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Ok,

 

My father in law runs his own business while lecturing at the university (Traffic Engineering) and he also loves powerful hardware, to put it bluntly his last few laptops have been slow as buggery and he wants something to pull out all the stops! Anyhow he got himself the top of the line HP laptop, cost him 5k.

 

I dont remember specs but it was something like this:

 

CPU: Dual core T9600 or around abouts

Ram: 4gb Installed. Max of 8gb

Video: 512mb dedicated Nvidia Quadtro FX (Cad work)

Hd: 350gb

ect

ect

 

Now he rang and asked about which version of Vista Business to install, 32 or 64 bit. Now i automaticly recommended 64bit, but then i got thinking. Maybe its not such a good idea after all as he cant have any down time if a program fails to start. But seeing as he has 4gb's of ram and the capacity to have 8gb i still said go with vista 64.

 

I explained to him the only problem he may face will be any drivers for OLD equipment and i meant OLD AS FUCK, pre 1997 lol. Also he may find some programs fail to start even in compatibility mode but they have become a rare breed as of late. So now he's gone and installed vista 64 on his laptop so im just wondering if it was the correct choice considering his circumstances?

 

But keep in mind:

*He wont be gaming (Poor sod).

*He does time critical shit, for court cases and the likes.

*But he needs a powerfull PC for simulation applications and other speciality software.

 

Did i recommend correct?

 

Ok thankx

 

Jack

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Yes you did the right thing. His hardware is new so there should be no problem there, he has 4 gig of ram and may fit more so 64bit was the right choice for that as well. As for software problems, if he runs into any, it will be because the program is old. So if he can afford 5K for a laptop he can afford a new version of said software :D

 

EDIT: I and others have also found vista to be more stable than xp, but you should remind him to back up as nothing is perfect and as you point out he has critical files.

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Yes you did the right thing. His hardware is new so there should be no problem there, he has 4 gig of ram and may fit more so 64bit was the right choice for that as well. As for software problems, if he runs into any, it will be because the program is old. So if he can afford 5K for a laptop he can afford a new version of said software :D

Ah ok, well that makes me feel a little safer =). The only software he might have trouble with is his custom build software, the non consumer stuff. But yea i think 64bit was the way to go.

 

He uninstalled it and put on Vista 32bit. Ahwell at least he upgraded from xp, although i wish he would understand its now pointless to install 8gb of ram lol!!!

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64-bit is better at CAD work even with 4GB of RAM.

 

And Vista x64 is virtually completely x86 backwards compatible - if the program or driver is 32-bit then it works just fine.

 

Vista x86 is pointless in my eyes.

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64-bit is better at CAD work even with 4GB of RAM.

 

And Vista x64 is virtually completely x86 backwards compatible - if the program or driver is 32-bit then it works just fine.

 

Vista x86 is pointless in my eyes.

Its typical though he always asks me what i think but then he will ring me and say his PC 'Engineer' at work said it was not a good idea and do the opposite. It kind of frustrates me though as his engineer is a twit, i cant even count on 10 fingers the amount of times ive repaired my father in laws machine when the 'Engineer' at work said it had to be sent in for repair.

 

Anyhow as usual all my reccomendations are never taken seriously, he is always kind enough to ask but when ever i say 'so how did it go' he always says that he didnt take my advice as it was not what the 'Engineer' said. I guess i should not find this frustrating but when i know my advice is decent and im not getting taken seriously just because i dont have a 'Master' degree, it is actually frustrating!

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64bit is the only way to go.good choice and 1 I would've recommended.

with 64 bit it does have a 32bit program files folder, so in other words if something doesn't work in 64bit it'll throw the software install in there. very smart.

5k for a lappy = paying for out of date software/ hardware isn't an issue.

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64bit is the only way to go.good choice and 1 I would've recommended.

with 64 bit it does have a 32bit program files folder, so in other words if something doesn't work in 64bit it'll throw the software install in there. very smart.

5k for a lappy = paying for out of date software/ hardware isn't an issue.

Thats very true, thats more or less how i saw it. But we have to remember that with his kind of work he use's alot of software which is custom build to serve a purpose (Non consumer stuff). So updated version are few and far between as long as it doesnt make critical mistakes with certain calculations ect ect.

 

Anyway despite popular oppinion and reccomendations he still went with x84. I asked him just before what his engineer said to get some clarification, his engineer told him:

 

*Poor driver support

*Poor program support

*Risky.

 

Look i totally understand this guy has a master or even a professor graduate degree and thats all well and good, but what do they learn at these engineering courses? Thats all bollucks. But then again we should all look atr it this way.,

 

Smakme7757: Factory worker

PC engineer at work: Master/Prof Degree 5/6 years at university.

 

Who would you believe?

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Degrees mean shit. I showed a computing lecturer my website during an interview, and he thought it was amazing. The website was just a basic HTML/CSS design. It just goes to show that knowing a lot about one specific area, has little bearing on another field of study.

 

He probably hears rubbish rumours, and takes it as gospel (much like most people). Tell him to join Atomic, we'll set him straight. :P

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Degrees mean shit. I showed a computing lecturer my website during an interview, and he thought it was amazing. The website was just a basic HTML/CSS design. It just goes to show that knowing a lot about one specific area, has little bearing on another field of study.

 

He probably hears rubbish rumours, and takes it as gospel (much like most people). Tell him to join Atomic, we'll set him straight. :P

Amen to that!

 

Just like you said, he no doubt is an expertise in a specific area, but when you think about how many hours we all: use, break, destroy, repair, install, reinstall, blow up, overclock, change OS...ect....ect out computers i think we have quite a bit of knowladge ourselves!!

 

But unfortunatly experience that is not recorded on paper means shit all to most people, unfortunatly!!

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*Poor driver support

*Poor program support

*Risky.

*bullshit

*bullshit

*bullshit

 

I've been running Vista 64 for over 12 months with NO issues whatsoever.

 

Look i totally understand this guy has a master or even a professor graduate degree....

Of COURSE he does dude, you'd have to be universtity educated to say somthing that stupid. ;P

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*Poor driver support

*Poor program support

*Risky.

*bullshit

*bullshit

*bullshit

 

I've been running Vista 64 for over 12 months with NO issues whatsoever.

 

Look i totally understand this guy has a master or even a professor graduate degree....

Of COURSE he does dude, you'd have to be universtity educated to say somthing that stupid. ;P

 

LOL.

 

So true.

 

I have found Uni educated types when it comes to IT are generally dumber than a bag of rocks.

 

I know plenty that are brilliant and know what they are on about, but not because of textbooks, but because of getting into it in the real world and experiencing shit themselves.

 

The above works in real life as well, but can be a bit scary.

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Thats very true, thats more or less how i saw it. But we have to remember that with his kind of work he use's alot of software which is custom build to serve a purpose (Non consumer stuff). So updated version are few and far between as long as it doesnt make critical mistakes with certain calculations ect ect.

if any of the software he uses is 16 bit only or only has a 16 bit installer then it would not work on Vista 64. However if any of his specialist software is still stuck in the 16 bit era then the developers need a fucking big kick in the arse to update it.

Or he could have run a VM with XP 32/Win98 or what the fuck ever he wanted to get the software to work.

 

Still his choice, just a pity he has crippled the performance of his new PC.

 

As far as stability and driver support goes, at worst Vista 64 is the same as Vista 32 in both areas and Vista 64 often seems better, so he has limited his PC for no bloody gain at all.

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Thats very true, thats more or less how i saw it. But we have to remember that with his kind of work he use's alot of software which is custom build to serve a purpose (Non consumer stuff). So updated version are few and far between as long as it doesnt make critical mistakes with certain calculations ect ect.

if any of the software he uses is 16 bit only or only has a 16 bit installer then it would not work on Vista 64. However if any of his specialist software is still stuck in the 16 bit era then the developers need a fucking big kick in the arse to update it.

Or he could have run a VM with XP 32/Win98 or what the fuck ever he wanted to get the software to work.

 

Still his choice, just a pity he has crippled the performance of his new PC.

 

As far as stability and driver support goes, at worst Vista 64 is the same as Vista 32 in both areas and Vista 64 often seems better, so he has limited his PC for no bloody gain at all.

 

All his software is 32bit im pretty sure of that! Its all simulation software for crash statistics and measuring how fast a car was going ect ect. He does alot of work for the courts to determine who was at fault and how fast people were driving before people drove into poles (He left some photos on his desk once which i had a sneak peek at; disturbing stuff). So im 100% sure its all 32bit and i have vista x64 on ALLLL of my machines so i asked him to test drive the software on them but he wasnt interested. It took me 3 weeks to convince him to go vista over XP so i think 64bit was pushing it.

 

Just a pitty i didnt get any backup from that punce of an IT engineer he has at work!

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