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9 hours ago, foolz said:

Well, against everyone's best judgement (including my own) i ended up getting the Gaming Trio X. 😛 

Hey you wanted the quietest option and were willing to pay for it nice choice.

 

The case you chose is a good value blend of low noise and airflow but there is quieter options.

 

With the HDD make sure it is 5400RPM even then it will be the loudest thing in your PC at low loads unless it is asleep.

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Updated the builds and deleted a few unnecessary builds

 

 

AM4 MOTHERBOARDS COMPARISON TABLE

 

 

Cheapest Gaming PC Updated 22/09/2019

  • CPU AMD Ryzen 3 3200G 4 Core with Vega 8 Graphics $139 (Or 3400G $229 if you can justify it)
  • MB 320M $75 (Make sure the BIOS has been updated to support The CPU) -OR- B450M $99+ (B450 If you wish to OC, also needs BIOS updated using old CPU)
  • RAM 8G (2x8) 3200 c16 $130
  • HDD 240GB $43 -OR- 480GB $75
  • CASE\PSU Antec VSK4-500 w/ 500W PSU $91
    TOTAL $478-534

 

Intel Low Budget Gamer I3 9100 Review | (not overclockable) Updated 22/09/2019

  • CPU Intel Core i3 9100F 3.6GHz 4 Core $125
  • MB B365M $105
  • RAM 8G (2x8G) 2666 Kingston HyperX FURY HX426C15FBK2/16 $119
  • GPU RX 570 4\8GB $209\239
  • SSD 480GB $75
  • PSU Cooler Master MWE Bronze 450W 3Y $65 -OR- Seasonic Focus 450W 7Y $99
  • CASE SilverStone Precision PS16 $49
    TOTAL  $747-811
     

AMD Low Budget Gamer 2600 Review Updated 22/09/2019

  • CPU AMD Ryzen 2600 6C\12T $199
  • MB ASRock B450M Pro4-F $115
  • RAM 8G (2x8) 3200 c16 $130
  • GPU RX 570 4\8GB $209\239
  • SSD 480GB $75
  • PSU Cooler Master MWE Bronze 450W 3Y $65 -OR- Phanteks PH-P550GF Gold 550W 5Y $99
  • CASE SilverStone Precision PS16 $49
    TOTAL $842-906


AMD Gamer 3600 Review Updated 22/09/2019

  • CPU Ryzen 5 3600 6C\12T $315 -OR- Ryzen 7 3700X 8C\16T $519 (Budget priority should go to GPU for current games)
  • MB MSI B450M MORTAR MAX $149
  • RAM 16G (2x8) 3000c15 Crucial Ballistix Sport LT $119 OC to ~3600
  • GPU RX 5700 8GB OC $599 -OR- RX 5700 XT 8GB OC $699 (2070 Super is decent value at $750 with ebay sales)
  • SSD Kingston A2000 M.2 NVMe $159
  • PSU Super Flower Leadex III 650W Gold 7Y $129
  • CASE SilverStone Precision PS15 RGB $69 (Non RGB lacks fans)
    TOTAL $1539-1843


Intel Gamer Updated 22/09/2019

  • CPU 9700k 8C $550 -OR- 9900K 8C\16 $899Gamers Nexus 9700k Review
  • MB ASRock Z390 PHANTOM GAMING-ITX/AC $269 (Newegg) -OR- Asus ROG STRIX Z390-I GAMING $322
  • RAM 2x8 3200c14\3600c16 $239 OC to ~4000c17 1.4-1.5vdimm
  • GPU RX 5700 XT 8GB OC $699 -OR- RTX 2080 Super 8GB $1089 -OR- RTX 2080 Ti  $1699
  • SSD ADATA XPG 1TB SX8200 Pro M.2 NVMe $225
  • PSU Corsair SF600 Gold\Platinum 600W SFX 7Y $166\199 + SilverStone PP08 Adapter SFX to ATX $10 (SFX PSU provides extra breathing room for GPU. Have PSU inlet facing up)
  • CASE Fractal Design Define S Nano $99 (Block bottom vents to force airflow past GPU and out the back)
  • HSF Noctua NH-D15 $125 (Move fan from over RAM to the case lower front inlet)
    TOTAL $1683-igp $2382-$3468

 

AMD High End, Low Noise Updated 22/09/2019

  • CPU Ryzen 7 3900X 8C\16T $809 3700X & 3900X Review
  • MB ASUS Prime X570 Pro $369
  • RAM 2x16 3200 Crucial Ballistix Sport LT $269 OC to ~3600
  • GPU RX 5700 XT 8GB Red Devil $749 -OR- RTX 2080 Super 8GB Gaming X Trio $1272 -OR- RTX 2080 Ti 11GB GV-N208TAORUS-X-W-11GC $2195
  • SSD Samsung 970 EVO PLUS 1TB $303
  • PSU Super Flower Leadex Titanium 750W 5y $219
  • CASE Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C $219
  • HSF Noctua NH-U12A $159
    TOTAL $3096-4542

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Re. storage, I'd probably want at least 2tb to complement the SSD.

17 hours ago, Dasa said:

Hey you wanted the quietest option and were willing to pay for it nice choice.

 

The case you chose is a good value blend of low noise and airflow but there is quieter options.

 

With the HDD make sure it is 5400RPM even then it will be the loudest thing in your PC at low loads unless it is asleep.

Well, the fractal define c and be quiet! pure base 600 are still both options; I was not sure when the build began if they'd provide adequate cooling or not, but the GPU I've ended up with runs pretty cool as does the CPU. So should I consider them more seriously? Cable management seems to be easier on the fractal define c as well, and, well, I'm very bad at cable management lol. I may try overclocking the GPU at some point, but I'm open to all suggestions.

 

Speaking of Be Quiet!, Boris suggested on Whirpool going for the Pure Rock (I was thinking the Slim, as according to their website the standard version will impede the ram) instead of the Noctua. That should be fine if I don't overclock, right? The 3700x overclocking results seem underwhelming so far, unless I've been looking in the wrong places. He also said it might be a bit difficult to fit the SSD, GPU and sound card on the board, and suggested the MSI B450-A Pro Max as an alternative.

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6 hours ago, Dasa said:


AMD Gamer 3600 Review Updated 22/09/2019

  • CPU Ryzen 5 3600 6C\12T $315 -OR- Ryzen 7 3700X 8C\16T $519 (Budget priority should go to GPU for current games)
  • MB MSI B450M MORTAR MAX $149
  • RAM 16G (2x8) 3000c15 Crucial Ballistix Sport LT $119 OC to ~3600
  • GPU RX 5700 8GB OC $599 -OR- RX 5700 XT 8GB OC $699 (2070 Super is decent value at $750 with ebay sales)
  • SSD Kingston A2000 M.2 NVMe $159
  • PSU Super Flower Leadex III 650W Gold 7Y $129
  • CASE SilverStone Precision PS15 RGB $69 (Non RGB lacks fans)
    TOTAL $1539-1843


Intel Gamer Updated 22/09/2019

  • CPU 9700k 8C $550 -OR- 9900K 8C\16 $899Gamers Nexus 9700k Review
  • MB ASRock Z390 PHANTOM GAMING-ITX/AC $269 (Newegg) -OR- Asus ROG STRIX Z390-I GAMING $322
  • RAM 2x8 3200c14\3600c16 $239 OC to ~4000c17 1.4-1.5vdimm
  • GPU RX 5700 XT 8GB OC $699 -OR- RTX 2080 Super 8GB $1089 -OR- RTX 2080 Ti  $1699
  • SSD ADATA XPG 1TB SX8200 Pro M.2 NVMe $225
  • PSU Corsair SF600 Gold\Platinum 600W SFX 7Y $166\199 + SilverStone PP08 Adapter SFX to ATX $10 (SFX PSU provides extra breathing room for GPU. Have PSU inlet facing up)
  • CASE Fractal Design Define S Nano $99 (Block bottom vents to force airflow past GPU and out the back)
  • HSF Noctua NH-D15 $125 (Move fan from over RAM to the case lower front inlet)
    TOTAL $1683-igp $2382-$3468

 

AMD High End, Low Noise Updated 22/09/2019

  • CPU Ryzen 7 3900X 8C\16T $809 3700X & 3900X Review
  • MB ASUS Prime X570 Pro $369
  • RAM 2x16 3200 Crucial Ballistix Sport LT $269 OC to ~3600
  • GPU RX 5700 XT 8GB Red Devil $749 -OR- RTX 2080 Super 8GB Gaming X Trio $1272 -OR- RTX 2080 Ti 11GB GV-N208TAORUS-X-W-11GC $2195
  • SSD Samsung 970 EVO PLUS 1TB $303
  • PSU Super Flower Leadex Titanium 750W 5y $219
  • CASE Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C $219
  • HSF Noctua NH-U12A $159
    TOTAL $3096-4542

Is the Intel Gamer deliberately spec'd to make it higher end/performance than the AMD gamer?

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2 hours ago, Nich... said:

Is the Intel Gamer deliberately spec'd to make it higher end/performance than the AMD gamer?

My thought was that if you are willing to pay more for a Intel CPU for minimal improvement then you might as well do the same with the rest of the parts.

But they are also good parts that needed to be shown and people should feel free to mix and match the bits with the AMD build if they wish.

 

2 hours ago, foolz said:

Well, the fractal define c and be quiet! pure base 600 are still both options; I was not sure when the build began if they'd provide adequate cooling or not, but the GPU I've ended up with runs pretty cool as does the CPU. So should I consider them more seriously? Cable management seems to be easier on the fractal define c as well, and, well, I'm very bad at cable management lol. I may try overclocking the GPU at some point, but I'm open to all suggestions.

Don't know that the Fractal C is all that good for low noise as it uses fairly thin noise dampening and smaller fans from memory.

The be quiet does run a bit hotter but it is supposed to be quiet so it may be a good option.

2 hours ago, foolz said:

Boris suggested on Whirpool going for the Pure Rock (I was thinking the Slim, as according to their website the standard version will impede the ram) instead of the Noctua. That should be fine if I don't overclock, right?

For sure.

Although the CPU does auto OC I think and the cooler it runs the higher the clock speed and while every little bit adds up on it's own it wouldn't be enough to make a noticeable difference.

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2 hours ago, foolz said:

He also said it might be a bit difficult to fit the SSD, GPU and sound card on the board, and suggested the MSI B450-A Pro Max as an alternative. 

First has two M.2 ports and one gets disabled when you use the bottom port for the sound card while the second only has one M.2.

I don't see how it would make much difference ether way but you would get a little more breathing room for the GPU.

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Might be changing my suggestion for the Asus X570 Pro MB as it looks to have a serous flaw that none of the previews for it picked up on.

Users are reporting high noise from the chipset fan and when I looked at this image I noticed that looks like the bare chipset die is barely making contact with the HSF and is just sitting bare under the fan.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-prime-x570-pro/images/chipset.jpg

 

Apparently the fan is PWM but cannot be controlled in BIOS on the current header and changing the header would not allow adjustment based on system temperature.

 

Edit: found some better pictures and the HSF may actually be covering the chipset so it is not all bad but apparently it is still loud at 4700RPM <50c idle

https://forum.hardwareinside.de/media/asus-rog-strix-x570-e-gaming-14-jpg.89805/

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On 9/22/2019 at 6:51 PM, Dasa said:

 

Don't know that the Fractal C is all that good for low noise as it uses fairly thin noise dampening and smaller fans from memory.

The be quiet does run a bit hotter but it is supposed to be quiet so it may be a good option.

For sure.

Although the CPU does auto OC I think and the cooler it runs the higher the clock speed and while every little bit adds up on it's own it wouldn't be enough to make a noticeable difference.

So, if I were to go for the Be Quiet!, I should be fine without needing to add an extra fan at the front so long as I'm only overclocking the ram, not the CPU or GPU, right?

 

My other, and silliest, option would be to replace the fans in my Antec three hundred with high end fans, but the air flow doesn't look much better than the BQ PB 600, so it'd be a bit redundant. xD I'm also open to other suggestions, if there's anything out there better than the pb 600 in that price range, but it seems to be in the same league as the likes of the silent base which is nearly twice the price!

 

As an aside, what are people's thoughts on PCIE 4? I'm not interested in it for this build due to the price increase on the motherboard and the chipset fans most of the boards have, but was just curious. It doesn't seem like it'll offer a huge benefit to video cards. 😕

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GPU will be the main concern for airflow as those drive bays will block there fair share in the BQ 600 and looking at the case adding extra fans may not help that much although blocking the other fan slots in the front so that air cant just go round in circles may help a bit and maybe reduce escaping noise.

 

PCI-E 4 ay be helpful to some games for those targeting ~240FPS

 

 

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On 9/23/2019 at 9:40 PM, Dasa said:

GPU will be the main concern for airflow as those drive bays will block there fair share in the BQ 600 and looking at the case adding extra fans may not help that much although blocking the other fan slots in the front so that air cant just go round in circles may help a bit and maybe reduce escaping noise.

 

PCI-E 4 ay be helpful to some games for those targeting ~240FPS

 

 

If I were to try and seal that fan slot, would I need to buy a screen mount or something to that effect, or would a carefully secured piece of cardboard be acceptable? 😉

 

These should be my last couple of questions, the pure rock slim should still be adequate in the pb 600 if I don't manually OC, or do I need to go back to the Noctua? While the main issue is GPU airflow, it shouldn't be too big of a deal for the gaming trio x given it runs pretty coolly, should it?

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Bit of double sided tape and some cardboard should work nicely.

 

Pure rock slim should be fine but the bigger you go the slower you can run the fan.

 

The better the airflow the lower the GPU fan speed so it is a balancing act against what result sin lower noise and is it quieter at idle or load.

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8 hours ago, Dasa said:

Bit of double sided tape and some cardboard should work nicely.

 

Pure rock slim should be fine but the bigger you go the slower you can run the fan.

 

The better the airflow the lower the GPU fan speed so it is a balancing act against what result sin lower noise and is it quieter at idle or load.

 

Well, what about the price middle ground between the Noctuas $100-$130 and the Pure Rock Slim $39 of the Shadow Rock slim for $65? That raises the fan size from 95mm to 135mm.

 

Yep. The only thing is, other cases end up with noise ratings higher than the card runs in cases with good airflow going by reviews, so it's probably worth the risk of having to run the fan a bit higher considering the sound deadening, I think. I assume the slightly more space between sound card, GPU and SSD shouldn't make a big difference in cooling, as I really prefer the big heatsinks of the Mortar?

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On 9/22/2019 at 4:42 PM, Nich... said:

Is the Intel Gamer deliberately spec'd to make it higher end/performance than the AMD gamer?

Updated the title to better describe my intentions with the build

 

Bang 4 Buck Gamer

Also added some review links to help chose between GPU brands and updated the links up the top.

GPU RX 5700 8GB OC <Review $599 -OR- RX 5700 XT 8GB OC <Review $699 (2070 Super is decent value at $750 with ebay sales)

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Ordered the last of the parts today (ended up going for the PB 600 and a DRP4)! Just wanted to make a post to thank you, Dasa! Your patience was much appreciated, and you were an extraordinary help! 🙂

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House was robbed.... Glad you make these part list, great reference...  Sucks as I finally had everything the way I wanted, now not sure what parts I'll go with for a new build. 

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Oh dam.

It's kinda a bad time to go buying new high end GPU maybe just get a cheap card to screw around with and vmod or something unless there is a demanding game you really want to play in the next few months.

 

Maybe a middle ground like a reference RX 5700 8GB $299 Microcenter then stick it on water.

 

Have you thought about going big or small with the build?

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Yea I agree on the gpu.  Probably will go cheap even a 580 would probably do.  

 

Not sure if I will go tiny or large.  I did find that most of the time I wished I had more room to get cards in around tubes and such.  I side upgrade more than most just to play around.  Probably go full size atx.  I haven't built a ground up pc in years.  It has always had repurpose of parts.  I can't really say what I want to go with until I get some $$ from insurance.   Ill probably go with AMD again but might see what Intel is priced out now a days too.  The thing I like about Intel is being able to OC.  With Ryzen, it is all just with Ram and Infinity to gain.   Ill probably go water again with either setup... I have not researched AIO or separate kits from say EK in a long time.  Anyone have any good links comparing?   Probably will not put the video card under water since most run pretty cool now.  

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My sons pc was taken too, so will probably use my 2600x and Hynix ram that they didn't take.  He had an Asrock itx Fatality mb and a smaller mid atx case.  He loves rgb so will configure something for him on that too.  

 

Son's PC:

CPU:  2600x (reuse)

Cooler:  Need a cooler since I dont have one anymore, the wraith was great since it had rgb.  If I go with AMD on my build, I can use it.  

RAM:  2x 8gb EVGA SC 3200  (reuse)

Case:  Looking for something with a window and RGB lights, mid tower

PSU:  600w or less (550 B3 from EVGA he had before)  semi or full modular

GPU:  580 or 1060 (had a 580 before, guess this will depend on ebay as used is fine)

Fans:  If case doesnt have fans that are rgb

SSD:  1tb SSD, nvme will probably cost too much and this should be fine.  Any SSD would probably do. 

MB:  probably b450 or cheap x470

For this build, I do not want to go highend but more for the "bling" factor with lights.  The last case had a horrible layout and was difficult to even close the right side with all the psu cables and such (DIYPC Crystal-D2-RGB Black).   He might want the same case though as he keeps saying he doesn't want a new pc but wants his old one... Any suggestions on the above? 

 

 

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Case is really up to you but here is some places that do good reviews

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3521-nzxt-h710-case-review-brute-force-airflow

https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/chassis/136415-nzxt-h510-elite/?page=3

https://bit-tech.net/reviews/tech/cases/fractal-design-vector-rs-review/3/

 

US prices are a bit funny vs AU

The Kingston A2000 1TB was $159AU and it is $135US so it goes from a bargain here to a little expensive there

While RX 580 8GB are $300 here $120 there

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Well I came across a possible deal on ebay for a rtx 2070 super... It was priced at around the 5700xt range...  Thing is, it is a HP 2070 Super per the listing... I cannot seem to find any pictures or model information on this card.  I bought it on a chance that it really is a super model even if a blower model.  I can find a few image of a HP 2080, which per my listing looks the same.  Another weird thing is the images he uploaded had a few benchmarks but they mentioned 2080S...  So, there is some variables with this purchase, fingers crossed 🙂

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Cooler Master MWE Bronze 450W 3Y

 

Confirming that's decent enough to run my old pc (i5-750, HD5850) to replace what I hope is just a dead PSU in it from a few years back?

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Should do but as for other options this one gets you a little more power for less.
SilverStone Essential SST-ET500 500W 80+ Bronze $59


Corsair CX450 450W Bronze $75 steps up the warranty to 5 years
Antec NE550C NeoECO Classic 550W 80+ Bronze $79 only 3y warranty but 100% jap caps.

 

Tried to jump start the PSU out of the system with just a fan connected? guessing you don't have a multimeter to check the 3v rail as you can test the 5v by running the fan  at 7v from the 5v and 12v rail.

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Thanks.  Think I might go with the 5y on the Corsair from PCCG, seeing as CPL aren't stocking it or the Antec until maybe next year.

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