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  1. Fuseteam

    God, space and time

    I can say they deserve it because I know God is righteous. That is not judging; it is acknowledging the fact that people who God sends to Hell deserve to go to Hell. I do not "realize that what Adam did is worse than the worst crime" and I think if people mentioned in The Old Testament were going to Hell then Hell would be mentioned in The Old Testament. You said God warns people before punishing them. I is not necessary to use God's name in order for it to be sanctified. Roman's 10:13 says "For, ‘Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.’". It does not say "For, ‘Everyone who does not call on the name of the Lord shall not be saved.’". well then that's two reasons why Jehovah does not send people to Hell He righteous and as such will not burn his children forever He never warned about going to Hell and yes Adam's sin is the worst crime imaginable: he stole from God he blamed God for his sin he killed all his descendents by denying them any chance at everlasting life he responsible for 6000 years of defiance of God as thus 6000 years of suffering he suggested that God lied he supported satan in challenging God's right to rule he showed no gratitude for everything God has given him this list can go on..... how do you sanctify a name if you never used it? and saying someone deserves an punishment is judging and as apostle paul states in his letter to the corinthians : "love does not rejoice over unrighteousness" so as christians we can rejoice over someone suffering, let alone say they deserve it finally if we would be saved without calling on His name than why called on Him at all? Hell is a clear Biblical teaching. If you say otherwise you have either not read The New Testament or you don't remember it or you don't believe it. Adam did not kill anyone. You cannot kill someone who does not exist. How do you know Adam showed no gratitude? It's not like everything he said is recorded in The Bible. What did Adam steal from God? Please show me where it says Adam stole from God. Where did Adam blame God for his sin? Where did Adam suggest God lied? You can say God's name is holy without mentioning his name. I did not judge. I don't know what you mean by your last sentence. Hell is not a biblical as paul said in romans 6:23 "the wages sin pays is death" just as is written in "the old testament" in ezekiel 18:4 "the soul who sin that is who will die" the bible is one book not two separate books is is one harmonious book God has not changed as stated in malachi 3:6 He did not send people to hell before Jesus was born and He does not do so after Jesus died as stated in romans 5:12 why die because of Adam so he effectively killed us all God gave Adam everything except for the tree of knowledge of good and evil so Adam eating from it is stealing from God the devil said in genesis 3:4:“You certainly will not die" by eating at least Eve implied that God lied about dying and adam also eating means he implied the same or chose death furhermore Adam chose his wive over God how does that show gratitude toward God who gave him everything he has including his wive? and that was already bad in genesis 3:12 he says to God :"The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit from the tree, so I ate" thus blaming his sin on God. saying God name is holy to an non-believer will not sanctify His Holy name. His name need to be sanctified and be Holy to everyone including non-believers as stated in Ezekiel 12:15 "and they will have to know that i'm Jehovah" which is why we need to use it since processes can't engineer an superior intelligence is behind all feats of engineering not achieved by man as i said we'll live forever as God intended, He gave our ancestors the task to fill the earth with righteous people which is yet to be accomplished 6000 years later and once this has been done surely he has a lot more in store for us. remember Genesis said He rested from all his work he created it does not say He stopped i agree that only 144.000 will go to heaven and that God chooses who belongs to this 144.000 but why would i worry? revelations reveals in revelation 7:9 that 'a great crowd, which no man was able to number' will be standing before God's throne with branches of palm in their hands. this signifies that this uncountable crowd will live on earth under God's rule. as i have mentioned even bible speaks of other "gods" so religion not calling their god Jehovah simply have a different god and yes it is His word if you were to give the bible a chance and simple read it you notice yourself why this is so how else could an book be written by men who lived hunderds of years apart with background ranging from peasant to doctor be able to write an harmonious book? there have been attempts to destroy it but God protected His word and it has been preserved, so don't you think He also preserved His word from unlawfull modification? Yep I've read the bible It didnt offer much in the way of sense. Although I did like Death (the horseman) happily claiming to be the mightiest, http://biblehub.com/revelation/19-16.htm Take THAT 'god' lol, Death has arrived! THen he whooped some ass. Loved it. By reading the part that came before them? Not everyone's a retard. Nope, how many other peoples bibles have you read? Even if you believed one to be true, that single one has been ripped apart and barstardised by OTHER religions.; so no, there exists proof that he was not able to. For an interesting contract I'd recommend any of the texts used by 'satan worshipers' I dont believe that either, but its always good to read b oth sides of a story. if mean with 'god' the gods of this world i agree for the one true God is immortal and therefore is unable to die daniel claimed he did not understand what he wrote in daniel chapter 12:8 and many of Jesus time did not understand either as seen with the apostles question to Jesus in matthew 24 and yet the book revelations written by the apostle John is necessary to understand an prophecy written in book daniel wrote and they lived hundreds of years apart an now about 2000 years later it is being fulfilled for comparing bible translations there are five translations available to read on jw.org a sixth is available in the app JW library and why would i a liar's book? the devil said to eve she would not die if she eat the fruit where is eve now? as i have mentioned even bible speaks of other "gods" so religion not calling their god Jehovah simply have a different god and yes it is His word if you were to give the bible a chance and simple read it you notice yourself why this is so how else could an book be written by men who lived hunderds of years apart with background ranging from peasant to doctor be able to write an harmonious book? there have been attempts to destroy it but God protected His word and it has been preserved, so don't you think He also preserved His word from unlawfull modification? Yep I've read the bible It didnt offer much in the way of sense. Although I did like Death (the horseman) happily claiming to be the mightiest, http://biblehub.com/revelation/19-16.htm Take THAT 'god' lol, Death has arrived! THen he whooped some ass. Loved it. By reading the part that came before them? Not everyone's a retard. Nope, how many other peoples bibles have you read? Even if you believed one to be true, that single one has been ripped apart and barstardised by OTHER religions.; so no, there exists proof that he was not able to. For an interesting contract I'd recommend any of the texts used by 'satan worshipers' I dont believe that either, but its always good to read b oth sides of a story. Interesting that Lucifer basically translates to the bringer of light, could well be that the church has been denying and vilifying light and reason from the beginning. Lucifer may have been his name before he became the devil(why basically means accuser) and satan(which basically means enemy) but i not found sufficient evidence that is even is his name
  2. Fuseteam

    God, space and time

    Yahweh. I can say they deserve it because I know God is righteous. That is not judging; it is acknowledging the fact that people who God sends to Hell deserve to go to Hell. I do not "realize that what Adam did is worse than the worst crime" and I think if people mentioned in The Old Testament were going to Hell then Hell would be mentioned in The Old Testament. You said God warns people before punishing them. I is not necessary to use God's name in order for it to be sanctified. Roman's 10:13 says "For, ‘Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.’". It does not say "For, ‘Everyone who does not call on the name of the Lord shall not be saved.’". well then that's two reasons why Jehovah does not send people to Hell He righteous and as such will not burn his children forever He never warned about going to Hell and yes Adam's sin is the worst crime imaginable: he stole from God he blamed God for his sin he killed all his descendents by denying them any chance at everlasting life he responsible for 6000 years of defiance of God as thus 6000 years of suffering he suggested that God lied he supported satan in challenging God's right to rule he showed no gratitude for everything God has given him this list can go on..... how do you sanctify a name if you never used it? and saying someone deserves an punishment is judging and as apostle paul states in his letter to the corinthians : "love does not rejoice over unrighteousness" so as christians we can rejoice over someone suffering, let alone say they deserve it finally if we would be saved without calling on His name than why called on Him at all?
  3. Fuseteam

    God, space and time

    as i have mentioned even bible speaks of other "gods" so religion not calling their god Jehovah simply have a different god and yes it is His word if you were to give the bible a chance and simple read it you notice yourself why this is so how else could an book be written by men who lived hunderds of years apart with background ranging from peasant to doctor be able to write an harmonious book? there have been attempts to destroy it but God protected His word and it has been preserved, so don't you think He also preserved His word from unlawfull modification? you used Jehovah's name way too lightly in your previous with your mockery that's the only reason i said that in other words as long as you don't mock, insult or used it in that way i will not consider your use to be light did you know? Right now scientists are trying to create an DNA computer yes an computer made of DNA. if DNA was not superior to cds or silicon for that do you think they would spend billions of dollar to do that. and processes engineering? processes are engineered not the other way around! the name itself should give that away definition of engineering: Engineering is the application of mathematics, empirical evidence and scientific,economic, social, and practical knowledge in order to invent, design, build,maintain, research, and improve structures, machines, tools, systems,components, materials, and processes. once again an process can't engineer it is engineered. "If these false 'gods' are so powerful compared to us, why are there so many people still alive? I mean there's only one Allah so maybe that god has limited scope, but the Hindus have literally thousands, so that could easily add up to a few billion per night." because the Almighty God Jehovah does not allow them to kill or better said He has made them incapable of killing us in such big numbers so that we may get a chance to learn about Him "And, as a non-believer, what should I be worried about? Will I die and stay dead? Will he take umbrage against me more or less than the billions of other people who either don't believe or believe wrong?" i take it you don't really want to die right? if die you lose everything you know. don't you rather live forever without worry? this exactly what promises if you'd only listen. did you know? while morally wrong right now children of two brothers marrying have no chance of getting malformed children, and since were talking about the time before the flood they live over 900 years meaning mankind was much more perfect than now in other words malformed and retarded are a result of the original sin
  4. Fuseteam

    God, space and time

    why do you say this? i pretty much been trying to use the world to prove His existence. in case you haven't noticed His name is Jehovah many times as is said about 7000 times in His word the bible I appreciate the challenge, and I think there are reasonable questions when it comes to the definition of 'suffering' and the 'greater good'. A more strictly defined version of the argument is as follows: 1. God exists. 2. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent. 3. An omnibenevolent being would want to prevent all evils. 4. An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence, and knows every way in which those evils could be prevented. 5. An omnipotent being has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence. 6. A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil. 7. If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent God, then no evil exists. 8. Evil exists (logical contradiction). i posted this joke here once: A guy sees a sign in front of a house "Talking Dog for Sale." He rings the bell and the owner tells him the dog is in the backyard. The guy goes into the backyard and sees the mutt sitting there. "You talk?" he asks. "Yep," the mutt replies. "Wow! I can't believe it. So, what's your story then?" The mutt looks up and says, "Well, I discovered this gift pretty young and I wanted to help the government out, so I told the CIA about my gift, and in no time they had me jetting from country to country, sitting in rooms with spies and world leaders, because no one figured a dog would be eavesdropping, right? I was one of their most valuable spies eight years running. But after a while all the jetting around really tired me out. I knew I wasn't getting any younger, and I wanted to settle down. So I signed up for a job at the airport to do some undercover security work — mostly wandering around near suspicious looking characters and listening in. Anyway, I uncovered some incredible dealings there and was awarded a whole raft of medals. Had a wife, a mess of puppies, and now....now I'm just retired." The guy is utterly gobsmacked. He goes back in to the house and asks the owner what he wants for the dog. The owner says "Ten dollars should do it." "But this dog is amazing! Why on earth are you selling him for only $10?" The owner replies, "Because he's such a fucking liar!" youre hung up on a missapprehension — that concepts like "evil" can be assumed to be immutable constants for all values of God. this is a non sequitur. alas, you cant pin a disproof of the existence of an all powerful sky wizard onto logic that, after the fact, his very existence would have absolute power to redefine. in for a penny, in for a pound. the concept evil is also called sin and the ancient hebrew word for sin as it is used in bible can also be translated as "missing the goal/target" in other words using an car for surfing can be called an sin by the creator of that car. similarly the creator of everything has the right to say what is good and what is evil. there is no need to redefine since He is the one who defined it in the first place. I am not saying we should never use God's name. I don't have a problem with people using God's name. I am saying it is not necessary. He has answered prayers without the use of his name. People go to hell because they deserve it. Using God's name does not necessarily mean one will be saved and one can be saved without using God's name. i can't say if they deserve it or not since i'm human myself and Jesus taught us not to judge lest be will not be judged but you did not answer my question i repeat it for now if Jehovah did not even send Adam and Eve to Hell why would He send people to Hell? He hasn't changed as He assures us in the bible. you do realize that what Adam did is worse than the worst crime, right? As i said that it is necessary to use His name in order to sanctify it, is it not? "one can be saved without using God's name." why do you say this can you prove this using the bible? because romans 10:13 clearly states :'For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved'
  5. Fuseteam

    God, space and time

    Metaphorically, sure, maybe but in this case I would say arguable. But literally? Light, enlightenment, ascending, warmth, sustenance, etc. I can look at a candle tho'. I can even look at the sun. If the object is so bright that it can't be seen without killing you, I'd argue it has less to do with being good and more to do with being bad. Or, more likely, anachronistic. Because it's after 1am and what else are forums for anymore, this 'natural inclination' feels even more backwards and steeped in cultural iconography : p Considering neither one of us is arguing that our divergent answers are a who, but rather a what, that's an odd question. Considering neither one of us is arguing that our divergent answers are a who, but rather a what, that's an odd question. Yes. Selective pressures design many things, I guess you could say. I'm using the word 'design' without 'intent' attached, tho', which I suspect is where we differ wildly. may? a) how would you know, b) how would you know you backed the right spirit that isn't lying? c) YHWH has been pretty quiet for a while now if you exclude those pesky Muslims who co-opted the Jewish god in the same way Christians did. d) why are gods now 'gods'? If they're not real gods, why call them that? If YHWH is the God of gods, then it follows that, well, trickster god hooooo! Because human brains - and perhaps other brains - have lovely traps in how they processes patterns. Or, as a smarter person than me called them, paradigms. Conjecture. What you do or don't know has no bearing on what has actually happened, because you've no direct experience. So a test, then? If the Sun doesn't expand and wipe us out in ~5 billion years, you might be right? Why is it ok to call YHWH, Jehover, becaue it's a nice personal name, and not a title, and then keep using Jesus, Christ, and Christian? Um Jesus is his personal name and many in his time were also named Jesus which is why he is called Jesus the Christ. Christ means "savior" basicly so calling him Jesus Christ signifies believing that the Jesus that live 2 thousand years ago will fulfill his fathers promise to save us from our suffering and ultimate from death itself "may? a) how would you know, b) how would you know you backed the right spirit that isn't lying? c) YHWH has been pretty quiet for a while now if you exclude those pesky Muslims who co-opted the Jewish god in the same way Christians did. d) why are gods now 'gods'? If they're not real gods, why call them that? If YHWH is the God of gods, then it follows that, well, trickster god hooooo!" i'd careful using God name so lightly, He doesn't take those who insult Him lightly you know and i already called those are false 'gods' in other words they're nothing compared to Jehovah akin to dirt are to us humans in fact there probably called 'gods' because as spirits they are much stronger then us humans in fact they can probably kill at least over a hundred thousand soldiers in less than a night and yes they are still dirt compared to the Almighty God. and why do you say that is He not proclaiming the good news of His kingdom through 8 million witnesses all over the world in fact were talking about Him right now "Considering neither one of us is arguing that our divergent answers are a who, but rather a what, that's an odd question.Yes. Selective pressures design many things, I guess you could say. I'm using the word 'design' without 'intent' attached, tho', which I suspect is where we differ wildly." what do you mean "a what" will you honestly accredit the feats of engineering called DNA to a thing that can't think? only someone with intelligence can design something. out of a design you can always see the qualities of the designer. in this same way DNA shows the wisdom of it's designer. can you imagine it 1 gram of dry dna can contain more information than 1 billion cd's that is about 700MB*1.000.000.000=700.000.000.000MB that about 700 petabytes and netflix supposedly has around 3 petabytes of master copies in videos so all those full HD video's in a single gram of DNA can you honestly say that something that can't even think "designed" this? Yup, sure have. Using UV filters and what not, its a rather facinating thing to look at. Even a welders mask will let you do it for a short period rather risk free. "Surely we'd Die"? On one hand I have religious preachers telling me god is all powerful then when they hit a wall they defend it by adding a nice little asterisk of oh but he can't help but kill us if we see him. If we as man, can develop a simple technology to look at the thing keeping our solar system alive, directly, then surely "He" can develop a simple technology or filter to let us see him. Any other solution is like saying "There are shadows so there must be sun" but when you turn around its a lamp and you're indoors. Write us a fucking letter in the clouds or some shit then! I'M A MORTAL AND IM SOLVING THIS! Why is this 'god' having such a hard time convincing EVERYONE via a simple communiqué? He never said he'd kill us from logical standpoint is must be from all the power that energy he has(much much more then the sun) that we'd die. he is all powerful you know never underestimate that word as for a filter He has done so in the past namely to Moses. Moses back then only saw a glimpse of His back and yet when Moses returned he was shining. and why He doesn't convince everyone via communication? in Moses time (yes once again) He communicated directly with the entire nation of Israel and as we can read the nation was so afraid by the accompanying thunder and lightning than they requested Moses that only He communicate directly with God in other words if He were to do it directly everyone will serve Him out of fear not out of love that we believe in Him is important factor if He promises we will live forever on earth then we live since He is all powerful He can also maintain the sun so it doesn't burn out and for prove it not "just a matter of believing" but He has also given prove through His many creations here on earth as He tells us via the bible:"For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable." It doesn't. God didn't send Adam and Eve to Hell. I believe people started going to Hell at around the time people started going to Heaven. Of course I don't call my father "man". That is because there are many men. There is only one true god. There is no need to call God "Jehovah". God answers prayers without people calling him "Jehovah". How could you possibly know "if you call Him by His name will definitely bring you closer to Him"? "the chruch did participate in war in the past"? Why do you say Jehovah's Witnesses is one religion and the Christian religions are one religion? because God is righteous he warns us of punishment before giving them if the punishment for Adam and Eve is "going to Hell" why did he only warn them of "dying" while there is indeed only one true God, there are many false gods. did you know? the bible also speaks of another god whose it calls "the god of this system of things"? the bible also says in romans 10:13:'For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.”' or as some translation may say 'For “everyone who calls on the name of LORD will be saved.”' but i thinks we can all agree that neither Lord nor God are names since they are both titles as how i know that by calling Him by his name brings me closer? personal expericience, logic and the fact that even Jesus called Him by His name and who has a stronger bond with Jehovah than His firstborn son? i did not say "Jehovah's Witnesses and Christianity are two different religions" i said that Christians should not participate in war as we're taught by Jesus Christ and in the past the Church itself did so. in other other words we have to invesitate which Church truly teaching what Jesus taught us by studying the bible As I said before: "God didn't send Adam and Eve to Hell". Of course "neither Lord nor God are names since they are both titles". I don't know why you mentioned that. "as how i know that by calling Him by his name brings me closer? personal expericience, logic and the fact that even Jesus called Him by His name" Elaborate on this "personal [experience]". Christ did not use God's name in the prayer he taught us, The Lord's Prayer. Are you saying Christ did not pray right? what is the first he mention in his prayer? He literally said "Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified." if we never used God name how will it be sanctified? furthermore he mentioned it first showing how important sanctifying God's name is with personal experience i'd say that every time i called His name in prayer i actually feel relieved and i actually feel like i can ask him anything. and sorry i did not read your comment correctly my question should be "if Adam and Eve was not send to Hell then why would He sent their decendants to Hell?" as romans states we only die because of Adam why would we be punished more harshly? only because people believe in Hell? and mentioned lord and god being titles because if need to call on His name to be saved not His titles.
  6. Fuseteam

    God, space and time

    Yup, sure have. Using UV filters and what not, its a rather facinating thing to look at. Even a welders mask will let you do it for a short period rather risk free. "Surely we'd Die"? On one hand I have religious preachers telling me god is all powerful then when they hit a wall they defend it by adding a nice little asterisk of oh but he can't help but kill us if we see him. If we as man, can develop a simple technology to look at the thing keeping our solar system alive, directly, then surely "He" can develop a simple technology or filter to let us see him. Any other solution is like saying "There are shadows so there must be sun" but when you turn around its a lamp and you're indoors. Write us a fucking letter in the clouds or some shit then! I'M A MORTAL AND IM SOLVING THIS! Why is this 'god' having such a hard time convincing EVERYONE via a simple communiqué? He never said he'd kill us from logical standpoint is must be from all the power that energy he has(much much more then the sun) that we'd die. he is all powerful you know never underestimate that word as for a filter He has done so in the past namely to Moses. Moses back then only saw a glimpse of His back and yet when Moses returned he was shining. and why He doesn't convince everyone via communication? in Moses time (yes once again) He communicated directly with the entire nation of Israel and as we can read the nation was so afraid by the accompanying thunder and lightning than they requested Moses that only He communicate directly with God in other words if He were to do it directly everyone will serve Him out of fear not out of love that we believe in Him is important factor if He promises we will live forever on earth then we live since He is all powerful He can also maintain the sun so it doesn't burn out and for prove it not "just a matter of believing" but He has also given prove through His many creations here on earth as He tells us via the bible:"For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable." It doesn't. God didn't send Adam and Eve to Hell. I believe people started going to Hell at around the time people started going to Heaven. Of course I don't call my father "man". That is because there are many men. There is only one true god. There is no need to call God "Jehovah". God answers prayers without people calling him "Jehovah". How could you possibly know "if you call Him by His name will definitely bring you closer to Him"? "the chruch did participate in war in the past"? Why do you say Jehovah's Witnesses is one religion and the Christian religions are one religion? because God is righteous he warns us of punishment before giving them if the punishment for Adam and Eve is "going to Hell" why did he only warn them of "dying" while there is indeed only one true God, there are many false gods. did you know? the bible also speaks of another god whose it calls "the god of this system of things"? the bible also says in romans 10:13:'For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.”' or as some translation may say 'For “everyone who calls on the name of LORD will be saved.”' but i thinks we can all agree that neither Lord nor God are names since they are both titles as how i know that by calling Him by his name brings me closer? personal expericience, logic and the fact that even Jesus called Him by His name and who has a stronger bond with Jehovah than His firstborn son? i did not say "Jehovah's Witnesses and Christianity are two different religions" i said that Christians should not participate in war as we're taught by Jesus Christ and in the past the Church itself did so. in other other words we have to invesitate which Church truly teaching what Jesus taught us by studying the bible what do you mean by this? And yet, he had enough time to start a family. To be honest, I think your cognitive dissonance is much too strong to be convinced by others. You need to be honest with yourself and actually try and see things objectively. I'll let you do your research, but I suspect it involves Googling for theist counter arguments rather than actually learning how things work. Hopefully someone else steps in. I really don't have the time to do this ad nauseam. i believe that since God told Adam and Eve to fill the earth with humans that he allowed them to start a family for everything he says eventually came or will come true So he lied about eating the fruit causing death. We're done. did He? did he not die? i would like you to introduce him to me if you ever meet him? but seriously Adam died not only because he disobeyed God but also because by eating of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil that humans have the right to say what is good and what is evil and be can all see what happened. as a side note the things many people acknowledge as good can be found being acknowledge as so in the bible and the things many people acknowledge as evil or bad or even gross can be found being acknowledge as so in the bible
  7. Fuseteam

    God, space and time

    And yet, he had enough time to start a family. To be honest, I think your cognitive dissonance is much too strong to be convinced by others. You need to be honest with yourself and actually try and see things objectively. I'll let you do your research, but I suspect it involves Googling for theist counter arguments rather than actually learning how things work. Hopefully someone else steps in. I really don't have the time to do this ad nauseam. i believe that since God told Adam and Eve to fill the earth with humans that he allowed them to start a family for everything he says eventually came or will come true i think this cognitive dissonance can also be applied to you (theist<->no logic or reason and not scientific) as for me i'm actually trying to reason logically and scientifically with you even though you throw those comments aside for example i copied and pasted the justification of 4-legged insects and the smallest seed from the rational wiki link you gave me and yet you say those statements are wrong.......... in case you don't know with research i mean verifying with these are really errors as the bible is translated from ancient languages and the original words usually have a broader meaning...... again might be you own dissonance as well theist->googles theist counter arguments instead of research to start off i now believe the value of pi as found in the bible is indeed not 100% accurate in fact the error in measurement appears to be a bit more than 1/30*100%=3.3333333333333333333333333% which is approximately 1 cubit or in more familiar terms 1 cubit being approximately 44.5 cm than 30 cubits is 1335 cm the error then being once again 44.5/1335*100%=3.3333333333333333% so more easier said an 44.5 cm error on 1.3 m circle And that's exactly what the Creator's son taught us:“All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must do to them. This, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean" the law being the law Moses gave them and the prophets being well the prophets that have live earlier yes there appears to be an 3.33333333333333% error on the value of pi but does that really make the bible an less reliable book in fact through the bible God promises us that He will lead us to perfection in the future isn't that at least assuring? I'm a chef. I don't look like the food I create. I don't see why this fixation that deities are big balls of light. I've seen bodies burn. When not burning, they're still perfectly visible. This 'energy = light' thing also doesn't make sense. I'd suggest genetics and pseudo-random selection but I suspect you're not going to agree with me on what those are or how they work. When I get bored and play with puzzles, I don't trace my way out of a maze and think that God made the maze super amazing. I make a bunch of wrong turns and appreciate the complexity that was designed into things, but now I'm starting to suspect you'll think that mazes and universes are both creations of one among many gods, so let's go there: who created the other gods and what did they create to be called gods? Who is responsible for modern bananas? Do you know many psychopaths? Or have you read about them? It doesn't sound like you are really trying to think about the reasons someone may lie. If the Bible is written by a god, then the current outcome is the desired outcome if that god is successful. Yes? That is as true as if the god is a liar or honest. That seems to be the common thread of reasoning, when interpreting everything as 'God did it', correct? while the food doesn't look like you one can learn your tastes from the food you make i never said deities as balls of light, i simple said that like you are much more then the food you make the creator of all these balls of light is much more then these balls of burning gas and light=energy is an established scientific fact yes it is indeed genetics all feat of engineering in nature is indeed through genetics in fact genetics itself is an engineering feat did you know? 1 gram dry DNA can contain more information than 1 billion yes 1.000.000.000 cds ​who then is responsible for this feat of engineering? well like you say "complexity design into things" you still say its design do you not? in fact we can't say that mazes and puzzle just magically appears right someone, in this case a human, create this puzzle or maze right? as for many "gods" they may actually be spirits that try to mislead us away from the true God how exactly they do this and how they managed to get manhy humans to call them gods i don't know what i do know is that they never created anything for them to be called "gods" the only one who created everything is the true God himself
  8. Fuseteam

    God, space and time

    Yes, that's what I wrote. And we're primates... "For the disease, not the fly that spreads it by using us as its exclusive host (i.e. the link I provided)." "Yes, that's what I wrote." what did you write? and again not all primates are humans monkey are primates too..... for the consistency link the first one can be explained using an later verse "a thousand years are like a day" in other words Adam did not live to be day old yes a day can mean an period in time in the bible as it is also used as "his days are xxx years" the earth was not created in 6 days either i'm saying 6000 years either since an other text reads "a day for a year" an no i even less implying 6 years all that is known is that the were 6 periods and man appeared during the 6 period you can try to change my mind about it's legimacy while i try to prove it like i said i should also research what you supplied me
  9. Fuseteam

    God, space and time

    The fact that they're wrong? BTW, something written ages ago, but requires hindsight to interpret, does not have predictive power. Heck, the bible itself isn't consistent about its predictions: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html those two are copy pasted from your link that why i put them in quotes, so you're saying that your link contains false information? than how do you suppose we see them fulfilled? if someone more experience say something you don't understand about what you will experience you'll require hindsight to interpret that, no? i'll read you consistency link in the meantime For the disease, not the fly that spreads it by using us as its exclusive host (i.e. the link I provided). you do realize " O. volvulus" is the parasite not the disease, the disease is called Onchocerciasis and the link i provided stated "the parasite only lives in primates" the link i provided talks about the disease while the link you provided talk about the parasite either one can be right or wrong it needs more research again do you see what i mean with research?
  10. Fuseteam

    God, space and time

    You should read further if you're not sure. "Humans are the only definitive host for O. volvulus." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onchocerca_volvulus it says primates not humans in this link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onchocerciasis while we all are primates not all primates are human see what i mean with research, not being sure means i will have to take my time to read and reference books about it
  11. Fuseteam

    God, space and time

    Wouldn't that violate God's omnibenevolence, because he chooses to allow people to suffer? Why do we morn after natural disasters, illness, and car crashes? Shouldn't we instead be celebrating death if your beliefs hold true? Why, when admiring all of God's creations, do we not make a particular point of praising Onchocerca volvulu, and complimenting the design of such a creature that can only exist by rendering the Children living on the bank of the West Nile blind over the course of many agonising months? actually it does not since He is looking at the bigger picture He promised that once He has intervened for the last time we will live forever here on earth as he intended (forever-6000years=forever[don't know how to make infinity sign on keyboard])so in the big picture it is a rimple this also explains why we morn: we were not created to suffer or die. if not mistaken that's a parasite this means that it ended up on the wrong place causing blindness i.e the fly biting us i do not know its effect on animals..... what is not 100% accurate about at least those two statements? i simply said i have to research those errors not twist the meaning! how can you know its not a prediction, when it was obviously written so long ago?further more what about the final point mentioned?
  12. Fuseteam

    God, space and time

    even if an house is one fire you standing at distance can feel the heath it emits, heck we here on earth are warmed up by the sun which is 150.000.000 kilometers away furthermore if you have to squint to look at this same sun what do you think you would need to do to look at the being that not only created the sun but the entire universe? in others words a being that has more energy and power then the entire universe do honestly believe that we could see Him and live? actually then how about your own analogy if human are capable of such big feats of engineering, then what is responsible for the engineering feat that can be found in nature. Did you know there is a subject called biomimicry? all they really do in that subject is learning engineering tricks from nature and applying them many creature in nature can be consider big engineering feat on their own birds that can fly great distances with the least amount of energy the owls can even fly silently mammals that run faster than a car the human body that is capable of strengthening itself as well as repair minor damages a certain flower if store its seed using the golden angle(if i'm not mistaken it is the sunflower) and many more who or what is responsible for all these? Your video response is chock full of fallacy. I quote: "By contrast, the Bible says that it is the word of god that cannot lie" Which still doesn't explain how you can know the bible isn't authored by a lying god (and that's being very very generous, since you still can't presume there is a god in the first place). But then it gets worse. It dictates criteria that the bible needs to meet to be "authored by god", without explaining how they could possibly know that. And it gets even worse, because it continues to use clever wording to meet this arbitrary criteria, while leaving out the clear contradictions. The bible has never been 100% accurate, not even close. There's a bunch of examples: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors So by that video's very own criteria the bible is not the word of any god. Are you willing to concede that point? i would have research these scientific to give an proper answer for a start the section about anatomy of insects and smallest give an answer to being accurate does it not? and i quote "One issue with this excuse is the way in which that the Bible first discusses insects which have four legs and wings that walk on the earth before then going on to discuss those with four legs and listing the locust, cricket & grasshopper amongst these. Ergo the previous mention of four legs is not covered by the case from "hopping hindlimbs" which are then discussed separately" refering to the excuse that it not accurate one insect anatomy "This is another old saw which argues that Jesus was wrong because there are smaller seeds in existence, like the orchid. But the Greek word here is mikros, which defines thusly: 398. mikros, mik-ros'; includ. the comp. mikroteros, mik-rot'-er-os; appar. a prim. word; small (in size, quantity, number or (fig.) dignity):--least, less, little, small. So, it is also used in Luke 9:48 - And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great. Obviously, Jesus did not mean here that he who was smallest in size would be greatest! So we suggest that the mustard seed description is not an evaluation of size at all (or exclusively), but an evaluation of worth - which is a matter of personal judgment that is quite acceptable and cannot be charged as erroneous." it should be noted that the public he was talking to, many members of this public were farmers. Jesus is known to use parabals that simple to understand by his intended public. furthermore there are other points it also gives for one why would one think that the author is lying when the predictions it made actually happened? it predicted that babylon would never be rebuilt and babylon is up till now never rebuilt as mentioned in the video or will you also stamp that being coincidence? remember babylon was destroyed long before Jesus live so more then 2000 years ago it was in a good strategical location protected by rivers and everything and yet to this day nobody even tried to rebuilt it on a another note do you really believe a lying would mention in his word how his people were defeated on many occasions i think a lying god would only mention how his people won like many other ancient books do. or the fact that despite a really harsh opposition the bible, yet the bible not only survived but instead became the book almost everybody at least owns it is even the most translated book in the world with more than 2000 languages being available Wouldn't that violate God's omnibenevolence, because he chooses to allow people to suffer? Why do we morn after natural disasters, illness, and car crashes? Shouldn't we instead be celebrating death if your beliefs hold true? Why, when admiring all of God's creations, do we not make a particular point of praising Onchocerca volvulu, and complimenting the design of such a creature that can only exist by rendering the Children living on the bank of the West Nile blind over the course of many agonising months?
  13. Fuseteam

    God, space and time

    I'm not calling you "a witness for Jehovah". I don't think you know "the version of Christiany i'm following is the only one that never participated in war". Have you really checked every other "version of [Christianity]"? Besides: church members can participate in war without the approval of their church which doesn't mean their church "participated in war". How about "mate"? I never call my father by his name. That doesn't mean I don't have a strong bond with him. That does not prove Hell does not exist. it does if you read the bible anytime God brings punishment of people He warns them first. He warned the people living before the flood of the flood as we can understand from Paul's letter to the Hebrews, He warned the people of sodom and gomorra as seen in genesis through Lot and many more. in the same way He warned Adam saying he would die. He did not warned Adam of going to Hell. as for not calling your father by his name is normal, but your certainly not calling him "man" either right? calling Jehovah "God" is certainly not wrong but the bible also talks of other "gods" so if you call Him by His name will definitely bring you closer to Him. Evenmore if He practically us to call Him by His name and if do a little research you'll find that the chruch did participate in war in the past, in dutch they called those "kruis tochten" not sure how they called them in english, while Jesus himself did not teach us to do so that what i am, i witness of Jehovah by speaking of Him and His name as a side note i'm not dutch, my language is Dutch Fuseteam - interesting theories about the Dalai Lama, Zen and Buddhism in general but pretty much dead wrong. Interesting story about King Solomon though you didn't answer the question really. I know a few JWs. It makes me sad to see the multiple levels of bullshit that is stacked on top of what would be normally nice and productive people. Still, like I said, believe what you want so long as it's not hurting anybody I guess. It's not up to me or anyone else to tell you how to live and what you need to be happy even if that means it needs to be lived under a delusion. /leaves thread. sad to see you leave only because you realize i'm witness for jehovah instead of asking questions the story of king solomon shows that the bible does better human existence since though not complete solomon at least had the first five books of the bible and like i said i'm not familiar with buddism, or any of the ones you mentioned so feel free to correct anything or everything i said that is wrong where was i circular?
  14. Well @ 1.75Mbps down you are on a slow line. That's why the SNR and attenuation from the modem are handy as they can indicate a possible line fault. So other options. If you can beg or borrow another DSL modem connect it up, log in to the interface and check DSL sync. Should not need your ADSL account info for this to happen. Also pick up the phone, dial one or two digits to silence the dial tone and listen for noise. Anything greater than a bit of low background noise and you definitely have a line fault. You report this to your phone service provider (the one who sends you the phone bill) as a voice fault. Do not mention ADSL at all, you are just reporting a voice fault. 99 times out of 100 fixing a voice fault will also fix any ADSL faults. actually as i live in an area where copper wire is used and 2Mbps being offered as maximum speed for my pakket i don't think it will go any higher......
  15. Fuseteam

    God, space and time

    Analogy fail, sorry. I have locked into the sun on multiple occasions over the years. I can still see. Implications are that one is able to look briefly at God, and/or one just has to look from a distance - other, brighter stars than Sol are fine to look into from outside their systems. note the wikipedia only talks about recent history and yes i'm wrong about the columbus thing thanks for correcting me as stated in rationwiki "Very early Egyptian and other Middle-Eastern civilisations portrayed the Earth as flat land suspended in an ocean, and with a "roof" of some kind over it." and "Ancient Chinese astronomy makes no mention of any roundness of the Earth, indeed some depictions made it square." and you may have locked on the sun on multiple occasion but i doubt you looked directly at it maybe even squinted to look at it i don't know and while brighter stars are fine to look at from outside their starsystems i merely used this to illustrate how much larger, brighter and glorious God must be to able to create these beautiful bright stars in fact He Himself stated "You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.". this easier to understand if you consider that the created not only the stars but the entire universe, of which we have yet to find the boundaries. How can you possibly know that? I am going by what the Bible says and what makes sense to me.yes i can prove it using the bible itself to start it off in Eden when God warned our ancestors of not what will happen of they disobey Him, what did he warn them of? Hell or simply dying? Not sure how that is relevant. Even if it was, you can't be sure that the bible isn't inspired by a lier, because, well, it can lie about not lying. it is relevant because he warned them that if they disobey him they would die. He never said they'd go to hell. maybe to this video may be helpful to the question "how can we be sure the bible is true":http://tv.jw.org/#video/VODBible/docid-502015752_1_VIDEO
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