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  1. Things may be looking up for AMD if they can deliver http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-zen-cpu-radeon-hbm,29053.html http://www.anandtech.com/show/9231/amds-20162017-x86-roadmap-zen-is-in http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/cpu_mainboard/amd_2016_roadmap_confirmed_8_cores_are_back/1
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    AMD Zen

    2600X is actually scoring higher than 3700X in shadow of tomb raider due to margin of error and in metro the 3700X is 1.3% faster than 2600X but this could just be margin of error again. And that is with a 2080Ti pulling a lot more FPS than your 2080. I wonder why Intel CPU are slower than AMD at 2560x1440 in shadow of tomb raider while they win at 720p and are close at 4k\1080p
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    AMD Zen

    Ram only affects CPU performance so honestly I am surprised the difference isn't smaller. I wonder if you would see any difference vs your 2600 in those tests or if they would also be within 2% of the 3700X. Most productivity suites see much smaller gains from RAM speed than CPU limited sections of gameplay.
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    AMD Zen

    Huge jump in AoS CPU test while the rest is about what you would expect being largely GPU limited and 3dmark being a rather small test it doesn't really flood the CPU cache like open world games do and I guess Civ is the same.
  5. Spent the day helping a friend put together a custom loop there is still a bit to go but we have made some good progress for a couple of hard tubing noobs. The tube running from the CPU to the front RAD had nothing cut from it... wasn't sure it would make it but it did. We also did the other two tubes but we were getting tired and damaged them so left it for now to be resumed on the weekend. There is still three tubes left so we can only screw up once more. We are one fitting short but that was only due to a mistake with the order being placed with 9 instead of 10 compressions although another 90 at the pump would make things easier I'm sure. I delided his 7700K with a razorblade which I think it survived but time will tell.
  6. It is fairly open but does have a glass side panel that screws onto each side https://cougargaming.com/products/cases/conquer/ The odd angles is just how it is Edit: Also brought home his delided 7700K and corsair H60 to play with. The H60 is a newer revision with a updated pump and larger tube than the old H80 so it will be interesting to see if it still has ~3c low flow rate penalty or if they improved upon it.
  7. Not great pictures of it I'm afraid, also took a little video with the old gopro 3 but it really didn't like the low light. Had to redo tubing as the new MB moved the CPU position and higher VRM HS blocked running the GPU tube behind the block. One of the MB RGB ports doesn't work so for now just the GPU RGB and Fans are going till a splitter arrives for the CPU\Pump. Might get some better pics one day once he has finalized it and had some time to configure the RGB. Gave it a quick run in borderlands 2 and temps were under 40c for CPU\GPU. The only leaks were when we left the top rad bungs out while pouring in the coolant then forgot to put them back before starting the pump.... oops that made a bit of a mess and a bit of a dribble from the fitting we screwed into the res for filling.
  8. Been a few delays with work and incorrect parts. He has been doing a bit on his own and will give me a call when it's time to finish it off. I think he wanted a new RGB MB so may have upgraded to 9700k. Edit: maybe this weekend.
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    AMD Zen

    Yeah it still sees really big benefits with inter core communication from higher IF even with RAM left at lower speeds. At least provided the difference is big enough to offset the latency increase from running outside of 1:1 ratio.
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    AMD Zen

    https://youtu.be/iHJ16hD4ysk?t=364 3800 vs 3800 tweaked subs was 2-8% faster in average FPS and up to 27% faster in percentiles.
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    AMD Zen

    Hasn't been updated in a while but try Ryzen timing checker https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ryzen-timing-checker/ From what I have read 3800 with 3700X is hit and miss and people with 3900X have a higher chance while i very much doubt 3600 would get there. Great to see you finally made it under 65ns It is nuts that you can run 3733 with 14-14-14 on Ryzen with that RAM as to do the same on Intel would need ~1.7vdimm I guess It would be good to see some CPU limited game tests vs the RAM at stock XMP.
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    AMD Zen

    What size are the fans in it? maybe replace them with noctua fans, that or find a old fan to strap over the RAM. But if your foam has done a good enough job all good.
  13. One of three short videos that are worth a look
  14. There is actually international super company's buying up our water as a commodity now that they have changed the laws so you don't need to be a land holder to own water, they are manipulating the markets to drive up prices and holding our agricultural industry to ransom. Combined with them flushing huge environmental flows down the river greater than what is running into the catchments due to it being a drought... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that is not sustainable or natural. The rivers in this country use to dry up during a drought not flow 24\7. But maybe I am bias living on a dairy farm on the Goulburn system. And while cows may fart and burp they are eating grass grown for them that has captured that carbon in the first place they are not just producing it out of thin air. We have also planted thousands of trees on our property.
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    AMD Zen

    Buildzoid RAM and FCLK settings vs performance on Ryzen 3000
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    AMD Zen

    If I go Ryzen 3k it wont be for a upgrade it would just be for the fun of it... so still undecided. Maybe if 3600 prices drop and Asus releases a high end ITX or Matx MB that will fit my case I will still get a new toy that could be upgraded to Ryzen 4k in the future. I am in no rush.
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    AMD Zen

    6700K has the same IPC as 9900K just half cores and ~500MHz slower. The 6700K will fall further behind as more games become capable of using over 4 cores but for now it still seems to stand up fairly well.
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    AMD Zen

    A excellent user review with a bunch of games. Gamble and I are currently comparing performance in shadow of the tomb raider DX12 but we are using 1024x768 and the built in benchmark vs the user above which is using a section of actual gameplaly at a higher res. Gamble is still in the process of optimizing his system but it seems current BIOS are making it a painfully slow task. https://ibb.co/3T3GVzw My 6700K at 4.5GHz 3733c16 at GPU limited 2560x1440 https://ibb.co/SsmYHj8
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    AMD Zen

    Oops I was looking at the instant FPS at the start of the test not the average in the graph.
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    AMD Zen

    2700X with 3600 RAM faster than 3700X with 3000 RAM in farcry 5 but no mention of timings used. https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2019-amd-ryzen-7-3700x-review?page=4 Crysis3 however it seems the extra cache on the 3700X is enough that it doesn't matter a great deal what RAM speed you use it performs fairly well while the 2700X takes a fair hit from slower RAM speeds.
  21. Prices are just a guide and could cost more or less depending on where purchased and changing prices so for current prices click staticICE or check out PCPARTPICKER which may even point out a potential compatibility issue with your build There is so many different brands and models most are fine so for mb\gpu look up reviews for yourself and decide. The mb I suggest for example are mostly based on price\features so there's a good chance you will find something better suited to your needs 2018 CPU Review Techpowerup GPU Performance Summary 2019 RAM Performance Reviews Cheapest Gaming PC Updated 08/02/2019 CPU AMD Ryzen 3 2200G 4 Core with Vega 8 Graphics $153 (Or 2400G $220 if you can justify it) MB 320M $70 (Make sure the BIOS has been updated to support The CPU) -OR- B450M $109+ (If you wish to OC 2019 update) RAM 8GB (2x4GB) DDR4 3000Hz $96 (A 1x8 GB kit would be significantly slower due to single channel, but would allow future expansion to 16GB HDD WD Green 240GB $48 CASE\PSU Antec ESK3450B w/ 450W PSU $73 (Or ASK3450B, whichever looks better; includes Antec VPA450P PSU which isn't too bad) TOTAL $464-546 AMD Low Budget Gamer Ryzen 2200G Review Updated 08/02/2019 CPU AMD Ryzen 2200G 4 Core $155 MB MSI B450M GAMING PLUS $129 RAM 8G (2x8) 3200 $199 GPU RX 570 4\8GB $189\219 SSD WD Green 240GB $48 -OR- Crucial MX500 500GB $99 PSU Corsair CX450M Bronze 5Y $79 -OR- Antec Pro 550W Gold 7Y $106 CASE Deepcool Smarter $45 TOTAL $655-IGP $844-952 Intel Low Budget Gamer I3 8100 Review | (not overclockable) Updated 08/02/2019 CPU Intel Core i3 8100 3.6GHz 4 Core $195 MB ASRock B360M Pro4 $109 RAM 8G (2x8G) 2400c15 $153 GPU RX 570 4\8GB $189\219 SSD Cache Intel Optane 16\32GB $25\59 Cache Real World Review HDD 1TB 7200rpm $55 PSU Seasonic Focus 450W 7Y $99 CASE Deepcool Smarter $45 TOTAL $681-IGP (Ok for a start but for gaming get a GPU quick) $870-941 AMD Value Gamer 2600 Review Updated 08/02/2019 CPU Ryzen 5 2600 3.4-3.9GHz 6C\12T $254 MB MSI B450M GAMING PLUS $129 RAM 16G (2x8) 3000c15 -OR- 3200c16 $199 GPU RX 570 4\8GB $189\219 -OR- RX 580 8GB $299 -OR- RTX 2060 6GB $549 -OR- RTX 2070 8GB $699 SSD Crucial MX500 500GB $99 -OR- Samsung 860 QVO 1TB $169 PSU Corsair TX550M Gold 7Y $116 CASE SilverStone Redline RL05 $59 TOTAL $1034-1614 Intel Budget Gamer (not overclockable) I5 8400 Review Updated 08/02/2019 CPU Intel Core i5 8400 6 Core $319 MB MSI Z370M Mortar $159 RAM 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-3000C15 -OR- 3200C16 $199 GPU RX 570 4\8GB $189\219 -OR- RX 580 8GB $299 -OR- RTX 2060 6GB $549 -OR- RTX 2070 8GB $699 SSD Crucial MX500 500GB $99 -OR- Samsung 860 QVO 1TB $169 PSU Seasonic Focus Gold 550W 7Y $118 CASE SilverStone Redline RL05 $59 HSF be quiet! Pure Rock Slim $39 -OR- Antec A40 PRO $29 (Optional for lower noise) TOTAL $953-IGP $1142-1761 AMD Gamer 08/02/2019 CPU Ryzen 5 2600 3.4-3.9GHz 6C\12T $254 2600 Review MB Asus STRIX B450-F $208 RAM 16G (2x8) F4-3200C14D-16GFX $319 GPU RTX 2060 6GB $549 -OR- RTX 2070 8GB $699 -OR- RTX 2080 8GB $1019 SSD Intel 660p 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe $237 PSU Seasonic Focus 650W $129 7Y -OR- Seasonic Focus 650W Plus 10y $149 CASE SilverStone Redline RL05 $59 -OR- SilverStone FT05 $129 HSF Be Quiet! Dark Rock TF $119 (Optional for lower noise) TOTAL $1755-2434 Intel Gamer Updated 08/02/2019 CPU 9600K 6C $409 -OR- 8700K 6C-12T $589 -OR- 9700k 8C $679 Gamers Nexus 9700k Review MB ASRock Z390 PHANTOM GAMING-ITX/AC $267 (Newegg) -OR- Asus ROG STRIX Z390-I GAMING $319 RAM 2x8 3200c14\3600c16 $319 OC to ~4000c17 1.4-1.5vdimm GPU RTX 2070 8GB $699 -OR- RTX 2080 8GB $1019 -OR- RTX 2080 Ti $1799 SSD Intel 660p 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe $237 PSU Corsair SF600 Gold 600W SFX 7Y $166 + SilverStone PP08 Adapter SFX to ATX $10 (SFX PSU provides extra breathing room for GPU. Have PSU inlet facing up) CASE Fractal Design Define S Nano $118 (Block bottom vents to force airflow past GPU and out the back) HSF Noctua NH-D15 $115 (Move fan from over RAM to the case lower front inlet) TOTAL $1641-igp $2340-$3762 AMD High End Updated 08/02/2019 CPU AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7-4.35GHz 8C16T $515 MB Asus ROG Crosshair VII $429 RAM 2x8 3200c14 Flare X $319 Ryzen Memory Stability Thread GPU RTX 2080 8GB $1019 -OR- Radeon VII 16GB $1099 -OR- RTX 2080 Ti $1799 SSD Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB M.2 NVMe $329 PSU Seasonic Focus 650W Plus 10Y $149 -OR- Corsair HX750 750W 80 Plus Platinum 10Y $195 CASE Silverstone Fortress FT05 $129 -OR- Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C $199 HSF Be Quiet! Dark Rock TF $119 TOTAL $3008-3904 Intel High End Updated 08/02/2019 CPU Intel Core i7 9900K 8C\16T $899 MB ASUS ROG Maximus XI Gene $539 RAM 2x8 3200c14\3600c16 $319 OC to ~4000c17+ 1.4-1.5vdimm -OR- F4-3200C14D-32GTZ $555 Newegg Intel DDR4 24/7 Memory Stability Thread GPU RTX 2080 Ti $1799 -OR- Gigabyte AORUS GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Extreme Waterforce 11G $2299 SSD Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB/2TB $329/649 PSU Seasonic Focus 650W Plus 10Y $149 -OR- Corsair HX750 750W 80 Plus Platinum 10Y $195 CASE Silverstone Fortress FT05 $129 -OR- Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C $199 HSF Noctua NH-D15S $115 TOTAL $4278-5450 Workstation Updated 12/02/2019 CPU AMD Ryzen 7 2700 vs 2700X 8C\16T $419\515 MB MSI B450M Mortar $149 -OR- ASRock X470 Taichi (Front USB3.1-Gen2) $299 RAM 3000c15\3200c16 2x8 16GB $199 GPU GT 1030 2GB GDDR5 Silent $105 -OR- RX 570 4\8GB $189/219 -OR- GTX 1060 6G $349 SSD Intel 660p 512GB NVMe $139 PSU Seasonic Focus Gold 450W 7y (4 SATA) $99 -OR- Seasonic Focus Gold 450W 10y (6 SATA) $129 CASE Cooler Master Silencio 452 $89 -OR- Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C $195 TOTAL $1199-1825 Office Updated 08/02/2019 Intel BOXNUC8I3 8th Gen Core i3-8109U 2C/4T 3.6GHz $424 -OR- Intel BOXNUC8I5 8th Gen Core i5 -8259U 4C/8T 3.8GHz $519 Kingston 8GB (2x4GB) DDR4 2400MHz HyperX Impact SODIMM 14-14-14, 1.2V $138 ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 256GB/512GB $99/165 Review Total $578-764 Threadripper Updated 12/02/2019 CPU AMD 1920X 12C\24T $629 -OR- 2950X 16\32T $1368 MB ASUS Prime X399-A $399 RAM Team T-Force Vulcan 3000MHz 32GB (4x8GB) $389 GPU RX 570 4\8GB $189/219 -OR- RTX 2060 6GB $549 SSD Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB $329 HDD Toshiba N300 NAS HDD 6TB $279 Blu Pioneer BDR-209 15x $85 PSU Antec EarthWatts EA750G 10Y $154 CASE Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C $195 HSF Noctua NH-U14S-TR4-SP3 $105 TOTAL $2753-3852 Little Screamer Updated 12/02/2019 CPU i9 9900K 8C\16T $899 MB ASUS ROG Strix Z390-I $319 RAM (2x16GB) F4-3200C14D-32GTZKW <Newegg $555 GPU MSI RTX 2080 Ti Sea Hawk X $2079 SSD Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB $649 PSU Corsair 750W SF 80+ Platinum $231 CASE SilverStone Sugo SG13 $55 (Tape up the gaps around the front fan\rad so fresh air has to come in the front not go round and round) HSF RAIJINTEK PALLAS <Newegg $50 & Noctua NF-A15 HS-PWM $42 RAD Fan's Noctua A12x25-PWM 120mm x2 $118 Fan Control Software Argus monitor $18us for 3y license TOTAL $5015 Hopefully that all fit's... Much below this line is old but there is still some useful info among it ================================================================================================ Cases 30 Case temperature review 12 Case temperature/sound Review Fans R10- Fan Testing- 120mm Fan Testing on an MCR120 Radiator Round 6 30x 120mm Fans Roundup - Tested on WC Radiato Be Cool: Ultimate 120/140 mm Fans Roundup 140 mm Fan Roundup Testing Eight Fans with Corsair's H80 WATERCOOLING PARTS Blocks CPU XSPC RayStorm $59 (lots of other blocks out there that would make a fine choice but this one performs well at a great price) GPU EK-VGA Supreme HF - Acetal $55 Swiftech MCW82 VGA $59 XSPC RayStorm GPU $62 EK-VGA Supreme HF Bridge E. - Acetal $68 Depending on gpu you will need to add hs on mem\pwm but these are flexible good value\performance block's MartinsLiquidLab 22 CPU Block's Review Skinneelabs 2011 Roundup Universal GPU Blocks Pumps EK-DCP 4.0 $47 (looks like a decent value pump) Q-max: 800 L/hr +/-10% H-max.: 4.0m +/-10% (oem jingway) Swiftech MCP355 $85 (nice little high pressure pump) Nominal discharge 454 L/hr flow, 4.5m head (Laing DDC) (optional to increase MCP355 performance) XSPC Laing DDC Top/Reservoir Combo $39.95 Swiftech MCP35X 12V Pump PWM 1300-4500RPM $99 Nominal Max discharge 1050 L/hr flow, 4.4m head Review Koolance PMP-450S 12/24V (If pump speed will be controlled, PMP-450 adjusts more smoothly than PMP-450S) Maximum Flow Rate: 17.4L/min (4.6 gal/min) @ 12V, 22.3L/min (5.9 gal/min) @ 24V Maximum Head Pressure: 5.1m (16.8ft) @ 12V, 5.8m (19ft) @ 24V $89 (Optional extra) Koolance CTR-SPD24X2 Dual 24V Pump Controller $89 Pumps Review Pump Noise and much more Rads There is heaps more rads out there this is just a few examples Swiftech MCR320-QP 410x128x34mm 1063g 14FPI $69 Swiftech MCR420-QP Radiator $89 XSPC RX360 410x125x58.5mm 8fpi $109 Black Ice SR1 480 517x133x54 9FPI $129 XSPC RX480 125x58.5x???mm 8fpi $149 ThermoChill PA 120.3 405x129x60 10FPI $159.50 ThermoChill PA120.4 524x129x60 ~2Kg 10FPI $189 ThermoChill PA140.3 480x142x60 ~2Kg 10FPI $199 Black Ice SR1 560 480 605x153x55.9 9FPI $179 Thermochil and Black Ice make some of the highest quality cleanest finish rads available but you pay for it Swiftech rads give excellent performance for your $ with a fan like the 1850rpm gt XSPC are also very good but may need a bit more of a rinse to flush out crap before installing extra costs to the above barbs clamps fans 7/16" ID tubing works well as it is a snug fit over 1/2" and can be more flexible than 1/2" tube but both are ok if you dont get a res to save space\cost a T piece can work well Total cost of watercooling with a cpu\gpu block is ~$350+ but you can keep most these parts over many builds provided you can mount the blocks on the new gear Insanity Updated 29/8/2014 CPU Intel Core i7 5930K 3.5-3.7GHz Six Core $679 -OR- 5960X Extreme Edition 3.0-3.5GHz 20MB Cache Eight Core $1199 MB ASRock X99-WS $399 RAM G.Skill Ripjaws 4 F4-3000C15Q-16GRR 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 $339 -OR- F4-2666C15Q-32GRR 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 $629 GPU Tri-Fire MSI R9290X-LIGHTNING 4GB $2490 - OR - TRI-SLI GTX Titan Black GHz Edition 6GB $4035 SSD Samsung XP941 512GB M.2 $578 & Samsung 850 Pro Series 1TB $735 Blu Pioneer BDR-209 15x $85 PSU Corsair AX1500i $519 CASE Silverstone Temjin TJ11 Black with Window $577 $6401-8756+ cooling CPU block XSPC RayStorm $59 GPU block's Three of whatever fits i dont know anymore Rad Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 Full Copper 560mm $99 Reservoir anything from a T ~50c to a monster res Pump's Swiftech MCP35X2 $222 Tube PrimoFlex PRO LRT Tubing (7/16" 5/8" 3/32") per meter $7.95 Fan's six Noctua NF-A14 Industrial PPC 140mm 2000RPM IP67 PWM $39ea lots of fittings $736+ Total ~$6k-10k Some useful threads List of suppliers for Cases, Case Mods & Water Cooling parts The Truth About Graphics Power Requirements V2, See how many watts you really need Beginner's Guide To Tweaking/overclocking Your Graphics V3, The How to tweaking/overclocking your video card. Atomics Most Recommended Psus Thread., Looking for a good PSU. Look no further than this thread. Official ASUS P8P67 Series Overclocking Guide and Information http://www.overclockers.com/3step-guide-to...k-intel-haswell Intel Core i3, i5, and i7 3 Step Overclocking Guides Water Cooling Information/Guides & Reviews/Tests & Galleries The LCD Thread Guide to Building a HD HTPC Extreme Cooling Forum Collective Sticky Black Viper's Windows 7 Service Pack 1 Service Configurations TweakHound Tweaking Windows 7
  22. He is reusing the old GB 1080Ti we were able to get the last Full cover block available for it as it's now EOL. EK XRES 140 Revo D5 RGB PWM Pump/Reservoir Combo
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    AMD Zen

    This is the main reason I was looking at going AMD as the 9900K is just the same as my 6700K but more cores so up the multi and job done.
  24. AMD 3000 series is probably cooler running than Intel at the moment. Things that matter for noise are mostly your choice of cooling for CPU\GPU followed by your selection of case\PSU. Making a quiet gaming PC is a lot easier than it used to be and I try to make all builds as quiet as possible but when there is a budget to work to sacrifices need to be made. I have also been helping to update the builds over here some of which are currently more up to date than this guide. https://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/rmp_sg_whirlpoolpcs
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    AMD Zen

    That is a improvement at least as in the first BIOS apparently the option to set boot v had been removed. Nice detailed review. Apparently there MB was relaxing secondary timings as primary were tightened canceling out the gains. AMD Ryzen 3000 – Part IV – DDR4 Scaling – ENGLISH Version [der8auer] Per CCX overclocking https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-amd-cpus/1729680-der8auer-per-ccx-overclocking.html
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