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Waltish: You know what you're saying right there is actually true about a lot of things, we saw that in America for people who spoke out against the war, they were automatically labelled as "TERRORIST SUPPORTERS" and other such nonsense.

 

However although your argument is valid, I really don't think it's valid in this thread, or at least not as much as you're making out.

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If nothing else, this thread is reinforcing my perception of some, and modifying it of others, who i thought better of. The second is slightly annoying.

 

So many seem determined to either push their point, or drag one out of others like pulling out fingernails, rather than actually move on with the topic. So many pages wasted on needless prick-waving.

Why do you keep posting?

 

You haven't actually added anything to the debate at all. You've just taken jabs at random people. Oh, this person is no good. Oh, this person's behaviour is so typical.

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I haven't read this entire topic, only just stumbled across it now. My opinion though is that whilst a very small minority of these crimes are racially charged the majority of them are simply because indians make easy targets.

If your a drug addict, hobo, thug, etc. Are you going to pick on the group of;

 

The Asians who could know martial arts or be carrying weapons

The Aussies who have probably been brawling amongst themselves for most of their life and probably have $50 between 5 of them.

Or The indians who always seem to be carrying laptops, smartphones, etc and never seem even the slightest bit intimidating.

 

As a immigrant friend from work put it whilst we were discussing it, its about the right of initiation. He expected it when he came to this country, until you learn to harden the fuck up and adapt you will be targeted regardless of your race, religion or whatever.

 

Im no racist but believe that if they don't like it they can fuck off home and the government shouldn't spend a moments thought on it. We are having enough trouble supporting our own citizens let alone spending millions of dollars supporting the ungrateful citizens of another country or 10.

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I haven't read this entire topic, only just stumbled across it now. My opinion though is that whilst a very small minority of these crimes are racially charged the majority of them are simply because indians make easy targets.

If your a drug addict, hobo, thug, etc. Are you going to pick on the group of;

 

The Asians who could know martial arts or be carrying weapons

The Aussies who have probably been brawling amongst themselves for most of their life and probably have $50 between 5 of them.

Or The indians who always seem to be carrying laptops, smartphones, etc and never seem even the slightest bit intimidating.

 

As a immigrant friend from work put it whilst we were discussing it, its about the right of initiation. He expected it when he came to this country, until you learn to harden the fuck up and adapt you will be targeted regardless of your race, religion or whatever.

 

Im no racist but believe that if they don't like it they can fuck off home and the government shouldn't spend a moments thought on it. We are having enough trouble supporting our own citizens let alone spending millions of dollars supporting the ungrateful citizens of another country or 10.

If they don't like getting 'initiated' with violence they should leave?

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I think they're just in shock that they didn't get the compassionate, Politically Correct response that they'd anticipate from a female.

 

What they got instead was a taste of the real opinion of your typical majority Australian instead of the usual socialist/student type attitudes that seem to be taking over this place.

 

Wake up and smell the coffee people - the real world opinion out there in no way reflects what the tea party in this place is trying to convey.

Who says it should though? My opinions are based on my own reasoning, not following some herd.

 

Commies, uberconservatives, you're all equally lulzy to me! :P

 

To be honest, tho, I think the majority of Australia really don't give much of a fuck one way or the other. They've got other priorities.

In the (paraphrased) words of Ben Elton, 'If I wake up in the morning to find a cockaroach in my butter, that's way more important to me than anything the government would do in the whole year.'

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I haven't read this entire topic, only just stumbled across it now. My opinion though is that whilst a very small minority of these crimes are racially charged the majority of them are simply because indians make easy targets.

If your a drug addict, hobo, thug, etc. Are you going to pick on the group of;

 

The Asians who could know martial arts or be carrying weapons

The Aussies who have probably been brawling amongst themselves for most of their life and probably have $50 between 5 of them.

Or The indians who always seem to be carrying laptops, smartphones, etc and never seem even the slightest bit intimidating.

 

As a immigrant friend from work put it whilst we were discussing it, its about the right of initiation. He expected it when he came to this country, until you learn to harden the fuck up and adapt you will be targeted regardless of your race, religion or whatever.

 

Im no racist but believe that if they don't like it they can fuck off home and the government shouldn't spend a moments thought on it. We are having enough trouble supporting our own citizens let alone spending millions of dollars supporting the ungrateful citizens of another country or 10.

If they don't like getting 'initiated' with violence they should leave?

 

 

It happened to my mothers family when they came here, it has happened not only here but everywhere in the world since time began. Natural selection will leave indians behind if they don't harden up. I honestly don't know how their race has survived this long being such whimps, Surely some ancient civilization could have just taken over them without batting an eyelid. To be perfectly honest, from what I have seen I am not a fan of indian/sri lankan/etc work ethics and mannerisms. For example, I work in the security industry and when I organise an agency guard for our site 90% of the time they are useless and have literally been seen running from the smallest incidents, sleeping on the job & hiding when the shit hits the fan. 90% of the guards we get from the agency are also indian/sri lankan/etc. This is not opinion it is from my factual observations.

 

The europeans, lebanese, asians, etc, etc have all happily migrated here by combining parts of their culture with ours, sure they have all done well with this but the majority have. They stuck to what they know and were good at and blended in to society well by offering something to the country.

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What disappointed me most about this thread is the way, some folks on the we must have more migrants side of the argument, thought it necessary to label any posters that made any comments that disagreed with even a little part of their extreme position as racist or xenophobic.

That's terrible. Who did that?

 

It just proves to me that agenda driven arsehats believe they can do whatever they want and or whatever takes to see their ("Righteous") agenda pushed forward.

Which agenda are you talking about, and who's pushing it?

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It happened to my mothers family when they came here, it has happened not only here but everywhere in the world since time began. Natural selection will leave indians behind if they don't harden up. I honestly don't know how their race has survived this long being such whimps, Surely some ancient civilization could have just taken over them without batting an eyelid. To be perfectly honest, from what I have seen I am not a fan of indian/sri lankan/etc work ethics and mannerisms. For example, I work in the security industry and when I organise an agency guard for our site 90% of the time they are useless and have literally been seen running from the smallest incidents, sleeping on the job & hiding when the shit hits the fan. 90% of the guards we get from the agency are also indian/sri lankan/etc. This is not opinion it is from my factual observations.

 

The europeans, lebanese, asians, etc, etc have all happily migrated here by combining parts of their culture with ours, sure they have all done well with this but the majority have. They stuck to what they know and were good at and blended in to society well by offering something to the country.

Okay, first up. Don't invoke natural selection, when it's obvious you have NFI what it's about, and how it might pertain. Just don't. Maybe you want to dance around pretending you know something about it and I'm wrong, thats your prerogative.

 

Secondly, some of the best security guards I've worked with have been Sri Lankan. I'm not saying they are better than anyone else, but probably they are no worse, and most likely it's just sampling error. The Sri Lankan security guards I've worked with have been fitter, more tactful, and quicker at stopping incidents than many of their co-workers. Personally I don't think it's because they are Sri Lankan, just that they are individuals better suited to being a good security guard in those cases.

 

Also, don't use the term 'factual observation'. It's a stupid tautology, unless you are suggesting that every time you are talking about a direct observation without the factual prefix, it's fictional.

 

There are plenty of people from all cultures that haven't blended in Australia, and plenty of indians/sri lankans that have. It's all down to your experience, and most likely what you notice. Sampling error is a bitch.

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Sampling error is a bitch.

Sexist.

 

You again, shadowing my footsteps with your pithy and amusing one-liners!

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It happened to my mothers family when they came here, it has happened not only here but everywhere in the world since time began. Natural selection will leave indians behind if they don't harden up. I honestly don't know how their race has survived this long being such whimps, Surely some ancient civilization could have just taken over them without batting an eyelid. To be perfectly honest, from what I have seen I am not a fan of indian/sri lankan/etc work ethics and mannerisms. For example, I work in the security industry and when I organise an agency guard for our site 90% of the time they are useless and have literally been seen running from the smallest incidents, sleeping on the job & hiding when the shit hits the fan. 90% of the guards we get from the agency are also indian/sri lankan/etc. This is not opinion it is from my factual observations.

 

The europeans, lebanese, asians, etc, etc have all happily migrated here by combining parts of their culture with ours, sure they have all done well with this but the majority have. They stuck to what they know and were good at and blended in to society well by offering something to the country.

Okay, first up. Don't invoke natural selection, when it's obvious you have NFI what it's about, and how it might pertain. Just don't. Maybe you want to dance around pretending you know something about it and I'm wrong, thats your prerogative.

 

Secondly, some of the best security guards I've worked with have been Sri Lankan. I'm not saying they are better than anyone else, but probably they are no worse, and most likely it's just sampling error. The Sri Lankan security guards I've worked with have been fitter, more tactful, and quicker at stopping incidents than many of their co-workers. Personally I don't think it's because they are Sri Lankan, just that they are individuals better suited to being a good security guard in those cases.

 

Also, don't use the term 'factual observation'. It's a stupid tautology, unless you are suggesting that every time you are talking about a direct observation without the factual prefix, it's fictional.

 

There are plenty of people from all cultures that haven't blended in Australia, and plenty of indians/sri lankans that have. It's all down to your experience, and most likely what you notice. Sampling error is a bitch.

 

It's good you responded to that.

 

All those winks and nods at racial science and xenophobic corruptions of Darwinian evolution almost made me say something unacceptable.

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Sampling error is a bitch.

Sexist.

 

You again, shadowing my footsteps with your pithy and amusing one-liners!

 

I had to fight for the job too. Do you know how many Atomicans had lined up to shadow your footsteps?? Big buggers, some of them.

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What a great start to the thread and horrible near end... Many hypocrites (possibly myself included by posting this) who post nothing more than "xxxxx added nothing to this thread so STFU bitch". hmmm..

 

ANYWAYS.. Back on topic.

 

It's interesting that it's "Curry Bashing". Do you know the only other type of bashing I've heard of? "Skippy Bashing". Yup.. Aussies getting targetted in Australia. OMG WTF!! AUSSIES GO HOME! Wait a minute...

 

This is called "idiots out there". They exist. Every culture/country. The trick is to silence them before they cause too much issue. This is where Australia has failed. We need to do something about it.

 

Have no idea how to do it. My only suggestion is to fine everyone with a Southern Cross tattoo and ban it from being used in Tattoo shops.. (No reason other than I hate that bloody tattoo. It's wanky. But it *MIGHT* work)

 

Actually, seriously. How about this... If you see something, report it. It's amazing how many people see a crime and do nothing because "It's not my problem". Most police intelligence comes from the community. If the community fails the police, the police fail the community.

 

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I honestly don't know how their race has survived this long being such whimps, Surely some ancient civilization could have just taken over them without batting an eyelid.

Alexander gave it a fair old whack, as did the Brits a while ago. Who's running India now? Yep, Indians.

 

 

For example, I work in the security industry and when I organise an agency guard for our site 90% of the time they are useless and have literally been seen running from the smallest incidents, sleeping on the job & hiding when the shit hits the fan. 90% of the guards we get from the agency are also indian/sri lankan/etc. This is not opinion it is from my factual observations.

Yeah, but are they the same 90%? And then that begs the question. If a security guard is caught sleeping on the job, why the fuck is he still working for you?

 

FTR, I spent the best part of 15 years in the industry.

 

 

Have no idea how to do it. My only suggestion is to fine everyone with a Southern Cross tattoo and ban it from being used in Tattoo shops.. (No reason other than I hate that bloody tattoo. It's wanky. But it *MIGHT* work)

If that rule ever came into force, I'd get one just because. What are you gonna do, strip search every person in the country looking for a tattoo? After WWII two, the allies executed people who had a certain tattoo, some of them were innocent.

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I honestly don't know how their race has survived this long being such whimps, Surely some ancient civilization could have just taken over them without batting an eyelid.

Alexander gave it a fair old whack, as did the Brits a while ago. Who's running India now? Yep, Indians.

 

You're contradicting his factual observations with your opinions.

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If nothing else, this thread is reinforcing my perception of some, and modifying it of others, who i thought better of. The second is slightly annoying.

 

So many seem determined to either push their point, or drag one out of others like pulling out fingernails, rather than actually move on with the topic. So many pages wasted on needless prick-waving.

Why do you keep posting?

 

You haven't actually added anything to the debate at all. You've just taken jabs at random people. Oh, this person is no good. Oh, this person's behaviour is so typical.

 

 

I post because I can. I'm reading this and following along, and commenting on how I see things. Last time I checked, that was allowed. Also, bullshit am I "taking jabs at random people". You don't like what i have to say? Tough shit. I don't like a lot of the attitude being displayed in this thread. And i'm commenting on that. I don't have to do anything else. You want more? Too bad, i say what i think, and not my prob if you don't like the content. Your moral high-horse must chafe something bad.

 

 

As for this "debate", the last few pages has consisted primarily of attempting to tar people with a certain brush, and demand they submit to questioning. This isn't Nazi Germany. You don't get to demand anyhting. You ask. And if they choose not to accommodate you further, you get over your own self-importance and move on. You know, with the "debate".

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I post because I can. I'm reading this and following along, and commenting on how I see things. Last time I checked, that was allowed. Also, bullshit am I "taking jabs at random people". You don't like what i have to say? Tough shit. I don't like a lot of the attitude being displayed in this thread. And i'm commenting on that. I don't have to do anything else. You want more? Too bad, i say what i think, and not my prob if you don't like the content. Your moral high-horse must chafe something bad.

Yes, you can say what you think of others. And Sap can say what he thinks. And then you can say what you think about what he think... and so forth. It starts to go around in circles pretty quickly though. Not criticising you here, mind, just pointing out that it's probably not worth taking that particular line of assertion any further than it has been.

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I think some of the problem is that some folks have a definite side/highly polarised position, and they don't get that that some other folks aren't on one side or the other they don't see it from the " If your not with me your against me" point of view.

 

These non aligned people tend to comment on individual aspect of the subject on a per issue basis rather than aligning with one extreme position or the other .

What disappointed me most about this thread is the way, some folks on the we must have more migrants side of the argument, thought it necessary to label any posters that made any comments that disagreed with even a little part of their extreme position as racist or xenophobic.

 

It was also disappointing that folks whom didn't have a fully mapped out position were badgered in a condescending manner and belittled for not articulating a fully mapped out position.

Then they were accused of having opinions that they dared not speak in public ... casting those sorts of aspersions was a pretty fucken low act.

It just proves to me that agenda driven arsehats believe they can do whatever they want and or whatever takes to see their ("Righteous") agenda pushed forward.

 

Yes there are some folks in this thread that managed to change my perception of them {:|

I know what you mean. Nothing is more upsetting than when you have a nice, smug, self congratulatory, ocker circle jerk going and some PC smartarse like The Fuzz steps in and unfairly asks that people think about their positions. Prejudices are for airing in a veiled way, not for examining.

 

It's beyond the pale.

Edited by hlass

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I honestly don't know how their race has survived this long being such whimps, Surely some ancient civilization could have just taken over them without batting an eyelid.

Alexander gave it a fair old whack, as did the Brits a while ago. Who's running India now? Yep, Indians.

During the Sikh Wars and the Indian Mutiny, Indians proved themselves to be damned resilient. At the time the Sikhs in particular could have been arguably the best soldiers on Earth. The Sikhs lost the war precisely because their culture was ancient. Their royal leadership was decadent and weak, and they actively betrayed the army because they were afraid of them. The Indian mutineers lost the rebellion because they were more superstitious than the Brits - so they were less scientific about their armament and training, and therefore less efficient. But they put in a damned good show for a while.

 

Also, there's this guy:

 

Yogendra Singh Yadav

 

http://www.cracked.com/article_17019_5-rea...like-pussy.html

 

Edit: No, NOT spelling, GRAMMAR!

Edited by Kothos

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I think some of the problem is that some folks have a definite side/highly polarised position, and they don't get that that some other folks aren't on one side or the other they don't see it from the " If your not with me your against me" point of view.

 

These non aligned people tend to comment on individual aspect of the subject on a per issue basis rather than aligning with one extreme position or the other .

What disappointed me most about this thread is the way, some folks on the we must have more migrants side of the argument, thought it necessary to label any posters that made any comments that disagreed with even a little part of their extreme position as racist or xenophobic.

 

It was also disappointing that folks whom didn't have a fully mapped out position were badgered in a condescending manner and belittled for not articulating a fully mapped out position.

Then they were accused of having opinions that they dared not speak in public ... casting those sorts of aspersions was a pretty fucken low act.

It just proves to me that agenda driven arsehats believe they can do whatever they want and or whatever takes to see their ("Righteous") agenda pushed forward.

 

Yes there are some folks in this thread that managed to change my perception of them {:|

I know what you mean. Nothing is more upsetting than when you have a nice, smug, self congratulatory, ocker circle jerk going and some PC smartarse like The Fuzz steps in and unfairly asks that people think about their positions. Predjuces are for airing in a veiled way, not for examining.

 

It's beyond the pale.

 

 

 

 

Like I said some folks don't have a a well defined position unlike the extremists at either end of the the issues spectrum , they may express a view on a particular aspect that seems to be on one side then at another time the other.

 

So when the "PCsmartarses" (as you call them) in their righteous frenzy demand these not fully agended up folk to defined their position its not possible to do , so as it was suggested they should see what the person has already said.

But sadly as is often the case with righteous zealot this is insufficient for them and how dare the heretics defy the inquisition.

 

And in the true spirit of "If your not 100% with me your against me" that the extremists have, they feel they have the right to cast aspersions on the said non-extremists claiming their position must have views so foul they dare not share them ... when the simple truth is the member has already shared what thoughts they have had on the subject so far.

 

Unlike the extremists a lot of ordinary folk have not dedicated a lot of time dwelling on the matter and are considering what is being discussed as the point are raised in the thread.

 

And no member here has to respond/obey/submit to folks that belittle and besmirch them .

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