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they did have a 5 year warranty but they scraped it when a lot of drives started to fail... but on the up side seagate drives are cheaper now

 

the 7200.12 dosent do as well in this rview but then the review was before release so firmware may have improved performance a bit

http://techreport.com/articles.x/16472/5

 

there is a detailed review here

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/storage/d...b-2tb-hdds.html

 

 

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change case\psu from antec nsk 430w on budget builds since its price keeps going up to

PSU 525W Enermax 82+ $125 -OR- Silverstone 500W St50F $75 (one is qulity other is cheap)

CASE Gigabyte GZ-X $50

and updated the prices

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Just came back from a study camp for three days... Then I went on facebook... So I heard Corsair are building cases and cooling products.

 

http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=...LzYG&ref=mf

 

http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=...LzYG&ref=mf

 

Haha Dasa, you should plan to make a "Corsair Computer" XD

 

Its starting to appear on their website too...

 

I hope this comes around soon.

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expanded on the cooling side of things

 

 

CPU hsf's

Xigmatek HDT-S1283 $55

Cogage Thermalright TRUE Spirit $59

Scythe Mugen 2 $79

 

Fan's

D12SM-12 Yate Loon 120x25mm 0.30A 1650RPM 70.5CFM 33dB $9.95 (great value)

Yate Loon 140mm D14SL-12: 1000RPM 46.9CFM 25dBA .7Amp $12

Scythe S-FLEX 120mm 1600rpm / 63.7CFM / 28.0dBA / 0.20A. $26 (very quiet just a bit of a woosh from the air)

Scythe S-FLEX 120mm 1900rpm / 75CFM /35.0dBA / 0.24A $26

Scythe gentle typhoon 1850RPM / 0.083A / 28dBA / 98 m³/h / 57CFM $27 (high pressure low power draw and low air-noise but has some bearing-noise)

Scythe Ultra Kaze 120mm Fan 2000rpm / 87.63CFM / 32.91dBA $21 (powerful)

Scythe Kaze Maru 140mm 1200rpm 61.3CFM at 26dBA $27

 

WATERCOOLING PARTS

EK-Supreme LT - Acetal 775 1366 $57.05

Swiftech MCW60 VGA Waterblock $64 (depends on gpu and will need hs on mem\pwm but this is a flexible good value\performance block)

Swiftech MCP355 Pump $99

XSPC Laing DDC Top/Reservoir Combo $49.95 (optional increases pump performance)

Swiftech MCR320-QP Radiator $109

$329-379+ extras

 

HEATKILLER® CPU Rev3.0 1366 $119

Swiftech MCW60 VGA Waterblock $64 (depends on gpu and will need hs on mem\pwm but this is a flexible good value\performance block)

Swiftech MCP655-B 12V Pump $129

Primochill Typhoon III mcp655-res for dual loops $?New

~$312+ rads and extras

 

some good radiators to chose from you will want two

TFC Xchanger - Double Radiator 240 $109

Swiftech MCR320-QP Radiator $109

TFC Xchanger - Quad Radiator 480 $179

ThermoChill PA120.4 Radiator $199.50

ThermoChill PA140.3 Radiator$209.50

 

extra costs to the above

barbs

clamps

fans

7/16" ID tubing works well as it is a snug fit over 1/2" barbs but is more flexible than 1/2" tube but both are ok

if you dont get a res to save space\cost you will want a T piece

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Dasa, you might want to replace the Phenom II X2 550BE in the cheap section and replace that with the Athlon II X2 250. Basically, it's just a 550 without the unlocked multi and Lv3 cache. Should be a good cheap dual core and costs only $115 so that saves an extra $20.

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Dasa, you might want to replace the Phenom II X2 550BE in the cheap section and replace that with the Athlon II X2 250. Basically, it's just a 550 without the unlocked multi and Lv3 cache. Should be a good cheap dual core and costs only $115 so that saves an extra $20.

It's an interesting difference... the loss of cache (and the 100MHz extra clock) does have a pretty signifcant (10% drop in FPS for gaming) effect on performance:

 

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=97&p2=96

 

That having been said, the 250 runs a bit cooler, and although it has a locked multi in good hands it tends to overclock a tad further than the 550 (~3.9 vs ~3.8). For gaming I might still tend towards the 550 for the extra cache.

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yer it may be worth putting in the 250 its a good cpu but the l3 cache dose help games performance a fair bit and $20 isnt much imo

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/displ...x2_9.html#sect0

hmm not that much difference and 250 is clocked lower i didnt realise the 250 had more l2 cache

what about the x3 is it worth it?

But if you note the graphs, the difference between the Athlon II X2 and the Phenom II X2 is barely a few percent which isn't worth it unless you're truly gunning for maximum performance. Yeah, $20 doesn't sound like much but that difference for an extra shot of performance isn't worth it for this performance bracket. After all, who's going to be using a possible $500/600 max computer for anyway? That's the key of it. The Athlon II can do most multi-tasking so it sounds reasonable in comparison to the older 7750 or the 7850.

 

I would position the Phenom II to be at least a low budget gaming (in the case for the X2) to about mid range (using the X3).

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550 is ~9% faster in games and costs ~17% more so yer 250 is better value but there really isnt much in it

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http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1036/1/

The smxc beast is unleashing into the wild!

This Corsair case will live up to the standards of Lian Li and Silverstone.

$299 USD... >.<

= $450+ here when it actually comes here.

looks like a beautifull case with just small 3 flaws that i can see

there is a lack of inflow one 140mm fan although the rear fan could be turned to make in inflow then with a rad and 3 exhausts on the top would probably work out fairly well but you might want to add a dust filter to the rear fan

while a mount spot for a 3x120 rad is great why not go a bit further and make it able to handle 4x120 or 3x140 as the case seems to have the room but thats nothing a little hacking away wouldnt fix

price but then its one hell of a case

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Haha Dasa... I'm sure people who like the look of this case can afford a few Delta fans :P

I like the rubbery part around the cable management holes.

By the way, have you seen the Raven on sale?

I so like the RV01 better IMO.

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a lot of people go with water and expensive cases to avoid noise :)

yer the raven has a few internal similaritys to a case layout i did while mucking around a while back but im not a fan of the outside of the case

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Some useful threads

 

Water cooling

http://forums.atomicmpc.com.au/index.php?showtopic=6771

Thank you very much dasa, this is the exactly link i was finding.

 

So many useful information. Thanks alot. Appreciate Thx

 

glad its of use

 

updated this build

Cheap quad

CPU Phenom II 955 3.2GHz $273

MB\GPU Gigabyte GA-MA785GT-UD3H $135

RAM 2x2g 1600 $99

 

should be a nice improvement over 940 - 780g - ddr2 800 just costs ~$50 more

 

 

looks like its time to retire the old value gamer build and replace it with i5

 

Value gamer old

CPU E8400 $216

MB Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3L DDR2 $137

RAM 800 4-4-4 2x2g $80

GPU HD4890 1GB oc 900\4000 $258

HDD 1TB 7200RPM 32M $109

DVD PIONEER 218 $45

HSF Xigmatek HDT-S1283 $50

CASE Antec Three Hundred $95

PSU Corsair HX450W $119

TOTAL $1109

swap to these parts if you wish to use crossfire

MB DFI LanParty-LT X48-T2R $205

PSU 625W Enermax EMD625AWT MODU82+ $159 2 gpu's

 

Value gamer new

CPUi5 750 LGA1156 2.66Ghz 8Mb $289

MB Gigabyte GA-P55-UD3 $168

RAM 2x2g 1600 $99

GPU HD4890 1GB oc 900\4000 $258

HDD 1TB 7200 32M $109

DVD PIONEER 218 $45

PSU Corsair HX450W $119

Noctua NH-U12P SE $95

$1182

swap to these parts if you wish to use crossfire or sli

MB Gigabyte GA-P55-UD4P $237

625W Enermax EMD625AWT MODU82+ $175 2 gpu's

 

not looking to bad?

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well the cheap quad and small pc's are along those lines the cheap build could be good to

feel free to list another for me to consider

 

perhaps a bit more guidance could be gicven to a more suitable case and cooling for a media setup?

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well the cheap quad and small pc's are along those lines

feel free to list another for me to consider

Wouldn't HTPCs be more like sound orientated based (e.g. Sound Cards)

Blu-Ray maybe depending on Full HDTV. TV Tuners?

Cases get quite different... different budgets would buy different things.

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mm there is a lot of variance there

some want a small pc so there is only room for a tuner in a itx build not a sound card m-atx is fine though

and i dont know a lot about current sound cards or tuners other than the cost ot hem varies greatly as dose the quality of sound cards if the speakers\amp are up to it

 

if you have a good amp then probably all you need is to use hdmi out for sound from the gpu or digital from the onboard card

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yer shame the rating is as accurate as calling a 280w generic psu a 650w psu

see if you can compare them to some other fans

 

im betting they wouldnt be much quieter than the likes of this

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_p...roducts_id=6020

32.91dBA / 87.63CFM / DC12V / 0.25A (2000rpm version)

but the cm fan would have less pressure

 

you really cant beat this fan in any situation that needs a little pressure without to much noise

Scythe Gentle Typhoon 120mm Fan 1850rpm

1850RPM / 0.083A / 28dBA / 98 m³/h / 57CFM.

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Hey, why is it that people keep suggesting the Corsair HX450W power supply in builds with the Raedon 4890, when Atomic keeps mentioning that the suggested minimum is 500W?

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450-500w there really isnt much difference

500w is just considered a safe figure that allows for different pc parts and cheaper psu

take a look here for the gpu power usage http://forums.atomicmpc.com.au/index.php?showtopic=264

total system power draw will generally be around 300w under load for a mild overclock on a i7 with a single high end gpu

 

the hx 450 is cheap for a psu that has a 7 year warranty and good efficiency

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made a few changes and added some alternative cases

Lian Li Lancool Dark Armor K62 $158

SilverStone Raven RV02 $199

Antec P183 $208

SilverStone TJ07 $379

Corsair Obsidian Series 800D $399

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$399 T_T I want the price to come down.

I'd shove it in a new rig if I spend over 2k anyways.

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