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Heroes, superheroes and the banhammer

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Our ranking system here has undergone many changes over the years, and I've got to say, we're pretty damn happy with it. We have a beauty of a system of rewarding people who post consistent quality and general awesomeness with the provision of a hero tag or even a superhero one for those of especially special note.

 

And it's something to aspire to; something to work towards and aim for.

 

It can, and should, be a reminder that good posting is rewarded. Your posts do get noticed, even if you never dreamed that anyone was looking.

 

But having that tag comes with a price. It's a responsibility. Right or wrong, people look to our heroes and superheroes for that same quality, that same awesomeness, that got them the tag in the first place. It is not a prize, but an earned title of respect.

 

It seems sensible then, that these same tags should be able to be lost as well as earned.

 

So, in the future, in the cases of very large infractions of the FAQ or continuing actions against the community spirit, instead of banning a hero or superhero, we will instead remove that title.

 

The mods and I have discussed this for some time - since the start of the year. We hope that we never ever have to make the decision; but we also know that we need to safeguard the quality of content and discussion that takes place on these forums - as many of you have asked that we do. This is part of our response to the issue.

 

Have a nice day.

 

ETA: Further clarification in the below posts:

http://forums.atomicmpc.com.au/index.php?s...st&p=318689

http://forums.atomicmpc.com.au/index.php?s...st&p=318730

 

Original post not edited to maintain clarity.

Edited by hawkeye

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Sounds fair enough to me I think it is a good thing that we have to have a certain code of conduct . But one question, will said hero/superhero lose his/her title for a short time, or will it only be restored after the powers that be decide they have cleaned up their act enough.

 

Or will they be back to square one which would mean it could take years to be earned again ?

 

EDIT:After thought.

Edited by bowiee

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Can you give any examples of the types of large infractions of the FAQ, or the continuing actions against the community spirit, David?

 

The only Hero I seem to recall losing it was 'tatocake. And I think that was moreso because he was banned.

 

 

(I find it amusing that a person can now escape being banned, 'just because they're a Hero')

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(I find it amusing that a person can now escape being banned, 'just because they're a Hero')

I would assume that the ban hammer would follow swiftly if the person in question did not settle down. ;)

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Nich, I assume when you start receiving warnings you'll know what "large infractions" are. :)

 

Given the timing of this thread, one would assume that some have been pushing the boundaries causing those with ban buttons to think more deeply about it.

 

I personally think ranks should go tubbie bye bye. I don't think a rank purely based on WOYM posts is really worth that much ;) I have no problem with people being recognised for contribution, but not based purely on quantity. This brings us to the ranks that aren't volume based, Hero & Super Hero. One way to solve this is to make these ranks time based.

 

If you've been an awesome contributor, for a year you get the tag of Hero or Super Hero. After that it's back to the mob with you (and me!). Now some may see this as somewhat harsh. So, how can we permanently recognise sustained contribution? Well, lets say a person gets the nod for Hero or Super Hero. After their 12 months of having that rank, it's replaced with a little glowing green circle below their avatar - one for each year they have been a Hero or Super Hero. Sort of like the "kills" marked below a fighter cockpit.

 

You could also throw in a different symbol for a POTM winner.

 

So, you remove all volume based ranks, limit current Heros and Super Heros to 12 months. At the end of 12 months they get an Atomic Green "O" below their avatar, one for every time they have been Heroed. Every POTM winner gets a glowing green quill below their avatar.

 

simple :)

 

EDIT : Ooooh! You could also randomly throw in silly rank days, just like the old times :D

Edited by Mac Dude

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So...is this like a get out of gaol free card?

 

If I say committed a bannable offence...would my Herodom be stripped from me instead of a banning? Then, were I to commit a second bannable offence, I THEN get the heave-ho?

 

And does a superhero get TWO chances? ie. stripped to Hero, then banned?

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So...is this like a get out of gaol free card?

 

If I say committed a bannable offence...would my Herodom be stripped from me instead of a banning? Then, were I to commit a second bannable offence, I THEN get the heave-ho?

This wording would suggest that's the case :

 

So, in the future, in the cases of very large infractions of the FAQ or continuing actions against the community spirit, instead of banning a hero or superhero, we will instead remove that title.

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So, in the future, in the cases of very large infractions of the FAQ or continuing actions against the community spirit, instead of banning a hero or superhero, we will instead remove that title.

Hrm, I think it should be accompanied with a suspension/ban. I would imagine that not doing so would merely invite a blasé attitude from those who are stripped of the title.

 

Rob.

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So, in the future, in the cases of very large infractions of the FAQ or continuing actions against the community spirit, instead of banning a hero or superhero, we will instead remove that title.

Hrm, I think it should be accompanied with a suspension/ban. I would imagine that not doing so would merely invite a blasé attitude from those who are stripped of the title.

 

Rob.

 

 

Hmmm...so I can't tell index what I really think and get away with it? Damn.

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@ David: great idea!

 

I've been bemused at some of the statements made to me by so-called Heroes, both to me when I was a n00b, and to other n00bs. When someone called a 'Hero' does something rude to a n00b, it really 'makes a statement' about what Atomic values and appreciates, and probably sets the wrong tone for others.

 

I think some ongoing accountability for behaviour is a great initiative.

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I also agree with MacDude's point that postcount based ranks is counteproductive in that they're an incentive to post lots of pointless things.

 

Particularly when you allow huge Twitter threads like What's on Your Mind which contains lots of one line existential diarrhea.

 

And also when the moderating policy is that I should keep posting new posts, instead of editing to combine responses ;) LOL

Edited by just_some_guy

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I also agree with MacDude's point that postcount based ranks is counteproductive in that they're an incentive to post lots of pointless things.

Incorrect. No one gives a damn about post count in today's Atomic.

 

It had long been noted that Atomic cared too much about post count, and now that we finally seem to be over it please don't go about making it an issue again :P

 

Rob.

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So, in the future, in the cases of very large infractions of the FAQ or continuing actions against the community spirit, instead of banning a hero or superhero, we will instead remove that title.

Hrm, I think it should be accompanied with a suspension/ban. I would imagine that not doing so would merely invite a blasé attitude from those who are stripped of the title.

 

Rob.

 

I agree. If a Hero or Super Hero does something that is bannable, ban them/me. One would assume that they have been warned, or done something so over the top that it would have, should have, anyone banned.

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Incorrect. No one gives a damn about post count in today's Atomic.

 

It had long been noted that Atomic cared too much about post count, and now that we finally seem to be over it please don't go about making it an issue again :P

 

Rob.

If it's incorrect, then we can get rid of them without a fuss. If it is correct, we SHOULD get rid of them.

 

So the answer is simple.

 

Though I don't support your assumption, the answer is the same :)

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I agree with Mac_ Dudes suggestion about time ranks, but don't think they should replace the Hero and SuperHero ranks. Rather, they should replace the quantity ranks, giving people no incentive to post to increase their rank.

 

What I would like to see, since this is a technical forum, is a rank reflecting people who are especially proficient with technical knowledge, or helping users with technical knowledge. The Hero tags cover quality in general, but just as there is a superhero tag to recognise specialised contributions of higher quality, so too could there be one to recognise technical brilliance among other things.

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Incorrect. No one gives a damn about post count in today's Atomic.

If that's the csae, why are there still ranks then?

 

now that we finally seem to be over it please don't go about making it an issue again :P

I was responding to MacDude's comment. If I want to make an issue of it, you'll know.

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Incorrect. No one gives a damn about post count in today's Atomic.

 

It had long been noted that Atomic cared too much about post count, and now that we finally seem to be over it please don't go about making it an issue again :P

 

Rob.

If it's incorrect, then we can get rid of them without a fuss. If it is correct, we SHOULD get rid of them.

 

So the answer is simple.

 

Though I don't support your assumption, the answer is the same :)

 

No one cares much about them at all. While they do offer some insight into ones participation in Atomic, everyone understand that not that much at all can be read into them. It's not uncommon for me to look at someone's post count, as I imagine other people do too, but when's the last time you've ever heard them brought up?

 

Even rank spam is on the major decrease these days, with only the larger-milestones attracting so much as a mention, and those threads normally turn into discussions about Atomic itself rather than actually having anything to do with the postcount.

 

Postcounts display a large amount of arbitrary-ness, but they still aren't absolutely arbitrary. And these days Atomic understands just how arbitrary postcounts are, and hence, they aren't really an issue any more. (Well, that is, they aren't an issue until people come in complaining of them being an issue :P)

 

Rob.

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I got my tag for being a "boat rocker" and "dangerous".

 

Will that be taken into account when deciding if i'm pushing the boundaries? :)

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In case it assists the discussion...

 

When I first lurked Atomic in around October last year, I remember I did notice the high-faluting titles like 'God' and 'Hero' and 'SuperHero' and "Self-Important Wannabe'*

 

I didn't know at the time why those people were called those things, but figured it must be some reason to do with knowledge, given this is a tech site.

 

That's why it made an impact on my impressions of Atomic in general, when I saw some of those people with those titles 'behaving badly', being rude, and whatever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

* I may be misremembering that last one ;)

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