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Awesome builds as always DASA. I do have a few suggestions although based on history only about half of them will be of value ;)

 

For the value gamer, the G.Skill Ripjaws 1600 Cl9 2x4 GB are ~$15 cheaper (and are also 1.5v). For the High-End I'd lead towards the X-750, as you'll be running 470w+ gaming loads even with Powertune at +0% - with the build quality of the X series it'll undoubtedly handle it, but it does seem like a fair bit of stress for the PSU to be running > 70% load regularly. I read that the WD 2TB Black models have an unusually high failure rate (for all that they should be reliable as hell) - would the link but it's in French and Google translate does a bad job lol. WD could be replacing the previous design with a 3 platter model tho, am not sure - otherwise the Barracuda XT could be a safer option? Also the ASUS VG236HE 120Hz might be worthy of inclusion for gamers in your monitor list - n.b. the 'E' model is the one without the bundled 3D vision glasses.

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cheaper is better :) il just add the lower price leave the spec and remove the brand since there is some competition there

from what i can tell it should be drawing ~400w from the psu at stock but after looking at overclocked power use and with the possibility of unlocking to 6970 im inclined to agree its worth the extra $20 for the 750w

it may be possible to draw up to 750w from the psu running linpack and fur at the same time with 1.5v 5ghz oc on the cpu and two 6970

2600k with one 6950 system should draw ~110 from the psu under cpu load which could jump to ~180w with 4.9ghz 1.525v

 

cant find that monitor in aus without the 3d glasses

found this one but if your spending that much id rather spend the extra on the 27" dell and if your to competitive for that your probably better of with a crt :\

BenQ XL2410T 23.6 Inch Widescreen LED Monitor 120Hz$499

this one isnt badly prices and is 16:10

Samsung 2233RZ 22" Widescreen 120Hz LCD Monitor 1680x1050 3ms 249

 

il look into the hdd

going by what iv read we should be suggesting intel ssd over sandforce as far as reliability goes

 

your thoughts?

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cheaper is better :) il just add the lower price leave the spec and remove the brand since there is some competition there

from what i can tell it should be drawing ~400w from the psu at stock but after looking at overclocked power use and with the possibility of unlocking to 6970 im inclined to agree its worth the extra $20 for the 750w

it may be possible to draw up to 750w from the psu running linpack and fur at the same time with 1.5v 5ghz oc on the cpu and two 6970

2600k with one 6950 system should draw ~110 from the psu under cpu load which could jump to ~180w with 4.9ghz 1.525v

 

cant find that monitor in aus without the 3d glasses

found this one but if your spending that much id rather spend the extra on the 27" dell and if your to competitive for that your probably better of with a crt :\

BenQ XL2410T 23.6 Inch Widescreen LED Monitor 120Hz$499

this one isnt badly prices and is 16:10

Samsung 2233RZ 22" Widescreen 120Hz LCD Monitor 1680x1050 3ms 249

 

il look into the hdd

going by what iv read we should be suggesting intel ssd over sandforce as far as reliability goes

 

your thoughts?

Glad to help with the memory :) SSD wise, I've heard some negatives about both drives (occasional bricking etc) but TBH I don't know enough to really have an opinion - SSDs are something I'm fascinated with right now tho, so will be keeping my ear to the ground.

 

For the monitor- even the most competitive gamer is pretty unlikely to buy one CRT now IMHO, but given the tiny input lag of the ASUS and overall good quality of the panel it seems like competitive gamers do now have a good 120Hz option. Also apparently the difference is very visible and is a significant image quality step (back) up for even casual gamers. The Anantech review is worth a read if you get the chance, however as I'm a bit of a twitch FPS gamer (I dislike 16:10 but I'm considering one) I might be biased lol. Am happy to look at the XL2410 (remember hearing good things such as it being actual 120Hz) if you do think it might be worth it?

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just found this neat monitor test http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/response_time...sponse_time_gif

my u2711 dose fairly well but its input lag is still ~15-65ms vs a crt not great but better than my 2405fpw although i had to run the monitors outside there native res which probably doesnt help

 

looks like anantech sure like that asus monitor but at $630au it just seems way to high for what it is to me

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Yeah the U2711 is definitely a monitor I've drooled at - though in NZ it's very expensive. If lag is of interest Face-To-Face is a great site for comparisons of IQ and lag (it gives the U2711 a pretty decent ~23ms avg lag). If/when the ASUS without 3D glasses is released in Aus it should be ~$450, still dear but a bit more sane.

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I considered the ASUS but it's ridiculous that they are forcing you to buy $150 glasses with it. Glad I went with a Dell, I really cant notice lag but then i'm probably not "progamer" enough.

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Wish there was something in between Value Gamer and High End. That would be real nifty.

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Wish there was something in between Value Gamer and High End. That would be real nifty.

in what way?

probably the best thing i could do with it is add ud4 and or a asus 8x8x pci-e mb as a option which could save ~$150 rest are mostly just extras you dont have to get them

 

 

im kinda suprised no one has told me to add a nvidia card to the list yet and although it is tempting at times i feal they are just to far behind with value at the moment but im considerring adding gtx 570\580 as a option for the high end rig today

been reworking a few things today updating prices ect.

biggest change sofar is out with the atom and in with bobcat

 

Bobcat very low power use and great for most home\office use

MB\CPU\GPU ASRock E350M1-USB3 $153 - OR - Gigabyte GA-E350N-USB3 Motherboard $179

RAM 2g 1333 $19 - OR - Corsair CMV4GX3M1A1333C9 4GB (1x4GB) DDR3 $49

DVD Slim SATA DVD-RW $45

CASE\PS Antec ISK300-65 $95

HDD Samsung SpinPoint MP4 HM640JJ 640GB $79

Some other 2.5" HDD

Western Digital Scorpio Black WD7500BPKT 750GB $139

Sandforce 60g ssd $139

TOTAL $391-586

 

Atom should only use ~20-40w and be fast enough for most home\office tasks

MB\CPU\GPU Asus AT5NM10-I MiniITX Atom D510 $124

RAM 2G stick $23 - OR - 4G Kit-800 $69

CASE\PSU Antec ISK300-65 -Mini-ITX Case with 65W adapter $93

DVD Slim SATA DVD-RW $49

HDD 2.5" Western Digital Scorpio Black WD3200BEKT 320GB $69

TOTAL $380-419

some other 2.5" hdd

500GB Western Digital Scorpio Black WD5000BEKT SATA II 7200RPM 16MB $84

OCZ Vertex 2 60GB E Series SSD $138

Seagate Momentus XT ST95005620AS 500GB $141

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Is the low budget gamer PC2 upgradable in the near future like with graphics card and CPU?

Thanks

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Is the low budget gamer PC2 upgradable in the near future like with graphics card and CPU?

Thanks

gpu is upgradeable as pci-e 16x slots look like being the standard for a while yet

but the cpu not so much although there is quad core cpu's available that will work in it like i5 760 and i7 870 intel probably wont bring a new cpu out for the 1156 socket

but when mb are so cheap if you want to upgrade the cpu in the future its only ~$100-200 for a new mb to go with it and possibly ram depending on how far down the track you upgrade

keep in mind i cant predict the future :)

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First I thought I might be able to afford the i5 but now I have to think about getting something a little cheaper which is the i3. Is the i3 gamer box recommended on the first page would be enough to play the latest games with good game flow and decent graphics for the latest games eg. call of duty, civ v, star craft II, dragon age II etc. If so, what websites would you recommend to hunt down for the parts at a good price and would it be possible to take the parts to the computer shop and they would put it together for you ( for a fee) or do you have to buy the parts from the computer shop and they custom build it for you?

 

The reason Im asking is that I never built a computer before and would rather get it custom built by a proffesional that knows what they doing.

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StaticICE for price and parts search. And IMHO you should have a go at assembling your own computer, It's not as hard as you think. Check this thread. :)

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is there a place for a build like this?

 

office build for those that want more speed than the Bobcat and have the cash

Intel Core i3 2100 3.1GHz $139 (if you want to save a smidge of power Intel Core i3 2100T 2.5GHz $165) (if you want a quad Intel Core i5 2500 3.3GHz $219)

(2x4GB) DDR3 1333 $85

Sandforce 60g ssd $139 - OR - OCZ Vertex 3 120GB SSD $329

pioneer 219 $39 - OR - Pioneer BDR-206 Blu-Ray Disc Writer $135

Seasonic X-400 Fanless Gold 400W $179

two choices for mb\case for those who want somthing small and then one for those that want a few extra slots

ASUS P8H67-I Deluxe Mini ITX Motherboard B3 $165 & Lian Li PC-Q11 $128

Gigabyte GA-H67MA-UD2H-B3 $143 & Fractal Design Define Mini $135 (2500k with a p67 and a gpu could go nice in this case for those who want to oc)

$859-1240

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TBH I'd say that it'd be of use to the odd person, but it's not that different enough to warrant it's own section - people should more or less be able to infer a very similar build from your existing ones IMO.

 

One thing I noticed price wise having just put together a Phenom II X4 840 system - the CPU is the same price or cheaper than the Athlon II X4 640 as in your 'number cruncher', with a little more speed (3.2 vs 3.0 GHz), albeit it's otherwise identical. Seems like a weird use of the Phenom name given its lack of any L3 cache, but still an extra 200MHz for free is always nice :)

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yer amd announced a price drop on a number of chips a shot while ago i was wondering when it would start to filter threw to au and with the 955 now available for under $130 and 1055t $175 1100t $230 its probably not even worth mentioning the cheaper chips

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thats a beasty looking hsf

looks like it offers much the same performance as the silver arrow but dose it with slower fans

fixes the arrow\d-14 problem of blocking tallish ramsinks but may interfere with some vrm hs

it will be interesting to see some more tests with how it works in a case and with 2-3 faster fans

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Dasa, just a heads up that Gigabyte are going to drop the P67 and H67 chipsets for the Z68 chipset very soon. Given the nature of the Z68 chipset, it seems that it is quite a logical choice to make. Plus, we've had some rumblings that we are to clear the P67/H67 stock soon... >>

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thanks for the heads up

funny that there was a rumour they would then they wouldnt now they are :)

 

wonder what my chances of getting a z68 replacement are if i rma this first revision p67-ud4 in a few months... going by my track record i will just get a refurbished p67 no matter how long i wait

 

shame all 1156 stock is quickly disappearing to as it leaves no cheap overclockable systems from intel for the moment

i have been eyeing of some z68 itx mb that are coming to the market http://www.itxgamer.com/motherboards/zotac...-itx-previewed/

along with seasonic x platinum 860 1050 1250 http://www.techpowerup.com/146821/SeaSonic...dular-PSUs.html

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Unfortunately, it seems Intel is only going for the 2500K and the 2600K as the overclocking market. I don't think cheap and overclockable is in Intel's market now...

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made some z68 styled changes to the main build

found these reviews for the asrock mb

 

managed 4.9ghz same cpu managed 130mhz more with another mb

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4084/asro...iew/index3.html

but after reading this i hate to think ho hot the vrm were getting at 4.9ghz 1.4v+

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/ASR...herboard/1280/6

 

Value Gamer

CPU Intel Core i5 2500K 3.3GHz $215

MB ASRock Z68 Pro3 B3 $137 (suitable for low vcore 24\7 oc and a single gpu) - OR - GA-Z68X-UD3P-B3 $208

RAM 1600 CL8 8GB (2x4GB) 1.5v $105

GPU 5770 1GB $119 - OR - 6850 1g $166 - OR - 6870 1g $199 - OR - 6950 2G $269 - OR - 6970 2G $339 (imo 6950 is the minimum you should get if you intend to keep it a while)

HDD Samsung 1TB Spinpoint F3 SATA II 7200RPM 32M $57

SSD OCZ Agility 3 60GB $149 (optional setup as Intel SRT cache )

DVD DVD SATA $26

PSU Seasonic X-560 Gold $175 (suitable for a single gpu)

CASE Antec Three Hundred $55

HSF CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ $33 - OR - Thermalright Silver Arrow $89 (tall ram sinks will probably block large hsf install)

TOTAL $922-1418

 

 

edit

just noticed the gtx560 ti 1g price has dropped enough to give it a place in the builds hopefully it stays that low since only msy has it listed at that so far

 

updated a few more bits and pieces along with the monitors

 

Acer 20" LED 5MS 600x900 D-SUB DVI $89 TN centrecom

Samsung 20" S20A300B LED 5MS 1600x900 D-SUB DVI $109 19W typical ~0.3w sleep TN

ASUS VH238H 23in Widescreen LED Monitor $185 25W 0.5w TN

Dell UltraSharp U2211H 21.5" 1920x1080 8ms DVI-D DP $289 22W typical <1w Sleep IPS

Dell UltraSharp U2311H 23" 1920x1080 8ms 33W typical <1w sleep $299 IPS

BenQ XL2410T 23.6" 120Hz 2ms DVI HDMI $459 LED 40w max <2w sleep TN (a monitor for gamers that want somthing quicker than the average lcd)

Dell U2410 UltraSharp 1920x1200 6ms $679 75W typical IPS

Dell UltraSharpTM U2711 27” 2560 x 1440 6ms HDMI DVI-D DP $799 113W typical <2w sleep IPS

Dell UltraSharp™ U3011 30" 2560x1600 7ms $1699 IPS 110W typical 250w max <2w sleep IPS

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updated two of the amd builds with mb that are supposed to have support for 8 core cpu's

 

Low Budget Gamer 1

CPU AMD Athlon II X2 255 3.1GHz 2x1MB Cache 65w $61 - OR - Phenom II x4 955 3.2GHz 8MB $115

MB ASRock 970 Extreme4 4+1 Phase $115 - OR - Gigabyte GA-990FXA 8+2 Phase $168

RAM 2x4g 1600 $59

GPU 6670 1g $77 - OR - 6770 1G $117 - OR - 6850 1G $166 - OR - GTX560 Ti 1G $199 - OR - 6950 2G $269

HDD samsung 1TB F3 $57

DVD sata dvd $23

PSU Antec Neo Eco 520C $67

CASE Antec Three Hundred $59

HSF CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ $33 (optional)

TOTAL $518-$850

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will you update the budget builds with the A8-3850 or are you going to wait for motherboard reviews, because it seems like the perfect budget chip however it does need a socket.

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from what i have seen its not that great

Phenom II x4 955 3.2GHz 8MB $115 seems to be a faster cpu for a similer price other than the igp but the igp is barely fast enough for gaming your better of sinking a bit more cash into a better gpu

i only glanced over some reviews though do i need to take another look? perhaps you have seen some you would like to link

otherwise its price probably needs to drop a fair bit to get in

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