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    AMD Zen

    Yea over the next few days I would like to make sure it is totally stable with these timings. I did a quick couple of runs on the below comparing my previous best scores to these timings. Im super curious of what the difference would be from 3200 stock ram vs 3733 would be. TimeSpy: Best vs Previous Best, CPU +6% https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/8030996/spy/7829278 FireStrike: Best to Previous Best, Physics +.03% .. Combined +5.4% https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/20068095/fs/19873963 It seems to have helped my graphics scores a bit too or possibly driver updates played a part. Also, I have updated my chipset drives that came out a few days ago. Oh and the ryzen tool says not supported.
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    AMD Zen

    @Dasa I think this will be good enough and even with the side panel off you reall do not see it much. Also, thanks for letting me know about the new ram calculator. I was trying to manually do this before and was just getting boot loops. Using the tool and setting to fast timings I was able to get down to 65ns latency! Im still running thru the array of bench/stress tests now. I still cannot get 3800mhz to post with 1:1 and think it might just be a chip limitation. Im close to when I had my 2600x in latency speeds. Ive spent soo much time tweaking ram, Ive had no luck with overclocking the processor. But it has been fun with ram. Im not sure what tool to use to get the full timings that I have as the older asrock tool dosent work with ryzen 2 now.
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    AMD Zen

    Same settings, with and without the dimm cooler... I wanted to remove it because it is so darn loud and annoying sound pitch, but might put it back in since my temps on the dimms are much much higher without it. With the ram cooler, even after 4hrs of aida, it was a high of 29c on both dimms, without and in 15mins on aida, it hits 42/40c on them. Also, in 15mins, MB and CPU temps higher even with turbo fan settings it will not compensate for the removal of fan dimm cooler. Edit: and with gaming it gets into the low 50c and locked up... Dam I guess I need to put that back in. It really helps for stability keeping the temps low, first time it has locked with 3733mhz. --- Edit: And the world is much more silent now... a bit of velcro and foam on the one side for my janky fix Threw some foam in the empty spots in my bays near the pump too. Temps are now 32 and 30c with the foam vs 29c on both without. But much better than the 42 and 40c without the dimm fan. Edit: I tried 2 different sticks of ram for fun. My rgb 3466 would not post passed 3466, it did give decent latency considering it would not go lower than 16 on the timing of 72ns.. and the hynix would not post passed 3200, didnt bother running test since I could not get it to go higher than 3200. I do seem some people have got better latency than I can get with higher timings at the same bandwidth. There is another bios update coming soon supposedly.
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    The most special people

    Im always in the box and rarely come down from there Congrats to all!
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    AMD Zen

    https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-3000-turbo-boost-frequency-analysis,6253.html Im not sure about ^ if this is everyone, but all my cores do go up to the max boost clock of 4400mhz but not at the same time with light loads. It is interesting that they have different experience but they even used a decent cooler to try to get the single thread core up. Running games like bfv all my cores are over 4250+ and more like 4300mhz+ but depends on the map. Maybe it has to do with x470 vs x570.
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    AMD Zen

    true that. some of the issues I have been facing with the new and old bios is that if you change settings in AMD Overclocking section within the bios, it retains even if you do a cmos reset. This has bit me more than once, thank goodness Asus has the flashback feature but it is long process. Even after getting back into the bios, you need to redo your ram timings, volts and fan settings. Ive found that the new bios I can set 3733mhz with 1867 infinity right off now were before I had to do steps of 300mhz. When I mess with lcc, it really does not like that (4 bios flashback later with OC I gave up). Still does not like to do 1900 Infinity. The cores seem to OC to 4300mhz all core. Ive only done small runs with this setting so far. 4400mhz OC black screened the 2 times I tried it with up to 1.45v. I did try 4400 and 4300mhz on CCX 0 and 1 but that didnt pass either. When I run 4300mhz all core, my scores and gaming is actually worse since I can boost higher than 4300mhz in games on a few cores quite often. BFV Im usually under 62c so it seems to boost quite well by itself. Also, with the all core boost, mine never downclocks when there is no tasks, always 4300mhz... I like it to throttle down when not in use and then I also have 1.4125v (with load it is around ~1.38v), as mentioned llc is not stable for me so I have to set higher, but idle it is 1.4125v. Seems like the bios is getting a bit better each time. I was only able to OC 4200mhz before so something they done has helped. I really like playing with the ram timings but still locks up if I change certain things... With the new bios Im going to revisit 1:2 ratio with high bandwidth. I have been running OC with 3733mhz ram so I might need to revisit OC with ram at say 3200mhz setting just rule it out too. 3733mhz with 1:1 Infinity 800%+:
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    AMD Zen

    Really goes to show how good the 6700k is at gaming. It still does as good or better in many game tests. That user did a good job comparing. Looks like the 6700k still goes for a fair bit of money, 3600x seems closer priced and would be probably a better choice if buying new. But still, 6700k is still mean gaming chip. 3600 or 3600x would be nice if you did other tasks too. Found the below:
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    AMD Zen

    The 3700x looks faster in all tests over the 2700x no matter the ram speed? -- So, that CCX tool.. Several have found that it could kill your cpu. 1usmus and Stilt have been warning people not to use it. I was looking up what people were getting with it and then saw those posts. Still going to play with OC to see what I can get but will probably use Master for now or bios. -- @Jeruselem That tiny thing is amazing! I want one
  9. Those tube look amazing! Looks like a fun build! What card and pump is that using?
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    AMD Zen

    I do see Asus just released another bios, I hope it is a bit better than the current. It would be great if I could get 1 CCX with high OC even if the other is left at stock or slower. Looks like they added voltage to the current CCX tool: https://www.techpowerup.com/257599/ccx-overclocking-tool-for-amd-cpus-updated-with-new-features
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    AMD Zen

    Good read further down, basically both Intel and AMD have been doing a better job at binning chips and Silicon Lottery even said it might be the beginning of the end for them. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/silicon-lottery-binned-ryzen-3000,40010.html -- Personally, I have had little success so far with OC and will probably wait a few revs of bios before trying more. PBO with auto overclocking and +200 gave me only 25-50mhz more. But at idle it runs in the low 50's and up to 76c when gaming for a few hours (usually under 73c). With stock I still get around 4250 to 4300mhz gaming but idle is about 38 to 43c and top temp after hours of gaming is 67c. 67c is only a sec, mostly it is around 56 to 61c. Manual OC is just funky, not sure if there is a point, but Ram and Infinity seem to have been really beneficial. If I was to be completely honest, I bet the 9900KF is a bit more fun to play with since it is suppose to have dropped in price recently and would OC Im sure.
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    Sound card died again

    Creative sound makes a ton of internal and external(USB) devices for sound if you are not having luck with Asus. Years back I was going to get an Asus Xonar but read the drivers were really bad and not updated much. If you plan to upgrade your motherboard and cpu soon, most have excellent onboard. Some sound cards seem somewhat as expensive as a new motherboard is the only reason I mention. If not, maybe the BlasterX G5 looks good but I have no experience with it and now use onboard.
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    AMD Zen

    Looks like I can run 3733mhz with 1867mhz Infinity with 14-14-14-36 timings. This gives me close to what they got in latency with 68.2. (Strange, in their chart they have better latency at higher timings with 3733) I've ran 2hrs of p95 with focus on memory, Ill run the other tools this weekend. I cannot seem to boot 3800 even with lower Infinity, Im probably best off with this as even though the latency only improved a little bit, the read and copy are up. After I stress these timings, Ill start trying to see what kind of OC, if any, I can get... Probably go with the per CCX way.
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    Navi Confirmed: 2019

    This funny: https://www.techradar.com/amp/news/amd-admits-its-radeon-rx-5700-series-price-cuts-were-a-trap-for-nvidia @SceptreCore I dont think that guy took a single breathe in that video lol.... I see another side upgrade if this thing release and I can break even
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    AMD Zen

    Great review, it is kinda what I was doing and trying to chart. I tried 3466 with 14c timing and latency was worse (71.2) than 16c @ 3733 (69). I tried to boot 3800 with 1900 infinity @ 16c but hung (I might try 3800 with 1867 infinity).... Now I have to cmos reset and will take several reboots to get back up to 3733 due to the 300mhz jump limit. Looking at that chart, my latency could improve with more aggressive sub timings with 3733 but 3900x might have a bit better latency than the 3700x. Still have not got around to OC the cores yet, dimm tweaks have been fun and testing it out first. Edit: I read that the infinity should be half of what you set your ram at, but that looks to be for over 3800.... So, I have a lot more tests to do with (opps <edit meant 1:2)
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    AMD Zen

    Yea, I have been setting boot v to match my dimm v, that was an issue too I forgot to mention. Currently, 3733 (Infinity 1867) with 16c @ 1.5v is stable with 1hr of p95. Still need to test with other tools. Temps get up to 65c but usually are under 60c. Im seeing the core after an hour at all core of 4250 to 4275mhz, nearly flat but bumps up, not down to 4275. If 3733 is truly stable Ill probably go ahead and start trying to OC the chip or try lower timings and/or less volts. That dimm cooler I have really pumps a lot of air over the dimms and the socket, but is somewhat annoying in the tone/pitch it has. With the case sides off, my temps are worse for the motherboard and cpu, so the airflow in the case must be decent. Running my pump at 1200rpm (1940rpm is the highest), rad fans at 1000rpm (1300rpm is the highest) and only get slight peak of 65c for just a sec. Wish Afterburner had a monitor for cpu temp like they did for 2000 series, Im sure it is coming... So far pretty happy with this chip, especially seeing reviews on the 3800x, that money saved on 3700x over the 3900x bought me a nvme and dimm cooler with money left over still lol. Now looking back at my best latency with 2600x, Im not that far off with the 3700x (64.7 vs 69). Im hoping to be able to drop that some more with tighter timings. The write will never be close, but if I can get latency near 65, that would be great. 2600x @ 3466mhz 14c: https://ibb.co/vDH1Rzy
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    AMD Zen

    Some tests just did, still not complete but can see how if not setting the infinity to half of ram speed you see it drop. I wonder if that is the issue... I was seeing it improve with auto when upping the bandwidth so never changed it got till 3466 and latency jumped way up to 83.5. Setting Infinity to 1733 brought it down to 72ns in Aida(running beta now and seems to work now). I have to stay under 300mhz up or down when changing the bandwidth or I get endless reboots which then have to cmos reset. Now that I know that I can finally bench some. Still loading stuff when I can. Not sure if any of this is stable, just ran for comparison. I know before I could run really tight timings with 3466, might be stable at higher bandwidth and voltage tweaks with this cpu, I hope lol Actually cell is wrong, MaxxMem2 not Memtest but it is weird how the latency is all close or within error. TimeSpy, 2866 vs 3733 same timings: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/7791985/spy/7781030 FireStrike, 3733: https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19873963
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    AMD Zen

    7min mark in the above. Explains the low write.
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    AMD Zen

    For sure seems that way. I read new ones possibly next week. Gave aida64 a go but it give a message that cpu not fully supported, does not finish or do the L3 cache section but the memory with these crap timings is below. It will not even show the timings in the bench tool in aida: Read: 38834 Write: 21283 Copy: 36702 Latency: 85.5 Looks bad but running very loose. Will keep the same timings and try to move up the bandwidth for some scaling and then try to move the timings down. Probably need to wait for when the new bios come out for this, very picky right now.
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    AMD Zen

    Timespy the 2nd run, and 1st run of FS, have been out and haven't got to play around with it much but finally running good. I reinstalled windows and got another larger nvme XPG 8200pro installled. My other drive seemed dead... It would sometimes not boot to even before the bios update but that was rare, guess the bios update was the trigger to end its life. Still installing tools, had some weird bios issues. Like I could not set higher than 2400 because from what I read you have to go up no more the 300mhz for the dimms at a time on this bios boot loop. I would have to do a cmos reset if I set it too high in a jump... Still testing that, running really slow timings right now. 2666mhz at 16-16-16-34 T1. Good news, at least from what others seem to have issues with, is this is boosting really well at the rated clocks of 4400mhz often. During TimeSpy it would have all cores running at 4325mhz during the GPU tests, nearly flat but at times dip to 4300 but up to 4375 too (rarer), 4350 was hit about as much as 4300 it seems. The CPU test would stay at 4200, with 25 dip up or down but nearly flat at 4200mhz. FS was similar but with plus 25-50mhz, so gpu test would give 4350-4375 and cpu test would be around 4250mhz. More test will be ran in the new week and hoping there is another bios soon, the ram stuff is just not the greatest right now. Im going to try to bump it up with that 300mhz or less and see what timing will stick. I installed a dimm dual fan cooler from gskill. Kinda annoying with the sides off. While I was at it, I removed the heatsink on the gpu and threw new tim on there... Seems the same though, maybe a few degrees but was fun So these are literally just the 1st few run results below, no tweaks... Temps usually were in the 50c range, highest Ive seen with Master is 65c so far. Still have not ran p95, aida64, etc.. yet. TimeSpy, low dimm settings, only 2nd run: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/6510932/spy/7781099 FS: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/19865485/fs/19716383 Rig, wires and stuff still shuffled about some still: GPU:
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    AMD Zen

    I just got it! Ran into an issue... Upgraded bios with the 2600x still in and could not get it to run windows. Put the 3700x in and same issue. Tried to run one Rev down, still not able to load window. Spent a few hours with ram and different bios settings. I think my OS drive is dead. I have some spinners I can test out with. But won't have much time to work on it next few days. Possibly I can try my other sticks of ram too. I'll start another thread so I don't hijack this one.
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    AMD Zen

    https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ryzen-3000-asus-opens-up-pcie-4-support-for-selected-x470-and-b450-boards.html Interesting...
  23. Well I hope it is true and have some more price wars
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    Navi Confirmed: 2019

    Both seem like good cards. Joker did a good review.
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    AMD Zen

    Geez that 3600 is stout... Beating the 2700x in nearly every gaming test, sure the min frames were a bit better on the 2700x but not by much at all. I probably could have gone with the 3600... the price is crazy good. Edit: This is interesting, well at least to me, b350 vs x570 with water vs air: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-3900x-tested-on-cheap-b350-motherboard/2.html I bought one of those ram cooling kits last week and should be here soon, I might rig something over the cpu too even though I am on water, to increase the airflow around the vrms and socket. The vrms on my board are a bit overkill and should not have any issues but it might be fun to setup something anyway.
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