

[Bundy]

Love it or hate it there already was a real world cash economy in D2 and WoW, now you jsut don't have to risk your account to participate.

Players want it it was alive and healthy back when when it was only supported via a black market seen both in D2 and WoW.

Blizzard can see how much people want an economy for game items because they will happily violate terms of use to engage in the real cash market.

This also takes a burden off Blizzard support because people getting their accounts hacked by dodgy gold sellers. At least people can now deal items and gold safely with a proper integrated and supported system.

[NukeJockey]

Love it or hate it there already was a real world cash economy in D2 and WoW, now you jsut don't have to risk your account to participate.

Players want it it was alive and healthy back when when it was only supported via a black market seen both in D2 and WoW.

Blizzard can see how much people want an economy for game items because they will happily violate terms of use to engage in the real cash market.

This also takes a burden off Blizzard support because people getting their accounts hacked by dodgy gold sellers. At least people can now deal items and gold safely with a proper integrated and supported system.

This sums it all up perfectly.

[neowulf]

Can we buy gold from the real-money auction house?
Players will be able to buy and sell gold through the real-money auction house at whatever the current market price is, as established by the player community.

i can see the chinese farmers having a field day with this

Yeah, I think that was blizzard's intention all along.

They *want* the gold farmers to use their RMAH, because that way, Blizz at least gets a 15% cut of any transaction made. They also get to keep control of the transaction, thus protecting the gamers from having their accounts stolen.

The only question will be, is this going to lead us back to Chinese gold farmers *still* running a black market, but doing even *more* dodgy back alley deals, with players logging into hosted games and having to drop gold/items onto the ground for exchange (Given you can't directly trade with other players)

[dysfunctional16]

The only question will be, is this going to lead us back to Chinese gold farmers *still* running a black market, but doing even *more* dodgy back alley deals, with players logging into hosted games and having to drop gold/items onto the ground for exchange (Given you can't directly trade with other players).

What? There is direct player to player trading in D3 where both players have to accept the trade before it is completed.

[unco_tomato]

Yer, that was one of the first things they changed. Blizzconn 2 years ago they announced the old "drop your items, and I promise I'll drop mine too" trading method was one of the first things killed off.

I wonder if they will add a new RMAH to WoW? I've got around 80K gold on my main toon, which according to random gold trading websites is worth roughly $60-$70. Not a whole lot of cash, but still four months of free play time. Or money to buy future WoW / Diablo / Starcaft Expansions.

[AccessDenied]

ehhehe... Doesn't eve already allow you to do that? :P

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[unco_tomato]

Yes, but EvE is way too hardcore for me. I gave it around 3 months, but it is seriously life consuming, even more-so than WoW. It's a weird game, in that they basically let all of the huge corporations and players play for free by redeeming in-game ISK, yet the players who pay cash (new players) often quit after a month or two due to the general steep learning curve, and huge hurdles of entering a decent corporation. I don't know how they make any money...

Would be cool if they create an AH for WoW like the one being implemented in D3, though they probably won't as all of the gear in D3 is trade-able (from what I know anyway), whereas WoW gear is BoP or at least becomes soulbound after being worn.

I like the idea of having a pimping armour set for one of my heroes, then having the freedom to sell it all if I decide to change classes in D3.

[Nich...]

What'd be really fun is if WoW also went to region-based AH rather than server based :p

[xnatex]

OCCUPY DIABLO 3!

DOWN WITH CAPITALISM!

WE ARE THE 99%

[Mr.Twinkie]

Love it or hate it there already was a real world cash economy in D2 and WoW, now you jsut don't have to risk your account to participate.

Players want it it was alive and healthy back when when it was only supported via a black market seen both in D2 and WoW.

Blizzard can see how much people want an economy for game items because they will happily violate terms of use to engage in the real cash market.

This also takes a burden off Blizzard support because people getting their accounts hacked by dodgy gold sellers. At least people can now deal items and gold safely with a proper integrated and supported system.

Nuff said.