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This parts guide has to be one of the best available online for Australian builders. This list needs more exposure to enlighten poor gamer builders that fall for the trap with 4G low end GPUs and overkill motherboards with features they wont ever use. Good stuff Dasa!

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A very nifty guide indeed.

 

The budget gamer (overclockable) could do with an update tho. :)

done

didnt need much more than a color change though did it?

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Very nice guide thanks guys.

I think you get the prices from staticice, well it's happening that top cheaper prices now seem to be always outdated because once you go the the shop link it will show a higher price.

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au$ is rapidly dropping so it may go up much more yet if it continues

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Just want to say thanks Dasa for making this thread, it is awesome.

 

Which one would you recommend that is better than or equal to a current console?

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Low Budget Gamer with the best gpu would be close to new consoles although the components are faster they may still struggle in upcoming console games due to pc often running 1080p or higher where as a lot of console games run under 1080p along with other higher detail settings that pc ports may get but pc also receive less optimization

i think xbone was using something close to 260x gpu and ps4 was something like 7850

 

updating this build

High End Updated 20/9/2014
CPU 4790K 4GHz 8MB $382 (for a gaming only rig stick with 4690k $264)
MB Gigabyte Z97X-UD3H $178 -OR- ASUS Maximus VII Ranger $214 -OR- Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming 7 $215 -OR- Asus MAXIMUS VII HERO $264 VRM LIST

RAM G.Skill Trident X F3-2400C10D-16GTX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 $209
GPU (One or Two) GTX 970 4GB $419-838 -OR- GTX 980 4GB $729-1458
SSD Samsung 850 Pro 512GB 10y $415 -OR- Plextor M6e Series 512GB x2-M.2 5y $522
BDR Pioneer BDR-209 15X Blu-Ray Write $79
PSU EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2 $142 -OR- Seasonic XP 760 Platinum $225
CASE Nanoxia Deep Silence 1 $109 -OR- Silverstone Fortress FT02 $199
HSF Noctua NH-D15 $102
TOTAL $1324-IGP $1852-3440

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Ok overhauled a build

 

High End Updated 15/12/2014
CPU Intel Core i7 5820K 3.3-3.6GHz Six Core $459
MB ASRock X99-EXTREME3 $247 -OR- ASRock X99 Extreme4 X99 $288

RAM Crucial 8GB (2x4GB) DDR4 2133MHz $124 -OR- Kingston HyperX Predator HX424C12PB2K4/16 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 $349

GPU (One or Two) GTX 970 4GB Reference\G1 $429\499 x2=858\998 -OR- GTX 980 4GB Reference\G1 $693\789 x2=1386\1578

SSD Crucial MX100 512G 3y $265 -OR- Samsung 850 Pro 512GB 10y $408 -OR- Plextor M6e Series 512GB x2-M.2 PCIe x2 5y $522 -OR- Samsung XP941 512GB M.2 PCIe x4 3y $611

BDR Pioneer BDR-209 15X Blu-Ray Write $79
PSU EVGA SuperNOVA 750\850 G2 $145\179 -OR- Seasonic XP 760\860 Platinum v2 $229\299
CASE Nanoxia Deep Silence 1 $99 -OR- Silverstone Fortress FT02 $235
HSF Noctua NH-D14 2011 $88
TOTAL $1935-3986

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Ok adding a build more caterd to work or maybe just gamers that dont want to oc for some reson

Not Overclockable Updated 15/12/2014
CPU i5 4590 3.3-3.7GHz $234 -OR- Intel Xeon E3 1231 V3 3.4-3.8GHz (I7 with NO IGP) $299 -OR- I7 4790k 4-4.4GHz $415
MB Gigabyte H97M-D3H $111 -OR- Asus H97M-PLUS $124
RAM 1600 1.5v 2x4G 8-8-8 GS-F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM $102 -OR- 2x8G 7-8-8 F3-1600C7D-16GTX $204
GPU Needed for the Xeon or if your gaming otherwise possibly not as with anything just ask if your not sure
SSD Crucial MX100 256GB 3y $139 -OR- Intel 730 5y 240G $155 -OR- Samsung 850 Pro 256G 10y $206
PSU Seasonic G Series 360W $69 -OR- CoolerMaster Vanguard S 450W $89 -OR- SeaSonic G-550 $111 PSU sizeing depends on gpu\hdd extreme psucalculator
CASE Silverstone Black Precision Series PS09 $45 -OR- Nanoxia Deep Silence 2 $79 -OR- Silverstone TJ08-E $99
TOTAL $700-1159+hdd\GPU
HDD (Optional) 3y warranty Toshiba 1/2/3/4/5TB $64/89/123/179/255 5y warranty Hitachi Ultrastar 1/2/3/4/6TB $99/179/258/348/774

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BTW, Dasa, shouldn't we start updating the budget end? The problem with the G3258 is that it isn't going to cut it with the current games, especially towards the future. Perhaps drop towards i3 even though it will be breaking the budget by a lot?

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maybe

there is a lot of things there that need updating

most the prices will go up a lot with the falling au $ since the last update

amd last gen gpu have all been replaced with new names and a higher price tag

 

there is a note there about the pentium not running some new games but it runs many older games better than a i3 once overclocked

so for somebody that is happy to play older games its a good starting cpu till they can afford to get a i5

while a i3 can run games that need 4 threads im not sure that problems like stuttering have been fixed completely with relying on ht to provide the extra threads i dont think its a ideal solution

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there is a lot of things there that need updating

most the prices will go up a lot with the falling au $ since the last update

amd last gen gpu have all been replaced with new names and a higher price tag

 

there is a note there about the pentium not running some new games but it runs many older games better than a i3 once overclocked

so for somebody that is happy to play older games its a good starting cpu till they can afford to get a i5

while a i3 can run games that need 4 threads im not sure that problems like stuttering have been fixed completely with relying on ht to provide the extra threads i dont think its a ideal solution

 

I agree with the pointers about the prices being a bit odd since the new stuff is just the old but an added 3 in front of the numbers.

 

I sort of disagree in that the pentium is a good CPU as it is really most suitable for basic games. Anything more intensive would be best served on the i3 which would be more doable in a sense. Sure, the pentium and i3 are almost the same apart from several key instructions and functions. And honestly, I do think anyone wanting to game more intensively would be going for an i5 minimum anyway.

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I sort of disagree in that the pentium is a good CPU as it is really most suitable for basic games. Anything more intensive would be best served on the i3 which would be more doable in a sense.

 

look at the budget cpu review linked at the start of the parts guide it shows the overclocked pentium trading blows with the fx 6300 and the i3

i would love to see them do a fcat review of pentium vs i3 vs i5

 

keep in mind they are cpu limited benchmarks with powerfull gpu

pair it with the gtx750 or r9 270 and the difference would shrink

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And I stand by my views when I built a system for a friend. We benched some of the more common games he wanted to play. This was what we noticed.

 

This CPU has tremendous value at $60. However, it comes with a large sacrifice in usability.

  • Noticeably slower desktop experience. Startup programs would bog the CPU for a couple of minutes as it tried multitasking.

  • Gaming performance is SEVERELY affected by running background applications. Almost every game required almost NOTHING else to be running in the background to minimize the stuttering. YES this CPU can play games, but it really can't play games while Skyping your buddies and playing music. If you want to stream or record, buy an AMD FX chip or pony up and get an i7.

  • In order to get a high OC, you need high voltage. In order to maintain high voltage, your motherboard needs to be capable and your case cooling needs to be effective. The budget aspect of this CPU is quickly cancelled out by much higher platform costs than say a budget AMD quad core or even the $100 FX8320 deals from Microcenter. I ran one of these chips in a Node 304 with a heavy OC, and the motherboard would hit 128C and shut down. Your motherboard NEEDS airflow when it starts pushing 1.35-1.4V through to your CPU.

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so i3 and fx 6300 are much the same price

i felt the fx was better value at the time but prices have changed a bit so which do you think is better now?

 

Intel Pentium G3258 $85

ASRock H81-PRO-BTC $58 ASRock H81 Pro BTC (ATX): 4.5 Ghz at 1.25 volts, see post #63. 4.7 Ghz at 1.35 volts http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2389948

1600 C9 2x4G $82

$225

Intel Core i3-4170 $149
ASRock B85M-PRO3 $79
1600 C9 2x4G $82
$304

fx 6300 $139
Gigabyte GA-970A-D3P $105
G.Skill F3-2400C11D-8GXM $80
$324

 

the pentium uses very little power so overclocking it is nothing like overclocking a fx8320 even overclocked it uses less power than a stock fx6300

 

how do you get a cpu to au from microcenter?

 

i have always kept background process to a minimum and never recorded at the same time but obviously people that want that need to pay extra for a smooth experience

 

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those prices are all over the place with staticice though so post could be a killer

had a look at newegg intel part prices are up but a amd build looks good from them

 

AMD FX-6300 Vishera 6-Core 3.5GHz (4.1GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W FD6300WMHKBOX Desktop Processor AUD$137
GIGABYTE GA-970A-DS3P (rev. 2.0) AM3+ AMD 970 6 x SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard AUD$72
G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-1866C9D-8GAB AUD$65
Subtotal: AUD$274
International Shipping AUD$54
Grand Total: AUD$328

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The friend I was with, he was in the US so hence the Microcenter issue there. He's documented the build apart from one part which was the graphics here on reddit if you wanted to take a look: http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/2n0j3q/discussion_a_look_into_the_g3258_47ghz_gtx_970/

 

Overall, he has told me that the Pentium is only good if you're looking towards older games like DOTA2, LoL and anything not strenuous. However, most people building a budget PC usually would be looking to play some of the advanced games today minimally. So I do think the G3258 is a bit harder to justify against minimum quad core specs when it is a dual core.

 

I know that pricing is a bit harsh but given the circumstances, it'll be best to put a notification that going budget then higher would be a waste of time when there are other better options from the get go.

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not everyone has the cash from the get go unfortunately

 

i do say that

(The more you spend the better the bang for your buck with this build)

 

the gtx750 and pentium are not great value vs the i5 and 280 but they do get a lot more games than just dota2\lol playable at lower settings 30-60fps avg for a much lower price

there is a fair few games out this year though that really need a quad core minimum and more on the way as it seems to be a standard for games based on the new consoles

but most games made for ps3\xb360 and pc around that time should be playable on the pentium

 

the slower gpu will reduce the fps thus reduce the load on the cpu

pairing a top end gpu with a cheap ass cpu and expecting it to play games like bf4 silky smooth is just silly although it didnt do to bad with mantle from what he says

edit

be interesting if he tried to cap the fps at ~40 with dxtroy and see if that reduced the stutters

 

so you think that the minimum priced gaming build should be ~$900 in this thread?

 

found a review with frame time variance and it is up a bit

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g3258-overclocking-performance,3849-4.html

just a shame they used a titan x

i can understand them wanting to remove the gpu bottlneck so you can see where the cpu really sit against eachother

but it would be good if they also showed if there is any noticeable difference with a sub $200 gpu

 

oh and im enjoying your feedback thanks :)

 

this shows pentium vs i3 vs i5 vs i7 in witcher 3 both the pentium and the i3 struggle

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ok i have rejigged the budget gamer anyone in favor of keeping cheaper cpu\gpu as a option? if not i will replace it with this

 

Low Budget Gamer CPU Review | GPU Review (The more you spend the better the bang for your buck with this build) Updated 8/7/2014
CPU/MB Option AMD Hex Core FX-6300 $139 Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 ATX $105=244 (no igp)
CPU/MB Option Intel Quad Core i5 4590 3.3-3.7GHz $242 With ASRock B85M-PRO3 MicroATX $79=$321
RAM 2x4g c9 $82 -OR- cl8 $85
GPU R9 270 2G $179 -OR- R9 280 3G $239
HDD 1TB 7200rpm $66
PSU Corsair VS450 $58 -OR- FSP 450W Raider $73
CASE Cougar Spike 5SS7 MicroATX $39 -OR- CoolerMaster K281 ATX $49
TOTAL $566-IGP (ok for a start but for gaming get a gpu quick) $678-833

 

didnt end up as expencive as i feared

 

old build

Low Budget Gamer CPU Review | GPU Review (The more you spend the better the bang for your buck with this build) Updated 8/7/2014
CPU/MB Option Intel Dual Core Pentium G3258 $78 Asus H81M-PLUS $68=$146 Overclockable Need to make sure mb has bios 2001 or newer or it may not post (Dual core wont run some new games Dragonage or FC4 others will run but they may stutter)
CPU/MB Option AMD Hex Core FX-6300 $125 ASRock 970-PRO3 $87=212 (no igp)
CPU/MB Option Intel Quad Core i5 4460 3.2-3.4GHz $199 With ASRock B85M-PRO3 $79 -OR- 4590 3.3-3.7GHz $213 With Asrock H97M Pro4 $107=$278-320 RAM 4g 1600 $43 -OR- 2x4g $86 -OR- cl8 $99 (1600c11 lowers cpu performance to the same as 1333c9 while 1600cl8 provides similar performance gains to 4690 vs 4460)
GPU GTX 750 2G $128 -OR- GTX 750Ti 2G $159-OR- R7 265 2G $178 -OR- R9 270 2G $193 -OR- R9 280 3G $249 (270\280 are the minimum for smooth 1080p gameplay)
HDD 1TB 7200rpm $58
DVD sata dvd $18
PSU Corsair VS450 $54 -OR- FSP 450W Raider $72
CASE Cougar Spike 5SS7 $39 -OR- CoolerMaster K281 $49
TOTAL $358-IGP (ok for a start but for gaming get a gpu quick) $486-865

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ok i have rejigged the budget gamer anyone in favor of keeping cheaper cpu\gpu as a option? if not i will replace it with this

 

Low Budget Gamer CPU Review | GPU Review (The more you spend the better the bang for your buck with this build) Updated 8/7/2014

 

 

 

How terrible is this low budget gamer?

 

Looking at building the wife a new computer.

 

Her old PC that died had a Radeon HD7770 and an i5 of that time. (PC bought in 2012, I don't recall which i5 off the top of my head)

 

Is this low budget gamer about the same as this, if not a bit better?

 

 

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any i5 is enough to keep up with a mid end gpu in most games

ssd\gpu may be all you need depending on what its used for

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any i5 is enough to keep up with a mid end gpu in most games

ssd\gpu may be all you need depending on what its used for

I'd be building a whole new PC, just wondering how it stacks up against what she used to have.

 

Specially if I went the AMD path, although having looked around it appears the fx 6300 doesn't perform very well even compared to the older i5s.

 

Looks like it'd be worth forking out the money for the i5 listed in your build.

 

Although what about using an i3 instead?

 

 

Maybe I'll move this out to its own thread.

 

 

 

 

http://forums.atomicmpc.com.au/index.php/topic/57181-new-gaming-pc-build-for-the-wife/

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Gamer Updated 1/7/2015
CPU 4690k 3.5Ghz $291
MB GA-Z97X-SOC-FORCE $229 VRM LIST
RAM 2x8G DDR3 2400 c10 $185
GPU R9-290 4GB $379 (wants 550w+) -OR- GTX 970 3.5GB $437 (450w is ok) -OR- Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 3.5GB $499 -OR- GTX980Ti 6GB $967
SSD Crucial BX100 250GB $122 -OR- Samsung 500GB 850 EVO $269
PSU CoolerMaster Vanguard S 450W $92 -OR- EVGA SuperNOVA 750W G2 $139
CASE Silverstone Raven RV05 $129
HSF (Optional) Noctua NH-U12S $89
TOTAL $1048-igp $1474-$2113

 

Is being replaced with
Gamer Updated 20/8/2015
CPU 6600k 3.5Ghz $359
MB ASUS Z170-AR $259
RAM G.Skill DDR4-3000 2x8 16GB Ripjaws V $214
GPU GTX 970 3.5GB\OC\G1 $438\469\519 -OR- GTX980 4GB $669 -OR- GTX980Ti 6GB $967
SSD Samsung 250GB 850 EVO $145 -OR- Samsung 500GB 850 EVO $261
PSU CoolerMaster Vanguard S 450W\550w $92\125 -OR- EVGA SuperNOVA 750W G2 $149
CASE Silverstone Raven RV05 $129
HSF (Optional) Noctua NH-D14 $99
TOTAL $1198-igp $1636-$2437

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i guess they could but due due to the slightly lower clock speed they cost more without really being any faster and these builds tend to lean towards overclocking or value at a price point that doesnt allow overclocking

 

i5-6400 LGA1151 2.7-3.3GHz $269
i5 6500 3.2-3.6GHz $305
i5 6600 3.3-3.9GHz $328
i7 6700K 4-4.2GHz $517

Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H $149
ASUS H170 PLUS D3 $179

GeIL 8GB Kit (2x4GB) GPR48GB2400C15DC DDR4 C15 2400MHz $89


i5-4460 3.2-3.4GHz $255
i5 4590 3.3-3.7GHz $268
i5-4690 3.5-3.9GHz $305
Xeon E3 1231 V3 3.4-3.8GHz (I7 with NO IGP) $369
I7 4790k 4-4.4GHz $469

Gigabyte H97M-D3H $133

DDR3 8GB (2x4G) Corsair 1600MHz Vengeance CL9 RAM Kit PN CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 $75
G.skill DDR3-1600 8GB Dual Channel [Ripjaws] F3-12800CL8D-8GBRM $82.61

 

any thoughts?

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doing some overdue updates today

 

Budget Gamer-overclockable Updated 25/7/2015
CPU i5 4690k 3.5GHz $322
MB ASRock Z97M Pro4 $132 -OR- Gigabyte GA-Z97M-D3H $154
RAM 2x4G 2133 c9\2400 c10 $84\86
GPU R9 280 3GB $239 -OR- GTX970 WINDFORCE OC 3.5GB $459
HDD\SSD 1Tb 7200RPM $66 -OR- Crucial\Transcend 250\256G $118\127
PSU FSP Raider 450\550 Silver 5y $73\80
CASE CoolerMaster N200 $59
HSF (optional) Raijintek Themis $29
TOTAL $736-IGP $975-1316

 

Budget Gamer-overclockable Updated 17/11/2015
CPU i5 6600k 3.5GHz $323
MB Gigabyte Z170-D3H DDR4 $184
RAM Corsair 8GB (2x4GB) CMK8GX4M2A2133C13 $79 -OR- Corsair CMK8GX4M2B3000C15R $103
GPU GTX 960 2G $255 -OR- R9 380 2\4GB $289\$329 -OR- GTX970 WINDFORCE OC 3.5GB $439
HDD\SSD 1Tb 7200RPM $69 -OR- OCZ ARC 100 240g $113 -OR- Transcend SSD370 256GB $125
PSU FSP Raider 450\550 Silver 5y $79\85
CASE Deepcool Kendomen $66
HSF (optional) Raijintek Themis $35
TOTAL $800-IGP $1055-1360

 

 

finally decided to ditch the fx 6300 in favour of the i3 as it has a upgrade path to a quad core

reviews show the i3 is competitive with the fx 6300 in multithreaded games provided the ram is decent but with 2133 it lags behind a bit

the i3 strength has always been games that are not so well threaded i just hope that the i3 doesnt still have a tendency to stutter in games that want 4 cores

 

Low Budget Gamer CPU Review | GPU Review (The more you spend the better the bang for your buck with this build) Updated 25/7/2015
CPU/MB Option AMD Hex Core FX-6300 $145 ASRock 970-PRO3 [/size]$95=$240 -OR- Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 ATX $115=260 (no igp)
CPU/MB Option Intel Quad Core i5 i5 4460 3.2-3.4GHz $248 4590 3.3-3.7GHz $268 With ASRock B85M-PRO3 MicroATX $79=$327-347
RAM Kingston 2x4G 1866Mhz cl10 $75
GPU R9 270 2GB $179 -OR- R9 280 3GB $239
HDD 1TB 7200rpm $66
PSU Corsair VS450 $58 -OR- FSP 450W Raider $73
CASE Cougar Spike 5SS7 MicroATX $39 -OR- CoolerMaster K281 ATX $49
TOTAL $565-IGP (ok for a start but for gaming get a gpu quick) $657-849

 

Low Budget Gamer CPU Review | GPU Review (The more you spend the better the bang for your buck with this build) Updated 17/11/2015
CPU I3 6100 $161 -OR- I5 6400 $268
MB MSI H110M Pro-VD DDR4x2 $99 -OR- Gigabyte B150M D3H DDR4x4 $136
RAM 1x8G DDR4 $74 -OR- Corsair 8GB (2x4GB) CMK8GX4M2A2133C13 $79
GPU R9 270 2GB $169 -OR- GTX 960 2G $255 -OR- R9 380 2\4GB $289\$329
HDD 1TB 7200rpm $69
PSU Corsair VS450 $54 -OR- FSP 450W Raider $79
CASE Cougar Spike 5SS7 $39
TOTAL $496-IGP (ok for a start but for gaming get a gpu quick) $665-999

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