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I'm wondering if it might be good to move to the GA-X58A-UD9 for the 'insanity build', for USB 3 + SATA III purposes? In either case a move to the Lian-Li PC-P80B for this build would allow a gap between each of the three GTX 480's, or even quad SLI, due to the 10 expansion ports fitting the XL-ATX form factor of both boards better...

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I'm wondering if it might be good to move to the GA-X58A-UD9 for the 'insanity build', for USB 3 + SATA III purposes? In either case a move to the Lian-Li PC-P80B for this build would allow a gap between each of the three GTX 480's, or even quad SLI, due to the 10 expansion ports fitting the XL-ATX form factor of both boards better...

thanks for the tips looks good

hmm some of the new lianli cases specify support for usb3

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Hey, can't find a link that goes into it, but I'm thinking the GA-X58A-UD3R might not be an idea choice for the 'High End' build with a multi-GPU setup due to its PLX-less implementation of SATA III/USB3. Basically in Crossfire/SLI it ends up jumping down the speed of both x16 lanes to x8 to get the extra bandwidth for those controller chips. The PLX on the ASUS P6X58D-E (about $40 more than the UD3R) avoids having to use the graphics lane switches and thus keeps both slots at full x16.

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this review suggests the asus mb may suffer from a similar problem

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?opti...p;limitstart=16

Cons:

- SATA6G/USB3 borrow from PCI-E link lanes

 

from what i can remember from reading other gygabyte mb reviews they had a setting that allowed you to set if you wanted to use the extra pci-e lanes to improve usb3\sata3 performance but it still worked ok without them just not to its full potential

not sure if the x58a-ud3r has that setting and i cant remember just how bad the performance hit was there really isnt much in the way of good reviews for these mb

 

the asus mb may be worth tossing in as a option though may try find some more reviews of similar models later

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Hmm. That review is wrong in saying that the X58 NB delivers 32 PCIe 2.0 lanes (it puts out 36) - which makes me wonder whether it has the PLX chip or not - was told all of ASUS' X58 boards and higher end P55 ones had the PLX. That might have been wrong though; I'll have a look around and see if I can get a definitive answer about how it sources its USB 3 / SATA III lanes.

 

EDIT: this review suggests that the P6X58D has its add on chips connected via a PLX, however I can't see the chip itself.

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ok there was a bunch of parts that were being phased out for a small revision so i have gone threw it and updated

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Dasa, just wanted to let you know that the 905e doesn't really exist in retail channels. You can try sourcing them but you'll probably get a polite no from AMD>

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shame it never became available in aus

i thought some us stores had stock for a while

i suppose that build was getting dated anyway how dose this look for a replacement?

 

Athlon II X2 245 - OR - Phenom II x4 945 (Quad Core 3.0GHz/8MB/95W/45nm) $159 - OR - AMD Phenom II X6 (95w model only) $TBA

ASUS M4A88T-I-DELUXE 880G + SB710 Chipset, Integrated Radeon HD4250, USB3.0, SATA3.0 $189

Corsair CMSO2GX3M1A1333C9 2GB PC-10600 SODIMM $56 x2 - OR - Corsair CMSO4GX3M1A1333C9 4GB PC-10600 SODIMM $116 x2

1TB 7200 32M samsung f3 $79

Silverstone Slim Blue-ray $159

Silverstone SG05 $109

$768-927

 

i just hope the 95w x6 becomes available in aus unlike the 65w x4

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Hey, can't find a link that goes into it, but I'm thinking the GA-X58A-UD3R might not be an idea choice for the 'High End' build with a multi-GPU setup due to its PLX-less implementation of SATA III/USB3. Basically in Crossfire/SLI it ends up jumping down the speed of both x16 lanes to x8 to get the extra bandwidth for those controller chips. The PLX on the ASUS P6X58D-E (about $40 more than the UD3R) avoids having to use the graphics lane switches and thus keeps both slots at full x16.

Only if you use 3 gpus, if you use a dual gpu setup both run at 16x

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well the insanity build felt kinda inadequate next to the new beast so i have taken the perfection which is in the beast and tweaked it a tad to my liking

 

Intel Xeon X5680 x2 $4238

EVGA Classified SR-2 (Super Record 2) - EK Liquid Cooled Full Coverage $799.95us http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/evclsrsre2.html

Mach Xtreme 8GB (2x4G) Armor X DDR3 2000Mhz x3 $1437

EVGA NVIDIA GTX480 SC, 726c\3800m x4 $2697.20

OCZ Vertex 2 3.5" 480GB E Series SSD x3 $5487

Pioneer BDR-205 Blu-ray $199

Silverstone Strider 1500W ST1500 $379

Lian Li PC-V2120B $600

 

Waterblocks

EK-Supreme HF - Full Nickel - Rev 2 x2 $177.90us

Nickel Acetal waterblock for GeForce 480 GTX - EK-FC480 GTX x4 $443.80us

EK-FC480 GTX Backplate - Nickel plated x4 $119.80us

Rads

ThermoChill PA120.4 4x120mm $134.95us (gpu's carve a hole in the top, vent out)

ThermoChill PA140.3 3x140mm $129.95us (cpu's rip out hdd bays carve out front for third 140mm fan, air inlet)

ThermoChill PA120.1 1x120mm $69.95us (chipset rear fan)

Pumps

Laing D5 12V Variable Speed Pump x3 $387

Fans

Scythe SFF21E 49 CFM S-FLEX 120mm Quiet FAN x5 $60.00

Extras

Tygon R3400 1/2in. ID 3/4in. OD Laboratory Tubing # AAE00038 4m $12.02us

Tygon R3400 7/16in. ID 9/16in. OD Laboratory Tubing # AAE00032 2m $3.90us

Breeze Miniature Hose Clamp 7/16 in. to 25/32 in. 100/$33us

to many fittings for me to bother counting

 

obviously this build is insane in price and acquiring\assembling parts but if you can afford it you can also afford paying me a shitload to put it together and train a trunk monkey to keep an eye on it monitoring fluid levels clubbing geeks that get to close and such

 

 

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modified the small pc 2 build to show another itx case\psu option

DVD Blu-Ray SATA $69

PSU Seasonic X-400 Fanless Gold 400W $179

CASE Lian Li PC-Q08B $159

HSF Scythe Big Shuriken $49 (optional & should fit i think...)

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shame it never became available in aus

i thought some us stores had stock for a while

i suppose that build was getting dated anyway how dose this look for a replacement?

 

Athlon II X2 245 - OR - Phenom II x4 945 (Quad Core 3.0GHz/8MB/95W/45nm) $159 - OR - AMD Phenom II X6 (95w model only) $TBA

ASUS M4A88T-I-DELUXE 880G + SB710 Chipset, Integrated Radeon HD4250, USB3.0, SATA3.0 $189

Corsair CMSO2GX3M1A1333C9 2GB PC-10600 SODIMM $56 x2 - OR - Corsair CMSO4GX3M1A1333C9 4GB PC-10600 SODIMM $116 x2

1TB 7200 32M samsung f3 $79

Silverstone Slim Blue-ray $159

Silverstone SG05 $109

$768-927

 

i just hope the 95w x6 becomes available in aus unlike the 65w x4

The 95W TDP X6 you're talking about is probably the 1055T. However, the problem with this one is that the 125W TDP is also being sold alongside it. The only way to tell is to look at the machine markings. HDT55TWFGRBOX is the 95W, HDT55TFBGRBOX is the 125W.

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AMD did just release about 4 more cpus are fews weeks back (im not sure what there called but are in the x6 and x4 range)

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Im pretty sure the X4 970 and the X6 1075t were realeased recently. Not sure about another 2.

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shuffled things around again and added a new build

 

Top Gun to cheesy?

CPU i7-980 $1375 or ~$999 from ebay\import

MB EVGA Intel X58 SLI3 Motherboard 131-GT-E767-TR $279

RAM OCZ DDR3 PC3-12800 Platinum 3x2GB OCZ3P1600LV6GK $175

GPU GTX480 x2 $1058

SSD OCZ Vertex 2 3.5" 120GB E Series SSD $289

HDD Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB $206

Blu Pioneer BDR-205 $139

HSF Thermalright Silver Arrow $109

PSU Corsair AX850 $255

CASE CoolerMaster HAF 932 $179

TOTAL $4064

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Also, with the release of the 6870/6850, I saw at work that the GTX 460 768MB and as well as the 1GB dropping in prices so you might want to update this?

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Also, with the release of the 6870/6850, I saw at work that the GTX 460 768MB and as well as the 1GB dropping in prices so you might want to update this?

yep it was due for a little update i was just giving it a week hoping prices would settle

looks like gtx 460 have only dropped ~$15 5850 on the other hand has dropped ~$90 do you think we may expect much more of a change in prices? the 68#0 are still ~$50 more than they should be going by us prices

also added this ram to a few builds Corsair 4GB DDR3 1600MHz CL 7 $109ea

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ATM, work seems to indicate that prices for the 6870 and 6850 are steady but the biggest drops are the 58*0 series as they want to clear them out ASAP.

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As far as fans go Noctua NH-P12's are good cpu cooler fans. I've heard Noiseblockers are rather good too as quiet fans. Could easily go along-side the S-Flex's.

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As far as fans go Noctua NH-P12's are good cpu cooler fans. I've heard Noiseblockers are rather good too as quiet fans. Could easily go along-side the S-Flex's.

noctua fans are ok but i think you can get better fans for less

i hadnt really looked at noiseblockers in the past though and they do look fairly decent so thanks for the tip

 

here is a few good 120mm fan reviews i found if your interested

http://www.madshrimps.be/articles/article/936/

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/d...ndup.html#sect0

and some 140mm fans

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/d...an-roundup.html

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Cheers. I've read a fair few fan reviews. That's not just my personal opinion (though my opinion is guided mostly by reviews in this case).

 

Noctua simply provide very quiet ball-bearing fans with a high MTBF. For me that's reason enough to pay the same amount you pay for the S-Flex's. Anyone who says noctuas don't push much air is simply comparing them to considerably louder fans. The xbitlabs review also has the NF-P12 running at 900 (not 1300rpm). Unusual.

 

TY-140's look really hot in the review's I've read too. Better than the 140mm Noctua ones (whatever they're called).

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xbit tests the NF-S12B which is a fairly open fin low pressure fan not the NF-P12

unfortunately i havent been able to find a good review of the p12 fan that compares it to some other decent fans and comments on forums about them range from raving about how great they are to bagging the crap out of them and a number of posts suggesting they have some vibration problems

at the end of the day they cost a few $ more than the s-flex and the gentle typhoon even though they may be as good perhaps even better to some as people find different tones made by some fans more annoying than others do

 

but if you can find any reviews of the p12 id like to see them :)

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Whilst on the topic of fans. It might be worth adding the Nexus Real Silent 120mm to the list for the cost and how quiet that are they are a really nice fan you can pick them up from PCCG for $12.50. I've got 5 of them in my R2 and they do a great job of keeping everything cool and quiet.

 

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_p...roducts_id=4561

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Whilst on the topic of fans. It might be worth adding the Nexus Real Silent 120mm to the list for the cost and how quiet that are they are a really nice fan you can pick them up from PCCG for $12.50. I've got 5 of them in my R2 and they do a great job of keeping everything cool and quiet.

 

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_p...roducts_id=4561

Only just read about these earlier tonight in a review. Seem to be lovely fans. About as good as value for money goes for a quiet fan it seems. Second the nice tip :p

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the value gamer and high end builds have just been updated to sandy

so if anyone has some input on these whether its something i missed or something you would do different would be good thanks

 

 

the old

 

Value Gamer

CPU LGA1156 i3-550 3.2GHz,4MB, 32nm $129 - OR - i5 760 2.8GHz 8Mb (Best value) $211 - OR - i7 870 2.93GHz 8MB $314 if you can make use of HT

MB Gigabyte GA-P55-USB3 $128 - OR - GA-P55A-UD3R (sata3) $154

RAM Corsair 4GB DDR3 1600MHz CL 7 $109ea (you want two sticks for dual channel but one is ok for a start) - OR - Corsair 8GB (2x 4GB) DDR3 2000MHz CL 9 DDR3 XMS3 (CMX8GX3M2A2000C9) $201

GPU 5770 1GB $139 - OR - 6850 1g $198 - OR - 6870 1g $268 - OR - 6950 2G $329

HDD 1TB 7200 32M samsung f3 $59

DVD PIONEER 218 $30

PSU Seasonic X-560 Gold $179

CASE Antec Three Hundred $59

HSF CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ $39 - OR - Thermalright Silver Arrow $109

TOTAL $871-1538

Swap to these parts if you wish to use crossfire or sli

MB ASUS P7P55D-E PRO $204 CF-SLI

Corsair AX-850 $255 (not needed for two 6870 but suitable for anything above that)

 

There has been a lot of people having trouble choosing between 1156 (i5 750 / i7 860) and 1366 (i7 920) so a quick run down on main differences

1156 uses less power is a little cheaper and better for non overclockers its main down side is for those who want to use crossfire\sli as it only has 2x8 pci-e which can limit performance a little

1366 has two full speed 16x pci-e slots may do a bit better when pushing for a high overclock it has triple channel memory but this provides next to no benefit in most things

 

High End

CPU i7-950 3.06Ghz $317

MB GA-X58A UD3R $228 - OR - Asus P6X58D-E $239

RAM 3x2GB 1600CL 7-7-7-24 $175 - OR - 12GB DDR3 Corsair CMX12GX3M3A2000C9 2000MHz CL9-10-9-27 (3x4GB) $319

HDD OCZ Vertex 2 120GB E Series SSD $249 (Optional) & 1TB F3 7200RPM 32M $59

DVD Samsung Blu-ray $57

HSF Thermalright Silver Arrow $109

CASE Lian Li Lancool Dark Armor K60 $112

PSU Corsair AX-850 $255 2 gpu's

TOTAL $1312-1572+gpu's (GTX460 1g\6850\6870\6950 2g\580 would be my pic)

 

 

and the new

 

 

Value Gamer

CPU Intel Core i5 2500K 3.3GHz $269

MB GA-P67A-UD3R $169

RAM Corsair Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 8GB (2x4GB) 1.5v, $137

GPU 5770 1GB $128 - OR - 6850 1g $198 - OR - 6870 1g $259 - OR - 6950 2G $329

HDD Samsung 1TB Spinpoint F3 SATA II 7200RPM 32M $57

DVD Samsung SH-B123A/RSBP 12 X Blu-Ray Combo SATA $59

PSU Seasonic X-560 Gold $179

CASE Antec Three Hundred $55

HSF CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ $31 - OR - Thermalright Silver Arrow $109

TOTAL $1054-1333

 

High End

CPU i7 2600K LGA1155 3.4Ghz $384

MB GA-P67A-UD7 $369

RAM Corsair Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 $179

GPU 6950 2G x2 $658

SSD OCZ Vertex 2 3.5" 120GB E Series SSD $249

HDD Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB WD2002FAEX $219

DVD Samsung SH-B123A/RSBP 12 X Blu-Ray Combo SATA $59

PSU Seasonic X-650 Gold $199

CASE Fractal Design Define R3 Black $139

HSF Thermalright Silver Arrow $109

Fans Thermalright TY-140 Silent Fan x4 $60 & DEMCi Flex Fan Filter 140mm Black x2 $19 (bottom\side inlet, top outlet & swap rear fan to front inlet)

TOTAL $2643

 

 

edit added some extra fans to the high end build

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