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I've got to say I think it's awesome that you've both gone on this long, without the thread degenerating into a general flame war. Heated and passionate discussion is great.

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Ehhh, sorry to bring this up again, but I thought this was an interesting point.

 

Here is an interesting exploit. This particular exploit, is part of what has been referred to as Nine-ball. It has compromised a great many sites, and even more users.

 

The exploits are not detected by AV's, much less prevented. In this case, a secure setup and good practices mitigates the risk, and it is certainly a situation where the presence of an AV does not increase security, and for any number of reasons may reduce the overall security(including ways such as a false sense of security).

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