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    AMD Zen

    Good compare of x470 vs x570 power draw with 2700x/3700x: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/294596-amds-x570-chipset-draws-so-much-power-its-warping-cpu-comparisons
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    AMD Zen

    Besides not being able to OC that great, all in all I feel like this is a great launch. There is always too much hype, especially when people talk about it for 8 months before launch but 10-15% IPC uplift is pretty amazing when we were expecting ~8% originally. Comparing 3700x to the 2700x that is now only a year old, we see cpu tests up 15% and gaming up 7-12% @ 1080p, with the same launch price. With any res higher than 1080p, all CPU's perform the exact same or within 2%. I dont see why anyone would want to spend 33% more over the 3700x for the 9900k if you get near the same performance on productivity, better power, and if you are looking at cpu's in the range, you will probably be not gaming at 1080p. Even if gaming at 1080p, it is only 8% average difference, not sure 8% is worth 30+% more. Theres great other options for less that perform near the same @ 1080p, like the 9400f, 8600k or 8400, but have less cores and productivity will be down (3600 will be interesting here too once we have a few more reviews like GN did). Then the 3900x at the same price of 9900k that will crush it on the productivity side of things, but near the same gaming performance as the 3700x. It's like if price matters most, 3700x is a great buy but if you need more cores/threads, its hard to deny 3900x with what it brings. Most Intel cpu's cannot match the 3900x and even those above the 9900k. But I think some people will look at 720p and 1080p gaming tests and draw conclusions. It will be interesting to see what the 3800x will bring, it might be dead on arrival? Based off of seeing what the 3900x and 3700x is doing. Slotting in between those two is going to be a tough sell as there can only be a few percent better than the 3700x really. If you are building a new pc, Ryzen has to be considered as those savings could be used for other things like a drive, ram or mb. Most AM4 mb allow to upgrade as new cpu's are released too. @Mr.Twinkie I would update the drivers for chipset and also run some tests on your ram. The memory controller can be very picky and you might have better results with lower settings like 2933 vs 3200 or something.
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    AMD Zen

    I like that pclab link. Really anything above 1080p it will be even closer. I would love to save any amount with a sku without the HSF, even if it is only 10. These do seem decent but having HSF still is nice for those upgrading really old system and these have RGB lol I do find it interesting that the 3700x is so close in gaming against the 3900x... 3900x is suppose to clock higher and has more cores but really just a few to maybe 5%. The 9900k is a beast for sure in gaming but it says something if the 3700x at its price is being compared to it at times. Then you have the 3900x with crazy workload results for the same price with a cooler if need one These clock to clock ipc tests are interesting: https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_7_3700x_ryzen_9_3900x_review,9.html
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    AMD Zen

    3700x all the way here for me, had saved budget for the 3900x but not for my needs. Looking like a darn good upgrade from 2600x. Gaming looks near the same from 3700x, to 3900x. I can see how it might be hard for some to switch camps but those on AM4 already are probably tempted to upgrade seeimg the latest reviews. OC looks limiting again, curious on memory scaling and the improvements/impact it will have. https://www.anandtech.com/show/14605/the-and-ryzen-3700x-3900x-review-raising-the-bar/2 Edit: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-zen-2-memory-performance-scaling-benchmark/2.html
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    AMD Zen

    About the PBO (I think Jeruselem was commenting on this and SceptreCore thought it was about the scores? )... I know some x470 have more than enough vrm and voltage as the chips still have the same tdp. Possibly, the new chipset has something better to communicate with the cpu. Looking at the Physics score it looks good to me. Doing a quick search against the top 2700x FS Extreme score with a 1x RTX 2080 physics score of 21862, vs 3700x 25011 12.5% vs 3900x 29777 26.5%.
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    AMD Zen

    https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/19708840/fs/19709028/fs/19745255 I get almost 18k in Physics test, probably more if I move my ram back up but moved it to 3200 until I get a new cpu in and tested. The Combined test probably is mostly gpu based. Most benches seem to be showing good results. PBO with talking to the mb and vrm seems to be for x570 only. Not sure how OC will work with x470.
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    Nvidia - Turing/Volta

    Man... the super cards look pretty good compared to the current price... Looks like only 6-8% difference from the 2080. I can see why some might be jaded with this release. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvida-geforce-rtx-2070-super/27.html
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    AMD Zen

    Best I can get is using Stilts fast preset for 3200 but then running it 3466 @ 1.48v. Interesting they talk about vrms:
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    AMD Zen

    I have memtest pro, totally forgot till you mentioned At those timings, I did get a error after 48mins p95. I bumped the voltage to 1.46v and kept the timings, I should be good now but running more tests with 1hr p95 passed and running memtest now. Im using slilt 3200 safe preset in the MB currently and then set to 3466. I tried some of my own setting but didnt have as much luck. There is a fast 3200 Id like to try at 3466 if all goes well with this current test. Subs: Edit: Im all stable now with this v and timings. Ill try to tweak some more in few days.
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    AMD Zen

    3600 @ 16c 2T was slower than my runs before. I tried 3533 2T and it was even slower. Both 3533 and 3600 failed prime95 in about 5mins. Below is 3466 with aggressive timings with 1.425v. I have the 3600 in there just to compare but 3466 seems to be the sweet spot with this ram/cpu. Possibly, with another cpu it could pass 3600 on the dimms. No point in loosening the timings more as it would give worse results in my case. Really happy with this though so far, might try to go a bit lower timings but want to do a long couple of different tests:
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    AMD Zen

    Old is on the left in the above. Below is at 3466 with 15c timings, still testing stability:
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    AMD Zen

    Yea I thought the same thing about that site lol... I did a compare using Maxx and Aida64 latest version. I ordered a new ram kit that just came in and will give my old set to my son. These are suppose to work better with Ryzen and had low timings. Im hoping I can OC them up a bit, but just installed now and running p95 for the last 45mins. Below is the best timings I could get on my Corsair kit and could not run them over 3266 without errors. New kit is set at 3200 but with much better timings. Corsair Vengeance CMR-16GX4M2C-3466C16 RGB (@3266)* vs. GSkill Flare X F4-3200C14D-16GFX (@3200)*
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    AMD Zen

    I found this but have not had a chance to really look it over: https://ranker.sisoftware.co.uk/show_run.php?q=c2ffcee889e8d5e2daeedce8dff98bb686a0c5a09dad8bf8c5fd&l=en
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    AMD Zen

    I do think we could have more latency as how it is designed... More cache, like you said might help some... I wonder if it really matters if tests still show improvements and performance is there. AMD mentioning 3733 sweet spot, so maybe it will improve slightly with those ram kits. Someone did scaling for single core scores (9900k is 204): If it scales to the 4.4ghz of the 3700x and 4.6ghz of the 3900x, we can guess those should score 205 and 214 respectively
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    AMD Zen

    On the Aida64 copy, read and write..? latency...? Either the bios needs a revision, or possibly it is what we can expect with x470 and maybe x570... doubt its aida64 not updated for these. But, all the other tests done show strong performance for that price. https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2019/06/amd-ryzen-5-3600-x470-review/
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    AMD Zen

    https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5-3600-zen-2-7nm-cpu-review-published-online/amp/ Interesting if true
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    AMD Zen

    From what I read, the performance will be the same on x470 and B450 as the x570. TDP still the same as 2000 series. Might have a slight advantage but should be close I hope at least. It would be interesting to see the same chip used across 3 chipset series to compare performance and OC difference.
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    AMD Zen

    I know I don't "need it", but wants Part of why I'm on the fence is I plan to skip 4000 series. If I go 8 core, I'd be really tempted to upgrade. Interesting on memory setting and going over 3733: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pcgamesn.com/amd/ryzen-3000-memory-overclocking-sweet-spot%3famp
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    AMD Zen

    Maybe I'll go for this, kinda was wondering this since only 65w, but man 12core is sounding pretty awesome too: The Ryzen 7 3700X will be the best choice for avid overclockers, according to AMD’s Travis Kirsch. “I think the top of the stack, you’re going to be fairly limited initially,” says Kirsch. “You know, with our boost algorithms, we eke out just about everything you can get. So maybe a couple hundred megahertz. With the 65W parts you’ll get a lot more because their specs are run with a lower power. So you can overclock the thing, get all the power of it, and, obviously, you get more headroom out of it.”
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    AMD Zen

    It's a good compare, but with the IO die Id be curious on how it will turn out. Possibly it will be better, at least I hope. Im seeing rumors floating around with another chipset x590 in the works, as some have found references to this in the bios of some of the upcoming boards.
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    AMD Zen

    I hope so, those improvements in scheduler, IPC gain and higher clocks will/should make it a dam good chip to own. I love to tinker so hope there's OC headroom and gaming performance is on par or better than Intel at clock to clock.
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    AMD Zen

    The part about L3 going to IO die from Chiplet 1 and 0 hmmm... Gaming might take a hit with two chiplet as it even says that requests could move across chiplets using IO die. "There's not much different about the Zen 2 cache hierarchy other than the change to the L1i cache. L1 load/store bandwidth has increased by 2x, with better prefetch throttling. The L3 cache is still a victim cache for L2 data. There are no CCX-to-CCX connections within the Zen 2 architecture -- L3 data requested by Chiplet 1 from Chiplet 0 still moves across the I/O die."
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    AMD Zen

    Intel must know something if they are calling out AMD for gaming. I'm going to wait for some reviews to see which one I go with as it should be an upgrade for me but for others to switch platforms it might not be.
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    AMD Zen

    You know I was thinking of how cool it would be if in the multi chiplet if you could OC each chiplet independently. Rock 6 cores at 5ghz and the other 6 at 4.6ghz how fun that would be figuring out which chiplet is better or worse.
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